Skittles Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Have a good rebuild y'all Quote I have no idea what I'm doing but that doesn't stop me from doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filmore Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Spaceman Thrax said: Uhhh yeah, good luck with the rebuild. I wouldn't mind an explanation on exactly why your government went into this war, and what you were hoping to get from it. Perhaps that is just me? We went into this war because Ketog declared on us. Not entering the war wasn't exactly an option..... 7 minutes ago, Spaceman Thrax said: Edited June 29, 2019 by Filmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Spaceman Thrax said: Uhhh yeah, good luck with the rebuild. I wouldn't mind an explanation on exactly why your government went into this war, and what you were hoping to get from it. Perhaps that is just me? Did they enter or attacked due to being complicit in those leaked logs? Anyways from what Elijah said in another thread, that plan was related to Soup poaching from FR. So think they had no choice, although hard to keep up. Good luck to FR on the rebuilding. Edited June 29, 2019 by Noctis Anarch Caelum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Thrax Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Just now, Filmore said: We went into this war because Ketog declared on us. Not entering the war wasn't exactly an option..... We went into this war because Ketog declared on us. Not entering the war wasn't exactly an option..... Thanks for the reply. I made an edit because my question was (apparently) unclear. You had agreed to hit our allies in the TCW leak. Everything past that was just gravity. That is what I meant. Quote Slaughter the shits of the world. They poison the air you breathe. ~ William S. Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Isjaki Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, chanel said: Good luck with the rebuild, I hope Rose and Ming drop TFP since they've shown where their loyalties lie We went in to defend FR since FR invoked the ODP. I wonder what's so difficult to digest about an alliance actually honouring it's treaty obligations rather than dropping their protectors when being hit hard and stuff like that. 1 8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skittles Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Isjaki said: We went in to defend FR since FR invoked the ODP. I wonder what's so difficult to digest about an alliance actually honouring it's treaty obligations rather than dropping their protectors when being hit hard and stuff like that. ODP aka Optional Defense Pact Quote I have no idea what I'm doing but that doesn't stop me from doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isjaki Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Skittles said: ODP aka Optional Defense Pact You wouldn't be saying the same after sitting out and being dogpiled on Knightfall. We would rather kill stuff tha let stuff kill us. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skittles Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Just now, Isjaki said: You wouldn't be saying the same after sitting out and being dogpiled on Knightfall. We would rather kill stuff tha let stuff kill us. Iirc, TFP was ultimately the ones that got themselves rolled in that war, as in, it could have been avoided had they played by the rules given to them. Quote I have no idea what I'm doing but that doesn't stop me from doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Don’t think people should be to hard on TFP for honoring a treaty, some alliances take ODPs more serious than others & that’s not always a bad thing. TFP got wrecked for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Thrax Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Don’t think people should be to hard on TFP for honoring a treaty, some alliances take ODPs more serious than others & that’s not always a bad thing. TFP got wrecked for it. It's a little situational. When it's "defending" an optional ally that is being hit because they signed off on an aggressive war plan they did not initially tell TFP about, I'd have told them to buzz off, probably. 5 Quote Slaughter the shits of the world. They poison the air you breathe. ~ William S. Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isjaki Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Skittles said: Iirc, TFP was ultimately the ones that got themselves rolled in that war, as in, it could have been avoided had they played by the rules given to them. I'm curious what 'rules' are you talking about? Ghosting? There are no children here, my friend, let's admit it already that TFP got hit for fun. And thus, we preferred to go to the war rather than let the war come to us. And I still don't get the point you are trying to make. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Spaceman Thrax said: It's a little situational. When it's "defending" an optional ally that is being hit because they signed off on an aggressive war plan they did not initially tell TFP about, I'd have told them to buzz off, probably. Probably, but always the chance you’d back them anyways. Edit: Although if Rose wants nothing to do with FR, cutting it might make sense if TFP still has loyalty to them. Although I can just understand the TFP POV of honoring a treaty activation request when asked as well. Edited June 29, 2019 by Noctis Anarch Caelum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 21 minutes ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Don’t think people should be to hard on TFP for honoring a treaty, some alliances take ODPs more serious than others & that’s not always a bad thing. TFP got wrecked for it. Why not? They signed off to defend someone who is technically the aggressor, and flying in the face of their two other allies, who are willingly aiding the side which are technically the defenders. