Popular Post Squeegee Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 7 hours ago, Roquentin said: I'll start with SK. SK was initially enthusiatic about hitting Mensa. TKR hit them and we couldn't beat TKR right away. We started pushing up and it just wasn't good enough and they refused to play ball with the strategy we had going. They undermined coalition morale especially Mikey, barely fought, and then pulled out. Squeegee then went on Thalmor's radio show to shittalk me and IQ. Seeker and I went on later on to fire back at SK's lack of willingness to fully participate past round one. SK canceled Zodiac and then plots against us because Seeker and I criticized them and uses this as their rationale to lie to their MD level ally Polar about their intentions. That's not going away. If you're going to put my name out on the forums, at least make sure you do it without going through the spin cycle first. Let's start with the actual signing of Zodiac. It was very clear that they only intended to sign us to throw us into the war on your side. That was made evident when, the day after we proposed the treaty, they asked us to hit Mensa in an offensive strike. Our logic at the time was that we'll end up in that war anyways so we might as well enter on the offensive front and likely be supported by IQ. Our blitz on Mensa partnered with Zodiac was more than enough to keep them tied down until TKR entered against us 130 vs 35 with more than enough capabilities to cover our entire tiering at that point. When SK was drowning and we asked for help, all we got was "VE has wars with TKR too". Since both of us were getting pubstomped with no real plan to handle TKR and, by extension, bail us out, we decided to exit the war after a month of waiting for a real plan. During my radio interview with Thalmor, I remember Seeker confronting me about our early exit and being upset that we weren't dedicated to the war. I very clearly explained to Seeker that we weren't dedicated to a war in which we received no support. What we were supposed to do? Meat shield for a bunch of alliances who had no intentions helping us? Meat shield for alliances that we had no interest in garnering political capitol with and that we owed nothing to? I very distinctly remember the circle jerks in that server and, by god, it was the last thing I ever wanted to be apart of. So yes, maybe I was a little upset with the IQ coalition during that radio show but I think our actions were entirely justified due to the piss poor handling of that war by IQ and our lack of desire to help you push your agenda. To claim that we cancelled Zodiac just to plot against you for your criticism is a little too flattering for both of you. Nor was that the rationale behind lying to Polaris, which admittedly isn't my greatest move. However, we plotted against IQ because your consolidation was in no way healthy for the game, amassing the entire active lower tier and encroaching your way into the middle tier was nothing more than a choke hold. As an alliance leader, my ultimate goal is to ensure the health of this game remains dynamic and interesting for all players, not just for my own community. This seems to be lost on many alliance leaders, who look to "win" the game. This cementing of power is absolutely atrocious and will lead to nothing but a dead game. What happens when you do win, when you become untouchable, when you police the game to ensure that your alliance stays? Activity dies, players give up but, hey - at least you're number one right? Number one in a game where no one remains active due to your actions? Sounds amazing. These most recent actions by NPO have done nothing but re-solidify my beliefs that not only are you out here for your personal gain but that you truly don't care about the consequences of your actions. Good luck with creating your future hegemony. 18 Quote I'm just procrastinating for a paper I have to write at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, Squeegee said: However, we plotted against IQ because your consolidation was in no way healthy for the game, amassing the entire active lower tier and encroaching your way into the middle tier was nothing more than a choke hold. As an alliance leader, my ultimate goal is to ensure the health of this game remains dynamic and interesting for all players, not just for my own community. This seems to be lost on many alliance leaders, who look to "win" the game. This cementing of power is absolutely atrocious and will lead to nothing but a dead game. What happens when you do win, when you become untouchable, when you police the game to ensure that your alliance stays? Activity dies, players give up but, hey - at least you're number one right? Number one in a game where no one remains active due to your actions? Sounds amazing. These most recent actions by NPO have done nothing but re-solidify my beliefs that not only are you out here for your personal gain but that you truly don't care about the consequences of your actions. Good luck with creating your future hegemony. Yet its okay to amass consolidation when you do it? Upper tier consolidation isnt killing the game, but lower/middle is? So as an alliance leader your view of dynamic is getting a coalition of multiple spheres together to take down BK-sphere. Im sorry but this is what alliances who try to consolidate their power do. No one either looks to "win" this game. They compete to the best of their abilities. If the others can't compete that is on them to work harder to bring the dominant side down. The thing that will kill the game is people giving up because one alliance or the other is on top at some point. The dominant alliance has changed so many times in P&W. Heck NPO, who you say is in it to win it has only reigned since Knightfall. 