True King Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) On 11/21/2019 at 4:33 PM, Akuryo said: They can when the aggressive action you've taken was without warning and using a means and CB which you had to violate the bloody treaty for. Fun fact: Nokia justified his actions by saying that TCM protected Demacia, despite the fact that new Protectorates are to be voted on by the entire Bloc, as the treaty states they will be protected by all and not just by one. Essentially meaning, instead of "Effectively" attacking all of Astra by hitting a prot, you would be LITERALLY hitting all of them by doing so. Shocker, when you violate your agreements constantly, other people won't uphold them for you either. Welcome to Pragmatism and Politics, say goodbye to Idealism and Nonsense, hope you enjoyed your stay there though. Maybe this will teach you not to sign MDAPs anymore, but those mean you have their back no matter what. MDoAP is when there is some kind of option based on the circumstances. Although since MDAPs isn't even recognized as a real type of treaty in this game, not to surprising you wouldn't understand the commitment which comes with them. Edited November 24, 2019 by Noctis Anarch Caelum 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Marx Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Allan Holman said: You're not getting the white flag. You're not getting reparations. And I said Pantheon, a top ten alliance. needed help to AVOID getting beaten by a micro-bloc. But congratulations on starting, fighting, and pulling your allies into a war that was completely pointless, since, I repeat, you're never getting anything from us, and now we're in a new alliance that's being protected by The Commonwealth until our members can rebuild, arm up, and recruit allies, at which point we will rejoin TCM. Again, reiterating two points: that you needed 5x the members from 4 different top 20 alliances in order to fight a micro, and it was completely pointless since you have not, nor will ever be getting anything out of it. The Coal Mines have no future. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 I see GOONs downvoting me explaining what a MDAP actually is; as if don’t like facts posted or don’t like learning anything. Never said Astra would actually honor the MDAP; they’re Astra & didn’t even know what a MDAP was when creating the bloc. Lol. Although stay dumb goons, but publicly displaying you don’t understand the meanings of the different types of treaties wouldn’t give me confidence in Goons as an ally if I was one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancemasterlee Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Allan Holman said: You're not getting the white flag. You're not getting reparations. And I said Pantheon, a top ten alliance. needed help to AVOID getting beaten by a micro-bloc. But congratulations on starting, fighting, and pulling your allies into a war that was completely pointless, since, I repeat, you're never getting anything from us, and now we're in a new alliance that's being protected by The Commonwealth until our members can rebuild, arm up, and recruit allies, at which point we will rejoin TCM. Again, reiterating two points: that you needed 5x the members from 4 different top 20 alliances in order to fight a micro, and it was completely pointless since you have not, nor will ever be getting anything out of it. Should of gone green loser. PS say hello to your cowardly leader in hiding This nation is in Vacation Mode for the next 4,379 turns. This nation cannot be attacked or traded with during that time. Edited November 24, 2019 by dancemasterlee 1 1 Quote Specialist in buttes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) How brave of GOONS to attack TCM when they were already at war with 3 other alliances. I think the real reason they downvoted my post regarding MDAPs being mandatory is they know they're screwed if Astra actually decided to counter them. Nobody would have their back on that I'd bet. (I mean I can see why The Pantheon and allies are still hitting; although considering Jazz deleted after it was realized his accusations against Nokia were pure hyperbole, they have noCB to even keep hitting TCM, lol ) Edited November 24, 2019 by Noctis Anarch Caelum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elijah Mikaelson Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 6 hours ago, Allan Holman said: You're not getting the white flag. You're not getting reparations. And I said Pantheon, a top ten alliance. needed help to AVOID getting beaten by a micro-bloc. But congratulations on starting, fighting, and pulling your allies into a war that was completely pointless, since, I repeat, you're never getting anything from us, and now we're in a new alliance that's being protected by The Commonwealth until our members can rebuild, arm up, and recruit allies, at which point we will rejoin TCM. Again, reiterating two points: that you needed 5x the members from 4 different top 20 alliances in order to fight a micro, and it was completely pointless since you have not, nor will ever be getting anything out of it. You are no longer welcome. I did not open my alliance up and get you peace to act like a fool, I did it to try and help but it seems you are beyond any help i can give, good luck out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archibald Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 6 hours ago, Allan Holman said: You're not getting the white flag. You're not getting reparations. And I said Pantheon, a top ten alliance. needed help to AVOID getting beaten by a micro-bloc. But congratulations on starting, fighting, and pulling your allies into a war that was completely pointless, since, I repeat, you're never getting anything from us, and now we're in a new alliance that's being protected by The Commonwealth until our members can rebuild, arm up, and recruit allies, at which point we will rejoin TCM. Again, reiterating two points: that you needed 5x the members from 4 different top 20 alliances in order to fight a micro, and it was completely pointless since you have not, nor will ever be getting anything out of it. ? You hate to see it, folks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Elijah Mikaelson said: You are no longer welcome. I did not open my alliance up and get you peace to act like a fool, I did it to try and help but it seems you are beyond any help i can give, good luck out there. Did Pantheon ever even want reps from all the regular members? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elijah Mikaelson Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Did Pantheon ever even want reps from all the regular members? Those who joined my alliance was not asked for reps and they agree to peace without question. Before then I can not say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Well, unless GOONS can give a valid CB they’re attacking for; would probably accept any former members into my alliance unless those who do have a valid a CB have issue with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elijah Mikaelson Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Well, unless GOONS can give a valid CB they’re attacking for; would probably accept any former members into my alliance unless those who do have a valid a CB have issue with it. I think the only reason GOONs, Panth and other's gave those who joined me peace is due to me reaching out and talking it over, not calling them out on the forums over the issue, I do not see them giving you the same kindness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Elijah Mikaelson said: I think the only reason GOONs, Panth and other's gave those who joined me peace is due to