We are here for the Whales

[SauceMaster]

Oh great. Now even slower server at update.

[Kyubnyan]

10 minutes ago, Kriegskoenig said:

Oh, the irony. 

Really, none of you complaining here can be taken seriously being salty about what BK does, because, save a few alliances that lean paperless, your entire group has done the same thing repeatedly, for years.  But I don't expect most of you to be objective enough to grasp that. ?

And seriously, has none of you ever read Von Clausewitz, Machiavelli, or Sun Tzu?  Going into a "fair fight" is the utter height of stupidity for anyone that wants to achieve something beyond pointless destruction.

Some people just want to stir the pot and see what happens.

[flav]

3,625,792 more infra to burn 

[Who Me]

Some of you folks are in serious need of this.

[Zei-Sakura Alsainn]

12 minutes ago, Kriegskoenig said:

Oh, the irony. 

Really, none of you complaining here can be taken seriously being salty about what BK does, because, save a few alliances that lean paperless, your entire group has done the same thing repeatedly, for years.  But I don't expect most of you to be objective enough to grasp that. ?

And seriously, has none of you ever read Von Clausewitz, Machiavelli, or Sun Tzu?  Going into a "fair fight" is the utter height of stupidity for anyone that wants to achieve something beyond pointless destruction.

I daresay your opinion would matter more if your alliance could launch a blitz even equal to that of a micro who just 3 days prior to said blitz was couped and its entire bank missing.

However, since you and your comrades, through some hreculean prowess we mere mortals could never understand, managed to fail at even that, i now wonder when people start calling Polaris the micro and me the "normal but small alliance". Because SOMEHOW, you've made it seem more fitting that be done.

[Shadowthrone]

Going to be fun to watch whale fights. 

 

o7 tS 

[Sphinx]

Well I guess I sold my Infra for no reason then...... RIP

Good Hunting t$,

Edited June 19, 2019 by Sphinx

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

1 minute ago, Shadowthrone said:

Going to be fun to watch whale fights. 

 

o7 tS 

it probably wont, we are going to steam roll them, just like we do to everyone else, the only thing that may save them, is if they hide below our range like they did last war.

[Roq]

3 minutes ago, Pheonix said:

Yes because the entirety of chaos + KT + rose and friends hitting BKs 120 nation's that are all 5 cities lower is a "fair fight"

Let's do some counting. 

Black Knights itself has 124 members.

The Commonwealth has 84 members.

Guardians of the Galaxy has 86 members

Carthago has 52 members

Camelot has 62 members

Electric Space has 58 members 

Afrika Korps has 49 members

Frontier Records has 51 members

Polaris has 33 members

Solar Knights has 34 members

Acadia has 44 members

United Purple Nations has 37 members

Yakuza has 26 members

The Hanseatic League has 27 members

Hyperborea has eleven members

Order of the White Rose has 31 members

The Commerce Union has 31 members

The Brotherhood of the cloud has 28 members

Goon Squad has seven members

The United Armies has 42 members

The Axis Accord has 45 members

So, overall, they have 922 members

 

Let's do the counts for the other side.

 

Rose has 86 members

The Knights Radiant has 120 members

Grumpy Old Bastards has 30

Knights Templar has 71 members

Guardian has 35 members

The Golden Horde has 44 members.

Ming Empire has 49 members

Church of Spaceology has 31 members

Seven Kingdoms has 35 members

Empyrea has 51 members

Soup Kitchen has 55 members

Valinor has 33 members

North Point has 27 members

Oblivion has two members

European States has eight members

Metallica has two members

Sanctuary has three members

They have 682 members. So, BK already outnumbers them 922 - 682. Or 1.35 BK members for every Chaos, KETOG, Rose member. What do I know though?

 

[hope]

8 minutes ago, Akuryo said:

I daresay your opinion would matter more if your alliance could launch a blitz even equal to that of a micro who just 3 days prior to said blitz was couped and its entire bank missing.

However, since you and your comrades, through some hreculean prowess we mere mortals could never understand, managed to fail at even that, i now wonder when people start calling Polaris the micro and me the "normal but small alliance". Because SOMEHOW, you've made it seem more fitting that be done.

I prefer to call them Poolaris (;

[Itachi]

35 minutes ago, chanel said:

Yeah because you have no fricking integrity. Instead of doing something interesting and fightimg N$O you pick on two smaller spheres that aren't a threat on their own. After they've been beaten down in a war a log is leaked showing plans to roll them, so they white peace and declare on you. HOWEVER they start WINNING so you bring in all your protectorates and satellites (former Vanguard) but YOU ARE STILL LOSING so you bring in a whole OTHER sphere to bail you out to fight TWO SMALLER spheres that just emerged from a war and have 250-300 less nations than you because your milcom is so incompetent. YES people are salty now frick off

Nobody 'called us in', this war has nothing to do with BK's war. It literally says that in our DoW. ?

Edited June 19, 2019 by Vent

[hope]

Just now, Vent said:

Nobody 'called us in', this war has nothing to do with BK's war.

something tells me this has everything to do with BK's war but what do i know

[Sir Scarfalot]

15 minutes ago, Kriegskoenig said:

Oh, the irony. 

Really, none of you complaining here can be taken seriously being salty about what BK does, because, save a few alliances that lean paperless, your entire group has done the same thing repeatedly, for years.  But I don't expect most of you to be objective enough to grasp that. ?