1 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasky Darkfire Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yet its okay to amass consolidation when you do it? Upper tier consolidation isnt killing the game, but lower/middle is? So as an alliance leader your view of dynamic is getting a coalition of multiple spheres together to take down BK-sphere. Im sorry but this is what alliances who try to consolidate their power do. No one either looks to "win" this game. They compete to the best of their abilities. If the others can't compete that is on them to work harder to bring the dominant side down. The thing that will kill the game is people giving up because one alliance or the other is on top at some point. The dominant alliance has changed so many times in P&W. Heck NPO, who you say is in it to win it has only reigned since Knightfall. I can't tell if you're arguing for the Coalition forces or against? Two Blocs who where perfectly content knocking the shit out of one another, at least I was having a blast, get these logs about a probably the largest and somewhat dominant alliances making a plot to attack them, and then decide "Ya know. Instead of fighting each other about this, maybe we should team up" still at a disadvantage, "and roll into these guys instead of waiting for them to try and powerhouse their way in." So yes. In the face of massive odds against, it's pretty dynamic to charge at an enemy that handed out a CB on a silver platter. Ignoring all the other drama. No one's giving up because one alliance or another is on top. If anyone's giving up, it's because these people keep proving over and over that despite the opposition, they still dance to the same song and tune as they always have. Which is boring as shit. Like, cmon kids, that's enough of the cha-cha slide, please learn the douggie, or at least the boot scoot boogie. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Pasky Darkfire said: I can't tell if you're arguing for the Coalition forces or against? Two Blocs who where perfectly content knocking the shit out of one another, at least I was having a blast, get these logs about a probably the largest and somewhat dominant alliances making a plot to attack them, and then decide "Ya know. Instead of fighting each other about this, maybe we should team up" still at a disadvantage, "and roll into these guys instead of waiting for them to try and powerhouse their way in." So yes. In the face of massive odds against, it's pretty dynamic to charge at an enemy that handed out a CB on a silver platter. Ignoring all the other drama. No one's giving up because one alliance or another is on top. If anyone's giving up, it's because these people keep proving over and over that despite the opposition, they still dance to the same song and tune as they always have. Which is boring as shit. Like, cmon kids, that's enough of the cha-cha slide, please learn the douggie, or at least the boot scoot boogie. What I'm alluding to is that multi spheres the way your coalition wants them to work is not achievable. There will always be onr alliance who becomes dominant and then others will work together to take it down. If you really wanted dynamic multi spheres Chaos + Rose would have hit BK sphere and KETOG would have hit N$O. For multi spheres to work you need no collaboration between the spheres, win, lose or draw you stick to your own spheres. Collaborating with another sphere brings us back to the same old way the P&W has always operated. It's fairly reasonable to predict Chaos, KETOG and Rose together, with the advantage of first strike will overcome BK-sphere. You have the upper tier advantage and overall the better activity in your membership. There is no "against massive odds", you were odds on favourites when you attacked. At this stage it doesn't look like anyone has changed the tune they dance to. In my opinion the best way for real dynamic multi spheres would be to draw spheres out of a hat or similar. So in example you'd have one pot of whale tier alliances, one pot of mid tier alliances and one pot of lower tier alliances. Every sphere gets one of each. It is then up to you to develop Protectorates to strengthen your sphere. Ultimately this would fail too, because people will never let grudges go. The same people who hate NPO/BK/KT/etc will always hate them as has been proven over time. That's not to add to the fact people will leave alliances to go to different alliances which will likely alter the balance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcKnox Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 NPO: At this stage it doesn't look like anyone has changed the tune they dance to. Also NPO: We're still going to plot with/pledge to defend BK 2 1 Quote Praise Dio. Every !@#$ing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macharius Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, Tiberius said: For multi spheres to work you need no collaboration between the spheres, win, lose or draw you stick to your own spheres. Collaborating with another sphere brings us back to the same old way the P&W has always operated. I think you’re saying that collaborating with an alliance in a war is as bad as signing treaties with that alliance? In which case, does Arrrgh! just not exist to you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spaceman Thrax Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) So here's a (new?) question for NPO people. Let's say that I'm willing to understand that rather than a faith-based, ideologically aligned sense of being allied, which is my personal preference, there is also a more calculating, transactional style of dealing with agreements that is governed more by explicit agreements. Let's say, for purposes of the question I'm posing here, both are valid, and NPO's style is more like the latter, and that's ok. Was it not then a violation of your intelligence clauses with t$ and Horsemen (for example) to allow them to enter into a global conflict while deliberately withholding information that pertained directly to the military and political ramifications of that entry? Even when I try to wrap my head around a more NPO-style gameplay it still seems obvious to me that your alliance is disingenuous and inconsistent. Edited June 29, 2019 by Spaceman Thrax 8 1 Quote Slaughter the shits of the world. They poison the air you breathe. ~ William S. Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, ArcKnox said: NPO: At this stage it doesn't look like anyone has changed the tune they dance to. Also NPO: We're still going to plot with/pledge to defend BK Continue the circle jerk all you like. It's water off a ducks back to me. It's still stands true that no matter how much you talk about wanting multi spheres, your one opportunity to prove that you collaborated with another sphere. I get that in the logs they spoke about hitting chaos and spoke about trying to get another sphere to hit KETOG. I also get that it is your right to team up to hit the ones who were driving those plots. Ultimately it's not the dynamic mini sphere idea you all allude to. Since we broke with BK we haven't plotted with them on anything. Sure us hitting TKR by default helps BK. It's just the way the chips fall. 11 minutes ago, Macharius said: I think you’re saying that collaborating with an alliance in a war is as bad as signing treaties with that alliance? In which case, does Arrrgh! just not exist to you? Well it is exactly like having an MDP or MDoAP with each other if you collaborate in a war. