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Nation Name: Gay Muslim Space Rojava
Link: https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=183860
Violation: Harassment

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Harassment

Using in-game communication to flame, bait, troll, or otherwise harass other players will result in your nation receiving a strike, or in severe instances your account being banned.

User deliberately ended an embargo in order to immediately spam me with another notification of a new embargo.

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Hello, I have made two total embargoes against you since I have played the game, over a time period of at least several days apart. I was looking to update the reason after you have either complained to me or embargoed me back, though it looks like it bugged out and became blank. Two messages at least 3 days apart does not personally meet the criteria for spam in my understanding of what "spam" is in this game nor any context, but I am more than happy to just keep the embargo in place forever so you do not get any more notifications.

This sort of report in my opinion seems to be more to create a chilling effect and use moderation as a weapon regarding the legitimate as intended use of embargo game mechanics by our alliance due to in game actions taken by you but I'll await the moderation team's judgement on the matter.

I do not mean this to be discussion, just adding my perspective to the matter since I'm directly involved.

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@Zetsubou Members of GOONS began mass-embargoing me and others because we were arbitrarily placed on a 'shit-list' for not tipping under blockade.

We proceeded to embargo other members of GOONs in a fashion similar to the Zodiac - House Stark embargo war that quickly expanded to involve roughly half the game at it's peak. With thousands of embargoes and counter embargoes being leveled. But in this case, only a handful of nations re: embargoed us, which was pointless. We already couldn't trade, so their embargo was purely to insult, which resulted in turn, with a couple more embargoes but nothing excessive.

I removed all my embargoes on GOONs a few days back because your gov. reached out to solve it amicably. Forum report might not be a good step in that direction ?

