Daniel Storm Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Just now, Rosey Song said: Uhhhhhhh, proof of what accusation? You realize the logs are literally on the wiki, yeah? The logs where Sphinx says they're going to hit Chaos, and that they are "in talks with T$-NPO where they will hit KETOG"? Those logs? The ones that only show the BK-TCW position and contain no evidence that NPO-T$ actually colluded with BK-TCW, and developed a plan for war? That's all you've got? Oh jeepers I'm sorry, with all the certainty being thrown around that there was a concrete joint plan by BK-TCW&NPO-T$ I assumed there must be incontrovertible evidence of this plan somewhere, surely you all wouldn't act like you were absolutely certain of this joint plan when your only evidence is a statement from one party that they intended to approach the other. Now that T$ is on your side it shouldn't be that hard to dig up such a plan so what's the delay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, Pop said: The logs where Sphinx says they're going to hit Chaos, and that they are "in talks with T$-NPO where they will hit KETOG"? Those logs? The ones that only show the BK-TCW position and contain no evidence that NPO-T$ actually colluded with BK-TCW, and developed a plan for war? That's all you've got? Oh jeepers I'm sorry, with all the certainty being thrown around that there was a concrete joint plan by BK-TCW&NPO-T$ I assumed there must be incontrovertible evidence of this plan somewhere, surely you all wouldn't act like you were absolutely certain of this joint plan when your only evidence is a statement from one party that they intended to approach the other. Now that T$ is on your side it shouldn't be that hard to dig up such a plan so what's the delay? I don’t think you’ve realised I was the head FA person for HS during those times, and 99% of the logs between tS and NPO, I would have seen. That’s not even including all the messages between ourselves (Revan and myself) and NPO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Storm Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Cypher said: I don’t think you’ve realised I was the head FA person for HS during those times, and 99% of the logs between tS and NPO, I would have seen. That’s not even including all the messages between ourselves (Revan and myself) and NPO. So you're just the man I'm looking for! ? I've been waiting to see the proof of collaboration from BK-TCW & NPO-T$ for months, not these weakass statements of individual intent. Bring out the goods my man, was there a solidified agreement? a joint statement of intent? a planning channel? maybe even a preliminary target sheet? Show me what you've got! There has to be something for everyone to be so damn certain of this collaborative plan. Edited November 22, 2019 by Pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smith Posted November 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2019 NPO sure is quick to respond to things that can change the topic but not the actual content of Partisan's thread. Will be 48 hours without a real response soon 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Storm Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Smith said: NPO sure is quick to respond to things that can change the topic but not the actual content of Partisan's thread. Will be 48 hours without a real response soon I'm just a regular guy looking for some juice, sorry to disappoint you by not giving a detailed response about a peace process I have no involvement in and know nothing about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smith Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Pop said: I'm just a regular guy looking for some juice, sorry to disappoint you by not giving a detailed response about a peace process I have no involvement in and know nothing about ? No worries! Feel free to forward the thread to your leadership! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, Smith said: No worries! Feel free to forward the thread to your leadership! underlordgc: underlordgc: underlordgc: underlordgc: Also, let me reiterate that st6 and skae are the official points of contact for our coalition, please refrain from attempting to go around them 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keegoz Posted November 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2019 58 minutes ago, Pop said: The logs where Sphinx says they're going to hit Chaos, and that they are "in talks with T$-NPO where they will hit KETOG"? Those logs? The ones that only show the BK-TCW position and contain no evidence that NPO-T$ actually colluded with BK-TCW, and developed a plan for war? That's all you've got? Oh jeepers I'm sorry, with all the certainty being thrown around that there was a concrete joint plan by BK-TCW&NPO-T$ I assumed there must be incontrovertible evidence of this plan somewhere, surely you all wouldn't act like you were absolutely certain of this joint plan when your only evidence is a statement from one party that they intended to approach the other. Now that T$ is on your side it shouldn't be that hard to dig up such a plan so what's the delay? It's almost like because we doubted that the NPO/t$ talks actually developed we only hit BK and tCW... You then wormed your way into this war with a cb that still has not been backed up. 1 14 [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Storm Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, Keegoz said: It's almost like because we doubted that the NPO/t$ talks actually developed we only hit BK and tCW... Yeah that's what I figured, but there have been a lot of comments like Cypher's asserting the certainty that there was some agreement reached between BK-TCW and NPO-T$ which confuses me since that seems like a huge smoking gun if they have proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 17 hours ago, Prefonteen said: I am Partisan, not pre. Furthermore, I am not leaking, I am disclosing matters pertaining the alliance I lead and the coalition I (along with others) represent. You're taking private logs and posting them publicly. That's leaking. 