me reaching out and talking it over, not calling them out on the forums over the issue, I do not see them giving you the same kindness Well, was mostly saying GOONS don’t seem to have a valid CB & would have confirmed with those who do. Although don’t really plan to recruit from them. Just have no idea why goons are involved unless a raid. Edited November 24, 2019 by Noctis Anarch Caelum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archibald Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 32 minutes ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Well, unless GOONS can give a valid CB they’re attacking for; would probably accept any former members into my alliance unless those who do have a valid a CB have issue with it. Our CB is "we felt like it". ... Also our bot is annoying and wouldn't let us remove TCM from the target list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Just now, Archibald said: Our CB is "we felt like it". ... Also our bot is annoying and wouldn't let us remove TCM from the target list. K, so pretty much raids like I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archibald Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 More or less ye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Archibald said: More or less ye Astra was just a MDAP by name anyways; guess they wanted to look edgy signing one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, dancemasterlee said: say hello to your cowardly leader in hiding This nation is in Vacation Mode for the next 4,379 turns. This nation cannot be attacked or traded with during that time. Is that really a stone you want to throw...? Really? ? Edited November 25, 2019 by Sir Scarfalot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancemasterlee Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I already threw the stone and will continue to do so even if it costs my internet honor!!! farts 1 Quote Specialist in buttes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archibald Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 51 minutes ago, Sir Scarfalot said: Is that really a stone you want to throw...? Really? ? the hell you talking about, marx is in plain sight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Holman Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Elijah Mikaelson said: You are no longer welcome. I did not open my alliance up and get you peace to act like a fool, I did it to try and help but it seems you are beyond any help i can give, good luck out there. First, never said we were gonna attack, just rebuild and recruit to prevent this happening again, as you were told in Discord. Second, we both know you only posted this to virtue-signal to GOONS in an attempt at getting peace. Ever watch the news? If there's one thing a leftist mob doesn't get, it's "forgiveness." Mark my words, they WILL find an excuse to roll on you. They did it to Nokia. They won't stop until they get their hands on TCM. And if anyone here fancies themselves a gambler, the betting pool on WHEN they'll attack can be found at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr James Wilson Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 12 hours ago, Allan Holman said: You're not getting the white flag. You're not getting reparations. And I said Pantheon, a top ten alliance. needed help to AVOID getting beaten by a micro-bloc. But congratulations on starting, fighting, and pulling your allies into a war that was completely pointless, since, I repeat, you're never getting anything from us, and now we're in a new alliance that's being protected by The Commonwealth until our members can rebuild, arm up, and recruit allies, at which point we will rejoin TCM. Again, reiterating two points: that you needed 5x the members from 4 different top 20 alliances in order to fight a micro, and it was completely pointless since you have not, nor will ever be getting anything out of it. Do you ever stop whining? I mean seriously. Stop crying about that fact that your former leader was an idiot who murdered his own alliance, a total !@#$ and has now turned out to be a scumbag who fricked over every single person that used his bank. You and your alliance are garbage. Be gone with you. 2 Quote The Volleyball Avanti Immortali ..one, two, Jimmy's coming for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Holman Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr James Wilson said: Do you ever stop whining? I mean seriously. Stop crying about that fact that your former leader was an idiot who murdered his own alliance, a total !@#$ and has now turned out to be a scumbag who fricked over every single person that used his bank. You and your alliance are garbage. Be gone with you. Then stop making me repeat myself. You're not getting paid by TCM for the theft. End. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowthrone Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Allan Holman said: Then stop making me repeat myself. You're not getting paid by TCM for the theft. End. Right. That's the difference between you and EM. One recognises the issues with theft and a damage to a banking system that is necessary to the game, the other hopes to keep stealing and getting away with it, with a sign post of "do something about it." So you can see why folks would take you up on that, especially if you're led by someone who has done some questionable things and then followed it by ripping all his friends/alliances/allies off :3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Holman Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Shadowthrone said: "Damage to a banking system that is necessary to the game." Funny, I didn't see Politics and War crash and burn like the 1929 stock market when Pantheon's banking system got robbed the first three or four times. Edited November 25, 2019 by Allan Holman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Shadowthrone said: Right. That's the difference between you and EM. One recognises the issues with theft and a damage to a banking system that is necessary to the game, the other hopes to keep stealing and getting away with it, with a sign post of "do something about it." So you can see why folks would take you up on that, especially if you're led by someone who has done some questionable things and then followed it by ripping all his friends/alliances/allies off :3 My view with banks is its like gambling if not under your direct control, you might lose it and you might not. People have been constantly stealing from each other for over many months from each other's nations throughout this global with raids; so main difference I see is if there was a breach of personal trust. I don't think there was a breach of trust involved between any of these TCM & Pantheon; which is why I can see why their attitude would be this way. Not like the person you're responding to betrayed someone's trust, just like the raider who attacks a random target isn't betraying any trust. Since there was never was any trust to begin with. Also don't think any of these TCM nations were involved in whatever bank robbery which occurred. Just as you take a risk hoarding all the money on your nation if a raider or invader suddenly hits you, same when you put something in a bank & suddenly its gone. Best to just not save up to much money if you don't want to risk losing it somehow. Edit: Also if anybody manages to steal over $40b from some bank, feel free to send as many billion as you can afford to. Would like to get some more cities, but most banks rip you off on interest & don't have enough. Edited November 25, 2019 by Noctis Anarch Caelum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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