11/13 02:55 am The embargo placed on your nation by Literally Jesus of Heaven has ended.
11/12 04:30 am The embargo placed on your nation by Oglogoth of Militaires Sans Frontieres- has ended.
11/11 06:18 pm The embargo placed on your nation by Splendid of Free Republic of Tabarnia has ended.
11/11 02:12 pm The embargo placed on your nation by Mei-Ling Zhou of Bong Kong has ended.
11/11 02:08 pm The embargo placed on your nation by lightningjim of Vapour Waves has ended.
11/10 07:23 pm The embargo placed on your nation by Marxalot of Brexit Island has ended.
11/10 11:18 am The embargo placed on your nation by Fat and Useless of Snowlandia has ended.
11/09 09:01 pm The embargo placed on your nation by JCFalkenberg of Padishah Empire has ended.
11/09 06:25 pm Your nation was embargoed by lightningjim of Vapour Waves for the reason listed of: Reverse Embargoing.
11/09 06:25 pm The embargo placed on your nation by lightningjim of Vapour Waves has ended.
11/09 01:57 pm The embargo placed on your nation by Harold Holt of Eastern Central Southern Aus has ended.
11/09 01:16 am The embargo placed on your nation by Dommy Touglas of Soviet Canuckistan has ended.
11/09 12:52 am The embargo placed on your nation by w00tles of Hobotown has ended.
11/09 12:52 am The embargo placed on your nation by Jumba of Jumbistan has ended.
11/09 12:34 am The embargo placed on your nation by Smoking Sam Elliott of Big Daddy Demons Bong Shop has ended.
11/09 12:07 am The embargo placed on your nation by Dana X of Social Justice Warland has ended.
11/08 10:04 am Your nation was embargoed by CTB98 of Welsh Empire for the reason listed of: Lefty fool.
11/08 10:04 am The embargo placed on your nation by CTB98 of Welsh Empire has ended.
11/08 10:04 am Your nation was embargoed by CTB98 of Welsh Empire for the reason listed of: Lefty fool.
11/08 07:19 am The embargo placed on your nation by Butts of Butts has ended.
11/07 09:02 pm The embargo placed on your nation by Lord Charnel of Romaveka has ended.
11/07 09:02 pm Your nation was embargoed by Lord Charnel of Romaveka for the reason listed of: meep.
11/04 08:06 pm Your nation was embargoed by AlbertVonGibson of Albertistan for the reason listed of: No Blurnsball for you!.
11/04 07:45 pm Your nation was embargoed by Fighting 69th of United Sherman Socialist Rep for the reason listed of: Goon Menace.
11/04 12:22 am Your nation was embargoed by Krysm of Krysmphoenix for the reason listed of: Goon embargo list.
11/03 02:47 pm Your nation was embargoed by Literally Jesus of Heaven for the reason listed of: Ruby will never love you.
11/03 01:43 pm Your nation was embargoed by Tater Salad of Saladia for the reason listed of: Baize ball has been berrry Berry good to me..
11/03 11:35 am Your nation was embargoed by Harold Holt of Eastern Central Southern Aus for the reason listed of: pay what you owe.
11/03 11:34 am The embargo placed on your nation by Harold Holt of Eastern Central Southern Aus has ended.
11/03 11:12 am Your nation was embargoed by Monokuma of Zetsubolivia for the reason listed of: embargoing GOONS, like a pants on ground FOOL.
11/03 03:41 am Your nation was embargoed by Smoking Sam Elliott of Big Daddy Demons Bong Shop for the reason listed of: suckass.
11/02 10:14 pm Your nation was embargoed by Oglogoth of Militaires Sans Frontieres- for the reason listed of: embargoing GOONS.
11/02 10:08 pm Your nation was embargoed by Terry Bruge-Hiplo of Blumpkistan for the reason listed of: have it your way, m8.
11/02 09:21 pm Your nation was embargoed by Splendid of Free Republic of Tabarnia for the reason listed of: Too easily triggered. Also poor grammar. And extreme bigotry..
11/02 09:20 pm The embargo placed on your nation by Splendid of Free Republic of Tabarnia has ended.
11/02 09:19 pm Your nation was embargoed by Splendid of Free Republic of Tabarnia for the reason listed of: Exteme bigotry.
11/02 09:03 pm Your nation was embargoed by Of The Flies of Mesothelioma for the reason listed of: Serious Business.
11/02 09:01 pm Your nation was embargoed by lightningjim of Vapour Waves for the reason listed of: Reverse Embargoing.
11/02 08:22 pm Your nation was embargoed by Jimmy John of Republican Gay Space Fantasy for the reason listed of: .
11/02 08:21 pm Your nation was embargoed by Marxalot of Brexit Island for the reason listed of: Biesbol.
11/02 07:28 pm Your nation was embargoed by Ruzihm of Central Korea for the reason listed of: .
11/02 06:38 pm Your nation was embargoed by JCFalkenberg of Padishah Empire for the reason listed of: .
11/02 05:17 pm Your nation was embargoed by w00tles of Hobotown for the reason listed of: don't mess with baseball.
11/02 04:06 pm Your nation was embargoed by Jumba of Jumbistan for the reason listed of: No tip GOONS no play GOONS.
11/02 07:03 am Your nation was embargoed by Butts of Butts for the reason listed of: Free Butts!.
11/02 05:54 am Your nation was embargoed by Harold Holt of Eastern Central Southern Aus for the reason listed of: baseball.
11/02 03:55 am Your nation was embargoed by from the future of ooohu please delete for the reason listed of: .
11/02 03:55 am Your nation was embargoed by Valid Leader Name of Valid Nation Name for the reason listed of: Refuses to play ball wrt tipping our alliance, so we won't play ball with them..
11/02 03:46 am Your nation was embargoed by Dommy Touglas of Soviet Canuckistan for the reason listed of: canceled tip.
11/02 03:44 am Your nation was embargoed by Fat and Useless of Snowlandia for the reason listed of: .
11/02 03:44 am Your nation was embargoed by But With Nugs 4 Fang of Weeedsylvania for the reason listed of: .
11/02 03:39 am Your nation was embargoed by Mei-Ling Zhou of Bong Kong for the reason listed of: pay up.
11/02 03:35 am Your nation was embargoed by Cadwgan the Able of Kingdom of Morgannwg for the reason listed of: .
11/02 02:35 am Your nation was embargoed by Cool Bear of Bear Party for the reason listed of: .
11/02 01:38 am Your nation was embargoed by The Chosen One of Hotdogs 5 Dollars for the reason listed of: MESS WITH THE BEST DIE LIKE THE REST.
11/02 12:52 am Your nation was embargoed by DivineCoffeeBinge of Caffeinistan for the reason listed of: .
11/02 12:51 am Your nation was embargoed by David J Raper of DOMINION for the reason listed of: .
11/02 12:21 am Your nation was embargoed by Dana X of Social Justice Warland for the reason listed of: baseball embargo.
10/15 09:46 pm The embargo placed on your nation by Lord Charnel of Romaveka has ended.
10/15 09:46 pm Your nation was embargoed by Lord Charnel of Romaveka for the reason listed of: Discord.
10/06 07:16 am The embargo placed on your nation by Mux of Gooche Nation has ended.
10/06 07:10 am Your nation was embargoed by Mux of Gooche Nation for the reason listed of: contact me to get this lifted.
10/05 07:06 am The embargo placed on your nation by Jack Daniels of New York City has ended.
10/05 07:06 am Your nation was embargoed by Jack Daniels of New York City for the reason listed of: The baseball community hates you now lmao.
10/05 06:31 am Your nation was embargoed by sin of Orbus for the reason listed of: .
10/04 04:53 pm Your nation was embargoed by birdonwheels5 of Cloaca for the reason listed of: Trying to ruin baseball.
10/04 05:01 am Your nation was embargoed by JasperFrost of Achaea for the reason listed of: .
08/16 11:19 pm Your nation was embargoed by ADULAI BALDE of Arslan Alsan for the reason listed of: CDTM.

