Popular Post Lu Xun Posted October 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2019 Currently, the baseball nerfs are excessive, to the extent that they punish casual or normal players. Â As a mediocre baseball player, I'd be able to exceed the baseball cap in only 1 and a half hours of play. Likewise, as a mediocre baseball player, I can only do 15 games per minute, meaning that even I myself can end up hitting the "timer" cap on baseball. Â Suggested response: Â -Increase the baseball soft cap to 2000 home games per day. This would generate about 22,500,000 million per day once tips are factored in. It's a mechanic that benefits active players and encourages activity, but does not penalize others too much. For comparison purposes, a 15 city nation would be making about 20-30 million per day, so baseball would not comprise an excessive proportion of their income. Â -Decrease the baseball delay to 3 seconds. This implies a max game rate of 20 games per minute, which most players can achieve.. 2 6 7 Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Just remove the rate limit in my opinion. Because it's never going to just be a 3 sec delay as you have to factor in the host queue. If there's 5 people in the queue. Then the away player can clear that in 25 seconds. Or 15 seconds with a 3 sec delay. As a home player you are looking at waiting 5 sec to be able to hit the hose button and then 20 seconds to have your match played in this scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasperFrost Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 7 hours ago, Tiberius said: Just remove the rate limit in my opinion. Because it's never going to just be a 3 sec delay as you have to factor in the host queue. If there's 5 people in the queue. Then the away player can clear that in 25 seconds. Or 15 seconds with a 3 sec delay. As a home player you are looking at waiting 5 sec to be able to hit the hose button and then 20 seconds to have your match played in this scenario. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, JasperFrost said: And that's after you've embargoed half the game? Jesus christ. Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigbigadorlou Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 You want to be able to make 22 million a day on baseball? So, more than an infra'd up 25 city nation does. That sounds like a reasonable amount to you? [In before downvotes from the click brigade] 4 2 Quote Hey Krampus, the signature edit is under account settings. Actually, here's the link. https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/settings/signature/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, zigbigadorlou said: You want to be able to make 22 million a day on baseball? So, more than an infra'd up 25 city nation does. That sounds like a reasonable amount to you? [In before downvotes from the click brigade] Players want fair compensation for the time invested playing the game. Same as the advantage those who have played the game longer get. Until Baseball is removed as a feature/gameplay then you should absolutely be reasonably rewarded. Only Alex can determine what is reasonable in the context of the games econony and he has decided with the changes that if you dont tip 22million is reasonable. Even so the whole entire earnings from baseball over the years only equates to 2% of the whole cash circulating in game, it really is inconsequential. Edited October 9, 2019 by Tiberius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlboro lalo Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) I'm just playing eve, it's way more interesting.  Lol at the guy saying nations shouldnt earn more than infra'd up 22 city nations. I earn more than just raiding, which is like 10-30 clicks xD There's no incentive to grow in this game, hence the distorted nation scores  Baseball nerfs are horrible and players should be compensated for their teams Edited October 10, 2019 by Marlboro lalo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandystalin Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 18 hours ago, Tiberius said:  Even so the whole entire earnings from baseball over the years only equates to 2% of the whole cash circulating in game, it really is inconsequential. According to Alex's initial post when he raised the possibility of nerfing baseball, one player had earned 2% of the total cash in-game. Admittedly the earning per player fell away quite steeply after the top few, but still it makes you realise the earning potential of baseball if you really go for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Mandystalin said: According to Alex's initial post when he raised the possibility of nerfing baseball, one player had earned 2% of the total cash in-game. Admittedly the earning per player fell away quite steeply after the top few, but still it makes you realise the earning potential of baseball if you really go for it I stand corrected. That however was cheating, but the cheater is still playing the game. Even so I'm guessing if you added it all up its likely <5% which is still a miniscule amount. The caps are absolutely fine. However the rate limit has killed baseball. So I suppose @Alex has achieved what he wanted to. There's also more cash in circulation from Keno than baseball has added in 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasperFrost Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 10 seconds of Keno: $25,000,000,000 (Elijah) 120 days of raiding $5,000,000,000 (just in Pathos' cash loot) 5 years of literally obviously cheating in baseball and being reported 30 times for doing so $10,000,000,000 (Galerion) 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I'd