Wendell Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 I have a problem with people calling each other Nazis, Fascists, etc. It is not decent because these terms offend and have offended many people. There were entire world wars involving these terms where millions have died. I don't think you should allow some words but not others. With all due respect please be consistent with creating rules and issuing penalties. Several nations also have Soviet imagery, Confederate Flags, and questionable content on their flags and nation pages. Only banning Nazi imagery isn't consistent because these other historical factions are just as bad if not worst. Please ban strong political language and Slurs, not just Nazism. Thank You 2 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Q Listener Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) I'd be interested to know what political "slurs" you feel are unwarranted.  e: Like specific examples where a label was applied and you felt it was offensive. Edited November 19, 2019 by John Q Listener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaliciousOnion Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 another vexatious anti-goons tantrum 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard J Crabs Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 I would like to put forth a different opinion, since this is an open forum for suggestions. I think we should ban all global symbols of hate. This is something that over time develops in our communities and is accepted by most of the population. Nazi imagery, fascism is banned in the majority of the world. If you go into establishments in most of the world dressed in these symbols of hate, you will get kicked out, refused service, and probably get your ass beat. Communist imagery is not universally accepted as a hate symbol. What Deulos needs to work on is winning hearts and minds to hating communism and making it into a symbol of hate throughout the world. Deulos and others that are confused on why some political ideologies are banned and some are not. I believe we need to have some education for them so that they can research why most people shun them from our society. They really don't see why there's zero tolerance for specific ideologies, and they need to educate themselves on why most of the world will never side with them on why it should be allowed. I think it's important that global symbols of hate be banned from the game to allow that userbase that never gave this game a chance when culturally accepted symbols of hate were allowed into the game. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell Posted November 19, 2019 Author Share Posted November 19, 2019 3 hours ago, MaliciousOnion said: another vexatious anti-goons tantrum The world does not revolve around your sad alliance. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonshardz Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 40 minutes ago, Deulos said: The world does not revolve around your sad alliance. You keep posting about us, though. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell Posted November 19, 2019 Author Share Posted November 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, dragonshardz said: You keep posting about us, though. Where did I mention GOONS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durmij Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 This is a no discussion forum and not an appropriate topic for the moderation subforum. Let's just leave this mess be until Alex or a mod comes by to lock it and hand out warns. 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted November 19, 2019 Administrators Share Posted November 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Deulos said: I have a problem with people calling each other Nazis, Fascists, etc. It is not decent because these terms offend and have offended many people. There were entire world wars involving these terms where millions have died. I don't think you should allow some words but not others. With all due respect please be consistent with creating rules and issuing penalties. Several nations also have Soviet imagery, Confederate Flags, and questionable content on their flags and nation pages. Only banning Nazi imagery isn't consistent because these other historical factions are just as bad if not worst. Please ban strong political language and Slurs, not just Nazism. Thank You This is a political simulation game, and Fascism, for example, is a political ideology (authoritarian state and the like.) My general take is to allow different ideas (government types, ideologies, etc.) because that allows more open and free roleplay and a better gameplay experience (for a political simulation game.) There are specific exceptions. These exceptions are outlined in the rules and generally determined by social norms and a general stance against hate groups and hateful/dangerous ideologies. For example, we have specific rules against Nazism and Terrorism, as those are particularly dangerous ideologies and I have no interest in my website being a breeding ground/welcoming community for people with supremacist beliefs or that are wishing harm/death upon others. We must and do draw a distinction between a valid political ideology and harmful/dangerous content. I.E. While fascism is allowed, Nazism is banned. While communism is allowed, role-playing specific implementations of communism (such as Pol Pot, which happened a few years ago) is banned. We examine each situation individually, and the norms by which we enforce the rules do evolve and change over time as society changes. What may have been okay 5 years ago when the game was created may not be acceptable anymore. I understand that sometimes it may not be clear what is and isn't against the rules, and you're always welcome to ask myself or other moderators, or inquire publicly here (like you are doing now.) 5 hours ago, Khris Kruel said: I would like to put forth a different opinion, since this is an open forum for suggestions. I think we should ban all global symbols of hate. This is something that over time develops in our communities and is accepted by most of the population. This is my general take and the general principle behind moderation policies. 2 hours ago, durmij said: This is a no discussion forum and not an appropriate topic for the moderation subforum. Let's just leave this mess be until Alex or a mod comes by to lock it and hand out warns. This is not a no-discussion forum. But, I would consider it a serious discussion forum - we will be more particular about moderating against trolling and the like in the Moderation Support subforum. 1 Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durmij Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 49 minutes ago, Alex said: This is not a no-discussion forum. But, I would consider it a serious discussion forum - we will be more particular about moderating against trolling and the like in the Moderation Support subforum. Sorry, thought this was a report misfiling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) On 11/19/2019 at 5:34 PM, durmij said: This is a no discussion forum and not an appropriate topic for the moderation subforum. Let's just leave this mess be until Alex or a mod comes by to lock it and hand out warns. This is a discussion forum. I'm not stupid especially when I already got warned twice for that. You think I would give up my right to have meaningful discussions. Edited November 20, 2019 by Deulos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post durmij Posted November 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, Deulos said: This is a discussion forum. I'm not stupid especially when I already got warned twice for that. You think I would give up my right to have meaningful discussions. I already corrected my mistake. But I do feel the need to push back on part of your statement. You don't have the "right to meaningful discussions." None of us do. The forums are Alex's private property and we are allow access based on his terms of service. Rights refer to things like freedom from government oppression and the ability to participate in a democracy. It's not applicable to using someones property and them setting rules to revoke access. 2 5 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua-Corpsman Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) On 11/19/2019 at 7:45 AM, Leonard J Crabs said: I would like to put forth a different opinion, since this is an open forum for suggestions. I think we should ban all global symbols of hate. This is something that over time develops in our communities and is accepted by most of the population. Nazi imagery, fascism is banned in the majority of the world. If you go into establishments in most of the world dressed in these symbols of hate, you will get kicked out, refused service, and probably get your ass beat. Communist imagery is not universally accepted as a hate symbol. What Deulos needs to work on is winning hearts and minds to hating communism and making it into a symbol of hate throughout the world. Deulos and others that are confused on why some political ideologies are banned and some are not. I believe we need to have some education for them so that they can research why most people shun them from our society. They really don't see why there's zero tolerance for specific ideologies, and they need to educate themselves on why most of the world will never side with them on why it should be allowed. I think it's important that global symbols of hate be banned from the game to allow that userbase that never gave this game a chance when culturally accepted symbols of hate were allowed into the game. Ya know in many countries, namely Eastern Europe, they consider communism much worse than Nazism. And, ya know, many many more people have died under communist regimes rather than fascist ones. And, ya know, fascism only really lasted about 20-30 years. Communism stayed in place for the whole 20th century. I agree with Alex's statement though, and I (as a Conservative Jew myself, one who has direct family members killed by, and has recently lost a loved one who was a survivor of, the holocaust) do not like Nazi symbols. But fascist ones and even communist ones I recognize as part of the game. It is part of the roleplay aspect of the game, and most of us accept that. But your view is very very incorrect and very very close minded. Dare I say....hateful. I am well aware your army of easily offended Goons members are going to downvote this to all hell, but I said what I needed to say. And I am sure every reasonable PnW player will agree with me. Edited July 16, 2020 by Corpsman 1 To whom it may concern, I do not represent The Immortals unless explicitly stated (ergo, never.)<--- I hardly use the forums anymore, add me on discord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted July 17, 2020 Administrators Share Posted July 17, 2020 Locked for gravedig. Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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