 

~ Didn't realize this is a non-discussion forum. Sorry in advance.

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42 minutes ago, Zaurg said:

Hello, I have made two total embargoes against you since I have played the game, over a time period of at least several days apart. I was looking to update the reason after you have either complained to me or embargoed me back, though it looks like it bugged out and became blank. Two messages at least 3 days apart does not personally meet the criteria for spam in my understanding of what "spam" is in this game nor any context, but I am more than happy to just keep the embargo in place forever so you do not get any more notifications.

This sort of report in my opinion seems to be more to create a chilling effect and use moderation as a weapon regarding the legitimate as intended use of embargo game mechanics by our alliance due to in game actions taken by you but I'll await the moderation team's judgement on the matter.

I do not mean this to be discussion, just adding my perspective to the matter since I'm directly involved.

As you and I are both aware GOONS has placed me on a list for embargoing, it seems disingenuous to argue that spamming additional unnecessary embargoes is not spam. The effect is obvious, and you don't present yourself as simple enough not to realise it. You know what you're doing, and it's not the first time a GOONS member has ended an embargo so that they could immediately spam me with a new embargo notification.

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I was not aware that alliance wide embargoes against individuals were a thing. Regardless, two notifications over several days that I am using a game mechanic to update the reason is not spam by any reasonable definition. Are you reporting me for embargoing you in-game? You've also personally embargoed me as well, which seem strange since apparently alliance wide embargoes are possible and harassment by your strange definition. This report seem particularly disingenuous given that you've both placed individual embargoes despite already having an alliance wide one as also have canceled and re-done an embargo within the span of a minute yourself. This seems more like an attempt to dissuade people from embargoing you, which is a perfectly valid in game action.

In any case these are facts that I believe show this clearly isn't in good faith and this seems to be veering into a debate so I'll wait for the moderators unless these facts change.
-Additionally, I have been informed that apparently alliance level embargoes, which I am not all that familiar with the mechanics of, do not impact baseball, which is the whole in game issue we are embargoing him. We are not obligated to play baseball with you if you don't agree to our system. This combined with the other threads all seem more about trying to retaliate via moderation against in game behavior allowed by the rules. Further, playing baseball with us like you demand to produces loads of irrelevant notifications which makes this even more frivolous.

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Zeph, if you'd just pay your baseball debts and present a formal request for terms for your alliance's surrender we'll take you off the embargo list as soon as everything gets taken care of.

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29 minutes ago, Zaurg said:

Are you reporting me for embargoing you in-game?

Read the report or my earlier response to you.