And seriously, has none of you ever read Von Clausewitz, Machiavelli, or Sun Tzu?  Going into a "fair fight" is the utter height of stupidity for anyone that wants to achieve something beyond pointless destruction.

Arright honkus, I’ve gone to the trouble of writing this on my phone because it warrants an immediate response.

Yes, fair fights are a sucker’s play.... when they’re lost. So no, BK can’t be faulted for compensating as desperately and pathetically as they can for their inadequacies in a fight in which they should have had unsurpassable advantages in *even before* this latest stunt.

what we can, and should fault y’all for is how blatantly disingenuous you are being with this “limited engagement against grumpy, if you respond to our attacks then we’re on the defensive, lolol” bullshit. You want to have support, fine. You want to bring in IQ, fine. But don’t fig leaf your smelly dick by weaseling “defensive”!

[Shadowthrone]

3 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

it probably wont, we are going to steam roll them, just like we do to everyone else, the only thing that may save them, is if they hide below our range like they did last war.

Maybe, but can't deny tS for rolling the hard six, knowing fully well its an uphill battle in that tier~ 

[Sphinx]

2 minutes ago, CitrusK said:

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Of which more than 300 of those on the BK/TC side are under 13 cities, so that doesn't tell you the full picture. On a raw city count basis your side has us beat,

[Pasky Darkfire]

Just now, Vent said:

Nobody 'called us in', this war has nothing to do with BK's war.

And I'm Carmen Sandiego, GUESS WHERE I AM?

[Itachi]

Just now, chanel said:

something tells me this has everything to do with BK's war but what do i know

Not a lot, it would seem.

[ArcKnox]

2 minutes ago, Vent said:

Nobody 'called us in', this war has nothing to do with BK's war. It literally says that in our DoW. ? 

We only have your word on that, and right now your word is worth less than a weimar paper mark

[丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™]

5 minutes ago, CitrusK said:

 

Hyperborea has eleven members

 

Everyone here is salty af

Yet I'm here just happy we're being mentioned

We did it bois, we can die in peace.

[Dio Brando]

1 minute ago, Pasky Darkfire said:

And I'm Carmen Sandiego, GUESS WHERE I AM?

It's amusing, Roy Mustang actually went as Carmen Sandiego for a while.

[Ibsheway]

29 minutes ago, Dio Brando said:

"You're incompetent, you need the whole game to help you take us down!" / "You're hegemonic, we couldn't possibly do anything to you!"

Pick one.

Ride well, my brothers in Syndicate.

most retarded shit ive read here so far

[Kriegskoenig]

17 minutes ago, Dwynn said:

Ah yes... the age old "fair fight is pointless" argument. Sure, if your entire purpose is to create a powersphere great enough to dominate the game so you can sit in circles telling each other how great you are, then yes going into a fair fight is pointless.

However, if your purpose is to create some atmosphere of uncertainty about war or to create an atmosphere where war is more abundant so there is more activity in this world, fighting to break apart the powershperes and allow for more dynamic war structure that doesn't rely on who can pull the most treaties is actually more useful and productive.

So the real question is what do you want to do? Sit in a circle jerking chains on how awesome you are, or actually playing the game and proving how great you are?

My dear friend from Rose makes thoughtful points, rare on here these days.  So I'll respond before taking off for another couple months of ignoring the OWF.

1) Dwynn suggests fair fights don't create a superpowersphere.

2) Dwynn suggests uncertainty and abundant war is desirable.  

I understand the motives behind your statement.  I too, would like to be able to go toe-to-toe with an equally-sized opponent over an issue rather than getting into repeated globals with the entire game on a side, which require longer downtimes for preparation, and are almost always more destructive for both sides.  Superpowerspheres have always limited the options in play for smaller alliances.

However, psychology, political science, and economics IRL all make it abundantly clear that human nature hates both uncertainty and abundant war, especially war with high losses.  We desire the ability to engage in smaller wars.  That requires less protection.  But as soon as ONE alliance began signing another alliance to a treaty to fight a third, that Eden was over, and we all left the garden.  The slide toward hegemonic spheres is almost inevitable without adjusted game mechanics to make it less attractive.  I'd agree that in a game, fluidity, change, and an ability to have an immediate, observable effect on your surrounds is desirable in gameplay to preserve interest and activity.

In other words, take a large part of the politics out of the game, or reset it/level it at intervals.

But I think you need a different game for that, unless Alex makes some massive changes...in which case it's already going to be a different game.

Hit me up on discord if you want to talk polisci, human nature, economics, and psychology!  Y'all have a fun war.

[Dusty]

5 minutes ago, CitrusK said:

~snip~

I feel like your forgetting a few things when you try to state that this is a dogpile.

 

Please feel free to share the average city counts for both sides, feel like that will better reflect the member counts, and ya missed a few alliances on each side, as well you missed that you guys hit several unmiltarized alliances while being war torn and crying "we still have postive damadge" no shit ya do there's nothing to burn. Stop !@#$ing about it be a dog pile and face the war ya started.

[Prophet of Profit]

1 minute ago, Vent said:

Nobody 'called us in', this war has nothing to do with BK's war. It literally says that in our DoW. ?

 

@TheRebelManimgflip.com

[Itachi]

Just now, ArcKnox said:

We only have your word on that, and right now your word is worth less than a weimar paper mark

We'll let ya know when your opinion on the worth of our word is a concern of ours.