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper_ Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) @Spaceman Thrax Tbf we did have some extensive communication with TFP as they entered the war. We were quite annoyed with their reasoning upon entering the war, but from entry to exit they've been transparent and straightforward about their intents and justifications. I can respect that, and it's a lot more than we can expect from some of our other enemies. @Quichwe10@Alfred the Great You guys are great, and I hope you enjoy this hard-fought peace. Congratulations! Edited June 29, 2019 by Cooper_ Added text 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamala Khan Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Best of luck to you all on the rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 51 minutes ago, Spaceman Thrax said: It's a little situational. When it's "defending" an optional ally that is being hit because they signed off on an aggressive war plan they did not initially tell TFP about, I'd have told them to buzz off, probably. I'll engage in this because I've been bored not participating in OWF drama and this is vague enough to not be "picking a side." This whole argument is made under the assumption that an alliance takes the contract that is a treaty seriously and not as a superfluous document that can be scrapped at convenience. I personally feel that the exact reasoning you're expressing disdain for TFP's actions are the reason why Optional treaties should honestly be the norm. TFP doesn't have a contractual obligation to hide behind, they have to own their actions and to their credit they're doing just that. It also opens the door for other people to hold them accountable for their actions. Every Optional pact that gets activated is a debatable, and more importantly engageable, action. In other words, every time someone utilizes an Optional pact it creates an event from which metagame politics can be derived. Which I believe is healthy for the community and the game. It can also be said that the concept of Mutual (ie. binding) treaties is an inherently sovereignty-infringing pact. Someone else screws up and gets hit? If it's an Optional pact, you now have contractual reason to sit this one out and any argument is now centered around your actions. If your mutual ally got hit and you don't want to be involved? It's now an argument centered around contractual obligation rather than any actual action or reasoning. You lose face if you dishonour a Mutual pact, and the contractual obligation chains you into a much greater world than any one nation ever signed up to defend. Allies of allies of allies can hypothetically pull you into a global war where you get rocked and never recover. Not to mention political ramifications when your mutual partners are doing things you or your other friends disagree with. I know the norm around here is to say Optional pacts don't matter and shouldn't even bother being signed, but honestly I feel the exact opposite. I think mutual pacts are bad for the game because they remove sovereignty and accountability for the individual alliances and I think they create more problems than people think they solve (typically being able to defend yourself). 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorystar Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Just to clear some whatevers up, yes, we entered the war because FR invoked the treaty. Not Rose or Ming. Mostly, I agreed on it to give our guys some more experience and to get some sense into their heads. Knightfall was a complete and utter failure, with us losing over half of our member base, going from 120 guys to 50. Now, we have a solid core of 60 members who are willing to fight. And look, we've only had 1 leave/reroll/delete. Of course, we're TFP, so our performance was probably pretty bad in the eyes of others. Eh, I don't care. I say that on my nation description. I think it was a good idea on the terms of getting experience, seeing what our core is and where to go next. I didn't want it to be like Knightfall where both sides kept us on the fence and neutral until there was no one to protect us, and we got steamrolled. If Rose and Ming drop us, oof. We were only doing what we were supposed to do. But we'll accept it, since we'll have 1 side to join and no debates on it. I think it'll make it easier for TFP to go forward. tl;dr pixelhuggers suck. Have a cookie. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorcock Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) You were declining and joined in expecting what? A morale boost? Welp, good luck on your rebuild, you'll need it. I am aware we hit you, but you asked this upon yourself by agreeing to hit Soup. Good job FR, you played yourself. Edited June 29, 2019 by Gatorcock Posted the remix, closed the page so enjoy the remixed version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Justin076 Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 No shame in exiting early, aside from FR this ain't your war. And to be quite honest, I'm going to guess that FR wasn't the mastermind behind IQ's plotting so no shame in letting them go. Glad that people have thus far clawed back against their IQ overlords and refused life as Roq/IQ meat-shield. 11 1 Quote Chief Financial Officer of The Syndicate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Epi Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) 1 Edited February 17, 2021 by Epi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majima Goro Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Don't want to quote stuff TFP just honor treaties that allow them to participate in dogpiles Nonetheless, TFPs blitz was far better than rest of IQs, including NPOs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quichwe10 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 2 hours ago, ShadyAssassin said: Don't want to quote stuff TFP just honor treaties that allow them to participate in dogpiles Nonetheless, TFPs blitz was far better than rest of IQs, including NPOs Experience from AC has taught us that you can never have enough dogs dogpiling on KT-TGH. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avakael Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 12 hours ago, Keegoz said: Good luck with the rebuild. Also inb4 Another Bites the Dust If four alliances surrendered, do I have to listen to the song four times over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerbollo Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Avakael said: If four alliances surrendered, do I have to listen to the song four times over? Yes. Another Bites the Dust must follow a cessation of conflict by one faction. It's heresy otherwise and the God-Emperor of the Imperium of Man will personally pass through a wormhole to smite Orbis to dust. Edited June 30, 2019 by Kerbollo 1 1 Quote Attempting to contact Kerbin since 1983 (in-game)... Hey, have anyone seen those fireworks? What do you mean, Jeb had them strapped to SRBs? Discord: Ray3501#0305. I frequent the SK Network discord (duh). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegoz Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Avakael said: If four alliances surrendered, do I have to listen to the song four times over? Any excuse to listen to it, so yes. Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.