30 minutes ago, Zaurg said:

You've also personally embargoed me as well, which seem strange since apparently alliance wide embargoes are possible and harassment by your strange definition.

This is why it helps to read the thread content first before replying. Again, read above because you're apparently uninformed.

32 minutes ago, Zaurg said:

This report seem particularly disingenuous given that you've both placed individual embargoes despite already having an alliance wide one as also have canceled and re-done an embargo within the span of a minute yourself.

No, I'm pretty sure I didn't. I embargoed multiple GOONS members once each. What is disingenuous is attempting to conflate use of a game feature and deliberate spam of a game feature as equally acceptable game conduct.

39 minutes ago, Zaurg said:

This seems more like an attempt to dissuade people from embargoing you, which is a perfectly valid in game action.

I agree that embargoes are a perfectly valid in-game action, but repeatedly installing the same embargoes in order to spam a player with notifications does not service an in-game use besides harassment which is addressed by the game rules. I have been embargoed by something like a dozen GOONS already, but you are the only one I am reporting for harassment because you abused the feature not just to embargo me, but harass me with notification spam.

44 minutes ago, Zaurg said:

In any case these are facts that I believe show this clearly isn't in good faith and this seems to be veering into a debate so I'll wait for the moderators unless these facts change.

You haven't presented any facts, it's just drivel in attempt to excuse your abuse of a game feature.

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A reminder that this is a No Discussion Forum. Unless you are the topic creator (Zephyr), the accused (Zaurg), or providing specific evidence, you should not be posting in this thread. Violations will be reviewed and warns distributed as necessary.

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Harassment

Using in-game communication to flame, bait, troll, or otherwise harass other players will result in your nation receiving a strike, or in severe instances your account being banned.

I fail to see how hitting a button twice in about a span of week to take action in game that indirectly notifies someone else of your own actions meets this criteria to any reasonable person, which after all the crux of all these reports. 

Either Zephyr is upset about a spam of notifications, which could be annoying, except the whole reason he's doing this so he can play baseball with us. Which produces an absurd amount of not very useful notifications. If you play a lot of games, that's quickly several times over what our entire alliance embargoing you would produce. So is stated reason to report me for harassing him seems rather incoherent. 

He also claims knowledge of my motivation for doing so despite it not making any sense. If I want to blow up his notification feed to upset him, one notification isn't really going to do that.

So speaking to motivations since Zephyr's notification feed can't be all that distressing to him if he wants to play tons of baseball, it seem likely the real reason this report was made against me is to punish me for a valid in game action and to discourage anyone else from an Embargo if they don't want to deal with rule drama.

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3 hours ago, Zaurg said:

Harassment

Using in-game communication to flame, bait, troll, or otherwise harass other players will result in your nation receiving a strike, or in severe instances your account being banned.

I fail to see how hitting a button twice in about a span of week to take action in game that indirectly notifies someone else of your own actions meets this criteria to any reasonable person, which after all the crux of all these reports.

Previously I'd made the mistake of not bothering to report it, but given it is apparently an ongoing issue with GOONS I am forced to see the issue addressed. And what do you know, about 5 hours after reporting the issue, 2 more GOONS spammed embargo notifications entirely unnecessarily:

In that first thread linked above, Albertistan did it multiple times. You aren't being subtle about what you're doing.

3 hours ago, Zaurg said:

Either Zephyr is upset about a spam of notifications, which could be annoying, except the whole reason he's doing this so he can play baseball with us.

I don't care if I play baseball with you or not.

3 hours ago, Zaurg said:

Which produces an absurd amount of not very useful notifications. If you play a lot of games, that's quickly several times over what our entire alliance embargoing you would produce. So is stated reason to report me for harassing him seems rather incoherent.

I don't play a lot of baseball. It appears I last played 3 games in the last 2 days, then the record is blank. I guess the other games were that long ago they expired from the record(?).

Baseball notifications are also a predictable consequence of choosing to participate in home games; the player directly determines their exposure to baseball game notifications and can manage it in real-time while they're online. This is not comparable to other players deliberately choosing to spam unnecessary embargo notifications at any time.