17 hours ago, Prefonteen said: You are not the first coalition B official, negotiator or member threatening our negotiators with repercussions if we disclose the misconduct of your negotiators. I will, as I have done in the past, state once again that The $yndicate will not allow coalition B to dictate the degree of transparency it pursues in its dealings. If you don't want to look like shit, don't act like shit. The conditions are the discussions are not public. That's why you haven't been posting them before and the previous attempts by CoA to conduct them openly have failed. tS is welcome to remain in a state of war if they so choose and lacks an ability to 'allow' CoB to do or not do anything. 16 hours ago, Smith said: It really says a lot that this thread has been up for more than 24 hours and so far nobody is disputing the proof of Coalition B's stalling, instead they are only making threats because the evidence was provided. We're still not going to do public stuff just because Pre leaked private logs. The condition of this being done in private remains. 12 hours ago, Thalmor said: What are you going to do about it? Stall peace talks? IDK. End them? If CoA is unwilling to accept how post-war negotiations work there's not much for CoB to do. These are done privately and no matter what Pre may think that hasn't changed since he violated it. 1 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prefonteen Posted November 22, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pop said: Great point! I'm sure your representatives in the negotiation will finally provide their proof of that accusation in order to secure more favorable terms! Right? 2 hours ago, Pop said: The logs where Sphinx says they're going to hit Chaos, and that they are "in talks with T$-NPO where they will hit KETOG"? Those logs? The ones that only show the BK-TCW position and contain no evidence that NPO-T$ actually colluded with BK-TCW, and developed a plan for war? That's all you've got? Oh jeepers I'm sorry, with all the certainty being thrown around that there was a concrete joint plan by BK-TCW&NPO-T$ I assumed there must be incontrovertible evidence of this plan somewhere, surely you all wouldn't act like you were absolutely certain of this joint plan when your only evidence is a statement from one party that they intended to approach the other. Now that T$ is on your side it shouldn't be that hard to dig up such a plan so what's the delay? I'm happy to provide additional logs supporting all claims with regards to BK-tCW planning to hit TKR. These logs also directly contradict party lines which BK et al have parroted for months on end. They do not support collusion between at least the $yndicate and BK et al. I can not speak as to NPO's communications as I am not privy. 14 minutes ago, ComradeMilton said: You're taking private logs and posting them publicly. That's leaking. The conditions are the discussions are not public. That's why you haven't been posting them before and the previous attempts by CoA to conduct them openly have failed. tS is welcome to remain in a state of war if they so choose and lacks an ability to 'allow' CoB to do or not do anything. We're still not going to do public stuff just because Pre leaked private logs. The condition of this being done in private remains. IDK. End them? If CoA is unwilling to accept how post-war negotiations work there's not much for CoB to do. These are done privately and no matter what Pre may think that hasn't changed since he violated it. Again: no agreement was made regarding the confidentiality of peace discussions. t$ has been open about its intent to be transparent about the peace process from the get-go. No confidentiality was breeched as no confidentiality clause/agreement existed. Moreover, when you refuse private inquiries (relating to t$) and directly lie about ongoings in private channels on multiple occasions in an attempt to frame your counterparts as being the culprit of the stagnation of a process you hav deliberately frustrated, you give them no incentive to further submit to your demands. I'm happy to continue indulging your mental gymnastics... but it would be sort of nice if y'all could comment on the actual content of this topic, rather than trying to shift the topic to "Buhuuu parti leak parti bad". Edited November 22, 2019 by Prefonteen 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I’m confused on who wants reps. either it’s BK, who has no right because of the valid CB of you planning to fight them(it’s over, just admit it and take the FA hit for lying about it) or it’s NPO, who attacked other alliances first....which means they would’ve attacked and then demanded reps. but also have no rights to reps. Interesting, to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Raphael Posted November 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) This is where I take a Jeffersonian approach to PnW. If you're unhappy with how your coalition is handling peace negotiations: take a separate peace and leave. If you're unhappy with how your alliance is responding to peace negotiations: Quietly bow out and leave. This is a place for nations to conduct their business and alliances are a facilitator of that business. They are not the states themselves. Obligations only stretch so far before your morality and destiny are not your own. Edited November 22, 2019 by Bartholomew Roberts 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Prefonteen said: No confidentiality was breeched as no confidentiality clause/agreement existed. There has never been such an agreement it's just how it's done. You know what you did even if you want to pretend otherwise. You leaked. 5 minutes ago, Prefonteen said: Moreover, when you refuse private inquiries (relating to t$) and directly lie about ongoings in private channels on multiple occasions in an attempt to frame your counterparts as being the culprit of the stagnation of a process you hav deliberately frustrated, you give them no incentive to further submit to your demands. CoA is the culprit. Just now, Kastor said: I’m confused on who wants reps. CoB won and has a right to provide demands that will be completed in exchange for peace. The same goes for tS, though theirs is separate. This is public so I can't really say who wants what. