Raphael Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Change gather intel so it doesn't count as a daily spy op. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) Why would it matter? So many other useless spy ops people can waste them with & promotes cooperation sharing reports. Edit: Thought you meant for defensive ops limit on a nation, but I wouldn’t mind being able to do limitless spy ops per day on others. Lol Edited November 9, 2019 by Noctis Anarch Caelum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share Posted November 9, 2019 42 minutes ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Why would it matter? So many other useless spy ops people can waste them with & promotes cooperation sharing reports. Edit: Thought you meant for defensive ops limit on a nation, but I wouldn’t mind being able to do limitless spy ops per day on others. Lol Ideally I'd like to see spy ops also be balanced to be less successful overall. I think it's way too easy to execute ops on people with max (50-60) spies. But this is more of a Quality of Life suggestion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bartholomew Roberts said: Ideally I'd like to see spy ops also be balanced to be less successful overall. I think it's way too easy to execute ops on people with max (50-60) spies. But this is more of a Quality of Life suggestion. I agree they’re very easy mostly. Should be harder killing spies as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted November 10, 2019 Administrators Share Posted November 10, 2019 13 hours ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Edit: Thought you meant for defensive ops limit on a nation, but I wouldn’t mind being able to do limitless spy ops per day on others. Lol It already is the case that they don't count against the defensive limit. Quote Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Alex said: It already is the case that they don't count against the defensive limit. Might as well make them unlimited the other way then, is pretty limiting the amount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted November 10, 2019 Administrators Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Might as well make them unlimited the other way then, is pretty limiting the amount Why? I don't think that's necessary at all. Them not counting on the defensive end prevents spy slot filling. On the offensive side, though, having them count encourages teamwork, coordination, etc. and also keeps information limited. If it didn't count against your daily limit, you could (theoretically) gather intel on every single nation in the game every day. That just doesn't seem right. 1 Quote Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Alex said: Why? I don't think that's necessary at all. Them not counting on the defensive end prevents spy slot filling. On the offensive side, though, having them count encourages teamwork, coordination, etc. and also keeps information limited. If it didn't count against your daily limit, you could (theoretically) gather intel on every single nation in the game every day. That just doesn't seem right. Or let people do 2 info ops instead of the other ones. Kind of limited for those, mostly killing spies & destroying nukes people can be hit with kind of an excessive amount daily. Whoever decides to start killing the spies first pretty much gains that edge for the war. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share Posted November 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Alex said: Why? I don't think that's necessary at all. Them not counting on the defensive end prevents spy slot filling. On the offensive side, though, having them count encourages teamwork, coordination, etc. and also keeps information limited. If it didn't count against your daily limit, you could (theoretically) gather intel on every single nation in the game every day. That just doesn't seem right. Why wouldn't it be necessary? When you only have two spy ops per day you're very limited in what you can really do with spies. Gathering intelligence is the main purpose of IRL spies so let them do it. It also doesn't directly affect anything in wars so there's not really harm in it, it's really just Quality of Life at this point because people have banking bots that can take your trade history/GDP/banking history/city builds and accurately predict your warchest. To your second point, it would cost $2bil cash to run quick and dirty Gather intel ops on all 9200 nations in-game right now. Spy range also limits that significantly. As mentioned above though, I think a global reduction in spy success rates would be a good pairing with a change like unlimited intel ops. Having max spies should make you feel a little safer than it does right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhantomThiefB Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 2:58 AM, Alex said: Why? I don't think that's necessary at all. Them not counting on the defensive end prevents spy slot filling. On the offensive side, though, having them count encourages teamwork, coordination, etc. and also keeps information limited. If it didn't count against your daily limit, you could (theoretically) gather intel on every single nation in the game every day. That just doesn't seem right. What's the daily limit on defensive spy slots? 3 spy attempts/successes? If so then lower the defensive counts to 2, make gather intel a free use but change it so it counts on the defensive end of things. This way you don't limit nations on their use of gather intelligence but instead have to be careful of how they use the op since it'll limit spying capabilities against a nation from the reduction to 2 a day and making gather intel use one of those slots but not cost the offensive spy ops a spy use. This should achieve more or less the same thing that you want by limiting things in a different way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 5 hours ago, SleepingNinja said: What's the daily limit on defensive spy slots? 3 spy attempts/successes? If so then lower the defensive counts to 2, make gather intel a free use but change it so it counts on the defensive end of things. This way you don't limit nations on their use of gather intelligence but instead have to be careful of how they use the op since it'll limit spying capabilities against a nation from the reduction to 2 a day and making gather intel use one of those slots but not cost the offensive spy ops a spy use. This should achieve more or less the same thing that you want by limiting things in a different way. I'd be ok with this or something like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted November 11, 2019 Administrators Share Posted November 11, 2019 5 hours ago, SleepingNinja said: What's the daily limit on defensive spy slots? 3 spy attempts/successes? If so then lower the defensive counts to 2, make gather intel a free use but change it so it counts on the defensive end of things. This way you don't limit nations on their use of gather intelligence but instead have to be careful of how they use the op since it'll limit spying capabilities against a nation from the reduction to 2 a day and making gather intel use one of those slots but not cost the offensive spy ops a spy use. This should achieve more or less the same thing that you want by limiting things in a different way. Making gather intel count as a defensive spy op would make spy slot filling de facto legal, and happen all the time. That would be near impossible to moderate (when is gather intel slot filling, when is it legit? You really want me to make that judgement call everyday?) and anyone worth their salt would get their spy slots filled immediately by their allies to avoid actual espionage operations against them. 4 Quote Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 On 11/11/2019 at 11:39 AM, Alex said: Making gather intel count as a defensive spy op would make spy slot filling de facto legal, and happen all the time. That would be near impossible to moderate (when is gather intel slot filling, when is it legit? You really want me to make that judgement call everyday?) and anyone worth their salt would get their spy slots filled immediately by their allies to avoid actual espionage operations against them. I do agree with this, but let’s not forget that spy ops can be used to hit soldiers or infrastructure for almost negligible damage too, and those uses DO count to the defense limits. A much, much better idea would be something like changing the defense slots to account for damage potential; like everyone has 12 ‘defense slots’ but hitting aircraft eats up 6 of them, hitting tanks or ships eats up 4 of them, hitting soldiers eats up 3 of them, hitting nuke or missile takes up 8 of them, hitting infra takes up one of them, and hitting spies takes up the whole 12 of them (it really is ridiculous that an early lead in the spy game is just that insurmountable, and that would go a long way in fixing that particular issue). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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