just like my baseball stuff refunded with how broken it; always saw it as a pointless feature until I realized it could be useful. Although apparently it was never meant to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandystalin Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 It would be very interesting to see money made/lost at Keno and Dice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Mandystalin said: It would be very interesting to see money made/lost at Keno and Dice. Doesn't get tracked so we won't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Tiberius said: Doesn't get tracked so we won't know. it probably does we just aren't allowed to see it. It is however, a net money sink, unless blessed by RNG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Baseball is already dead; better to try getting Alex to refund it than try getting it fixed. Since as Alex implied, it was meant to be a side game of no real use. Apparently getting lucky on a dice roll he values more than people actively playing. I've had 1 player already die since he broke baseball, hopefully he refunds before everyone who invested in baseball players recently lose money and get punished for using the feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Baseball is already dead; better to try getting Alex to refund it than try getting it fixed. Since as Alex implied, it was meant to be a side game of no real use. Apparently getting lucky on a dice roll he values more than people actively playing. I've had 1 player already die since he broke baseball, hopefully he refunds before everyone who invested in baseball players recently lose money and get punished for using the feature. There's still people playing it so it's would be unfair on those to remove it. It simply needs the rate limit removed and cap the games at 1k homes or aways and make max home revenue 14k and give max away revenue 14k. Removes the need for tipping and will not affect whether you play those 1k games home or away. 1 hour ago, Akuryo said: it probably does we just aren't allowed to see it. It is however, a net money sink, unless blessed by RNG. Someone asked Alex and he said he didn't have Keno tracked. So we will never know how much has been won/spent playing Keno, unless he has started to track it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: There's still people playing it so it's would be unfair on those to remove it. It simply needs the rate limit removed and cap the games at 1k homes or aways and make max home revenue 14k and give max away revenue 14k. Removes the need for tipping and will not affect whether you play those 1k games home or away. Someone asked Alex and he said he didn't have Keno tracked. So we will never know how much has been won/spent playing Keno, unless he has started to track it. Would be 100% fair if he refunds everybody while he tries to fix baseball; then people can choose if they think its worth investing in with the changes. Although currently its not. Although would be a really shitty move if he makes all our investments in our players go to waste completely as its broken; while they die off. Edited October 11, 2019 by Noctis Anarch Caelum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandystalin Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 19 hours ago, Tiberius said: Doesn't get tracked so we won't know. I thought that might be the case. Shame, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) My 2 favorite childhood games, Final Fantasy 7 and Mario RPG Legend of the Seven Stars both had games within the games. Also when younger and interested in creating games, always liked the idea of having an arcade within the game, where people can play mini-games. So just because this is a politics and war game doesn't mean these side games don't add anything of value to the game; so think its overall a bad idea for Alex to listen to those who don't play them & don't want others using them either. Although on the flip side, when I first started playing I did think the baseball thing was pretty stupid, until I realized it could be useful. So I think nerfing all these side games he's made into purely being a waste of time & useless would maybe be worse than removing it completely. Making baseball mostly useless when people can make a lot more money other ways; just because those who don't want to play it suddenly decided it was unfair people playing them were benefiting was a bad idea. Edited October 12, 2019 by Noctis Anarch Caelum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Tiniest Bird Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 What a day where I agree with Noctis on something! Miracles do exist. Either nerf the games in a way that still keeps them fun or just remove them altogether, get it over with and refund baseball investments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandystalin Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I'm a casual baseball player. When I log in I'll typically clear any Away Games and then host a Home Game. Sometimes when bored I play a little longer. I was always a bit frustrated at the hoop-jumping and waiting involved with Captcha, but now I also have to wait for a screen-cracking advert to load and then scroll down to find how far the 'play' button has moved. Really puts me off what was once quite an enjoyable part of the game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reunited states of texas Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Get rid of all of the nerfs on Baseball it was fair and balanced before now all that money i put in its wasted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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