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Welp, if CoB wants to push reps, they can. However, its a really dumb idea. My advice: Don't be prisoners of the moment and sore winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ripper Posted November 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kastor said: Welp, if CoB wants to push reps, they can. However, its a really dumb idea. My advice: Don't be prisoners of the moment and sore winners. They are neither. They are just broke. Edited November 22, 2019 by Ripper 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalev60 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 3 or what ever months old plan, which never materialized to hit someone is valid CB? that´s news to me, on top of permawar it seems we have perma CBs too now, I guess TCW can now capitalize on everyone that rolled or planned to roll GPA in the past... which is probably every important AA still around from that time... Edited November 22, 2019 by kalev60 1 Charlie Chaplin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aesir Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, kalev60 said: 3 or what ever months old plan, which never materialized to hit someone is valid CB? that´s news to me, on top of permawar it seems we have perma CBs too now, I guess TCW can now capitalize on everyone that rolled or planned to roll GPA in the past... which is probably every important AA still around from that time... Sounds like a valid plan. Art by Faroreswind159 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prefonteen Posted November 22, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, kalev60 said: 3 or what ever months old plan, which never materialized to hit someone is valid CB? that´s news to me, on top of permawar it seems we have perma CBs too now, I guess TCW can now capitalize on everyone that rolled or planned to roll GPA in the past... which is probably every important AA still around from that time... That does it. I'll be posting a new thread to cover this lie tonight. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, kalev60 said: 3 or what ever months old plan, which never materialized to hit someone is valid CB? The Commonwealth hit KT and TGH because Horse told his milcom deputy said TKR would've been a natural target for us in the political climate and circumstances at that time. Such statements were made months before they were leaked as well. You're throwing stones in a glass house with this argument. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyster Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 hour ago, ComradeMilton said: IDK. End them? If CoA is unwilling to accept how post-war negotiations work there's not much for CoB to do. These are done privately and no matter what Pre may think that hasn't changed since he violated it. 1 hour ago, ComradeMilton said: CoA is the culprit. Mate I hope you reliese there's an alliance named Church of Atom who's commonly refered to as CoA. https://politicsandwar.com/alliance/id=4729 Could you please stop confusing us about how evil Church of Atom is and get a better acronym 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smith Posted November 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, ComradeMilton said: We're still not going to do public stuff just because Pre leaked private logs. The condition of this being done in private remains. Your coalition leadership has previously had no problem discussing who was stalling the negotiations and blaming us for it. This has happened in multiple threads throughout the OWF. Here is such an example: It is only now that those claims have been proven to be false that your coalition has stopped posting and started complaining about us providing evidence for your side's lies and gaslighting. Edited November 22, 2019 by Smith 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexio15 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 38 minutes ago, kalev60 said: 3 or what ever months old plan, which never materialized to hit someone is valid CB? that´s news to me, on top of permawar it seems we have perma CBs too now, I guess TCW can now capitalize on everyone that rolled or planned to roll GPA in the past... which is probably every important AA still around from that time... Not being funny but NPO entered on a 8 month old CB pertaining to logs from Spinx about TKR/TCW and IQ. So be careful about throwing stones while in a glass house 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Karl VII Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) hmmmmm.... If that's the case I have to rethink my persona. Like maybe get an eyepatch or smth. Edit: Yes an eyepatch it is Edited November 22, 2019 by Karl VII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namukara Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 4 hours ago, ComradeMilton said: You're taking private logs and posting them publicly. That's leaking. The conditions are the discussions are not public. That's why you haven't been posting them before and the previous attempts by CoA to conduct them openly have failed. tS is welcome to remain in a state of war if they so choose and lacks an ability to 'allow' CoB to do or not do anything. We're still not going to do public stuff just because Pre leaked private logs. The condition of this being done in private remains. IDK. End them? If CoA is unwilling to accept how post-war negotiations work there's not much for CoB to do. These are done privately and no matter what Pre may think that hasn't changed since he violated it. I'm a little slow on the uptake sometimes, it worries me...and I know I'm just building up and making money in a neutral alliance for the moment. But... If coalition B is doing its negotiation in private, while at the same time refusing to allow half of coalition A into the private peace talks, and refusing to establish any other peace talks with them in it, How are they supposed to partake in peace talks conducted in private? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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