4 hours ago, Zaurg said:

He also claims knowledge of my motivation for doing so despite it not making any sense. If I want to blow up his notification feed to upset him, one notification isn't really going to do that.

But it isn't one notification, there are now 3 threads to address the behavioural issues in your alliance. This is why it's necessary to address problematic behaviour early before it turns into systematic abuse.

4 hours ago, Zaurg said:

So speaking to motivations since Zephyr's notification feed can't be all that distressing to him if he wants to play tons of baseball...

I don't play 'tons of baseball'. I would say it's very little and infrequently.

4 hours ago, Zaurg said:

...it seem likely the real reason this report was made against me is to punish me for a valid in game action and to discourage anyone else from an Embargo if they don't want to deal with rule drama.

This entire point is ridiculous and disingenuous. Currently 70 nations have installed embargoes against me or my alliance. Are you suggesting that if you review my game report history you will find 70 reports where players have affected me with embargoes? I can save you the time looking and tell you the only reports I've made regarding embargoes are the 3 recently resultant from embargo notification spam from GOONS members. Notably I have been embargoed by 49 GOONS members; your argument would suggest I have made 49 game reports for embargo spam, but again I can tell you I have not and you can see my post history yourself and verify this. There's still another 21 nations of various allegiances that have embargoed me and yet not one of them reported for embargo spam. You have been exceptionally dishonest in this thread, repeatedly.

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If embargoing you is harassment any action that creates a notification is harassment then. If it bothers you so much you can just not check your notifications.

 

What exactly have I said that is “exceptionally dishonest?” Be specific.

 

Can the mods just rule on this as soon as possible? This is so patently ridiculous of a complaint that I don’t think it deserves any more attention.  

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5 minutes ago, Zaurg said:

If embargoing you is harassment any action that creates a notification is harassment then. If it bothers you so much you can just not check your notifications.

 

What exactly have I said that is “exceptionally dishonest?” Be specific.

Are you not reading my responses? I have carefully responded to each of your points in my responses.

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1 hour ago, Zaurg said:

Embargoing twice in a week isn’t harassment. 

Installing the same embargo again unnecessarily to spam me with notifications is harassment. And since my initial report more GOONS have retributively done similar. There's obviously a behavioural issue here with multiple GOONS members that needs to be addressed, including yourself who is apparently unable to see the issue when an alliance utilises game features to harass another player that didn't play baseball their favourite way (you should have simply embargoed me and moved on with your life instead of spamming me).

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2 minutes ago, Zaurg said:

You posting it over and over isn’t evidence that it’s spam.

Each thread is a report for a different offending player. There are six threads or six examples of GOONS members spamming embargoes. Why is this a problem for GOONS? Why is the concept of spam difficult for you guys to grasp?

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Hello! To provide evidence for this report case, I have strong evidence that our comrade Zephyr is not being honest with his reports.


Please read from this post down to see the context, along with the thread linked in that post. Our comrade Zephyr is clearly using these reports as a means to protest our reporting of the multi-account that I flagged down. Honestly, it seems rather suspicious that all these embargo reports only started after I made my multiaccount report, despite the fact he's been getting embargo'd for quite some time now before that report went up.

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1 hour ago, Blutarch Mann said:

Hello! To provide evidence for this report case, I have strong evidence that our comrade Zephyr is not being honest with his reports.


Please read from this post down to see the context, along with the thread linked in that post. Our comrade Zephyr is clearly using these reports as a means to protest our reporting of the multi-account that I flagged down. Honestly, it seems rather suspicious that all these embargo reports only started after I made my multiaccount report, despite the fact he's been getting embargo'd for quite some time now before that report went up.

Gee it's almost as if my report wasn't the result of being embargoed (a perfectly legitimate game action), but maybe something more specific like the same players reinstalling embargoes to spam notifications to me (harassment).

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6 hours ago, Zaurg said:

Less than one notification per day is not spam. I am allowed to update my reason if I wish.

I agree with Zaurg in this instance.

To establish that there is targeted harassment going on, I'll need a more demonstrated pattern of notification spam. Removing and re-adding an embargo one time isn't sufficient for me to take action on this.

Of course, if the behavior continues in the future, I will be happy to review again and take moderation action.

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