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macharius Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Well it is exactly like having an MDP or MDoAP with each other if you collaborate in a war. So by this logic, again, Arrrgh! has an MDP/MDoAP with everyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Macharius said: So by this logic, again, Arrrgh! has an MDP/MDoAP with everyone? If you are collaborating on a war with someone it is essentially like having an MDP/MDoAP with them. I'm not saying it carries over after the war. Arghh is really a completely different alliance though that doesn't play politics in anyway the same as the vast majority of alliances. They are essentially an anomaly rather than be comparable in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasky Darkfire Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 39 minutes ago, Tiberius said: It's still stands true that no matter how much you talk about wanting multi spheres, your one opportunity to prove that you collaborated with another sphere. I get that in the logs they spoke about hitting chaos and spoke about trying to get another sphere to hit KETOG. I also get that it is your right to team up to hit the ones who were driving those plots. Ultimately it's not the dynamic mini sphere idea you all allude to. Since we broke with BK we haven't plotted with them on anything. Sure us hitting TKR by default helps BK. It's just the way the chips fall. Two Spheres that said they had basically nothing to do with one another anymore, NPO and BK, who broke treaties with one another to try and do something different go right back to the same old thing. But Chaos and Kettogg, who where separate BLOCS, who fought a war against one another before all this, with no previous collaboration defend themselves against a threat that presented itself. Okay, bud. Keep drinking that Flavor-aid, because whew. Also. Those two statements contradict one another. "We never plotted anything with them on anything" But you just said about the two spheres collaborating to hit two blocs. Like. Pick one, my friend. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durmij Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 I love how this thread has basically dissolved into Roq dropping peoples names and them having to come back to the forums to set the record straight. Glad to see I'm not the only one who has to endure this. 1 4 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan1 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) Are we really using arguments with Mensa, VE, and Zodiac in them? We're bringing back arguments from Trail of fricking Tiers? How are plots from 2 years ago relevant to this current war, in 2019? Edited June 29, 2019 by Ryan1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Ryan1 said: Are we really starting arguments with Mensa, VE, and Zodiac in them? We're bringing back arguments from Trail of fricking Tiers? How are plots from 2 years ago relevant to this current war, in 2019? Clearly, NPO brought back IQ for that continuity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 24 minutes ago, Pasky Darkfire said: Two Spheres that said they had basically nothing to do with one another anymore, NPO and BK, who broke treaties with one another to try and do something different go right back to the same old thing. But Chaos and Kettogg, who where separate BLOCS, who fought a war against one another before all this, with no previous collaboration defend themselves against a threat that presented itself. Okay, bud. Keep drinking that Flavor-aid, because whew. Also. Those two statements contradict one another. "We never plotted anything with them on anything" But you just said about the two spheres collaborating to hit two blocs. Like. Pick one, my friend. Did you even read what I posted or do you simply skim and make up the rest? BK-sphere discussing trying to get N$O to fight a war with KETOG does not mean N$O plotted with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan1 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Sure us hitting TKR by default helps BK. It's just the way the chips fall. Oh god, here NPO goes again, claiming that they weren't trying to help BK and it's just coincidence or their own war or whatever shit they want to say now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Thrax Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 13 hours ago, Roquentin said: Let's move on to CoS, so there's Manthrax, you know how he's always felt, yes? So then we have Ripper, Ripper has always been semi-hostile and would troll us consistently and without prompting. "Let's see how you do if we get people to mass blockade" was one of his previous lines. Ripper during the war revealed he never had fighting upper tier consolidation as his goal so I'm left wondering what his goals were, and earlier tried to argue TKR would never give into anything, then immediately after the war , he tried to make me to do something FA-wise in which he was not a principal party. Of course, anyone would stall at such a scenario especially when he declined participation. As i did not do what CoS wanted,they went to allying our enemy when allying us was off the table. Keep in mind before the war we had several overtures from TCW and we chose to go forward with the Knightfall plan anyway, so it was clear we were being left on the hook for it all with Partisan's disappearances and Prefontaine's departure. This is coupled with the distribution of the 7.5 year old recording around CoS. My God man. If anyone other than Roq wants me to respond to any of this, hit me up. If not, feel free to file it under "the usual nonsense". 2 Quote Slaughter the shits of the world. They poison the air you breathe. ~ William S. Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betulius Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 2 hours ago, durmij said: I love how this thread has basically dissolved into Roq dropping peoples names and them having to come back to the forums to set the record straight. Glad to see I'm not the only one who has to endure this. I'm glad I'm irrelevant enough to be able to just ignore all the walls of text Quote Dec 26 18:48:22 <JacobH[Arrgh]> God your worse the grealind >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Spaceman Thrax said: My God man. If anyone other than Roq wants me to respond to any of this, hit me up. If not, feel free to file it under "the usual nonsense". Id like you to respond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin076 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) Is it just me or did anyone else notice that the leak, the war, the drama didn't start until a certain snake came out of VM..... Just moving the peices around his chess board. Edited June 29, 2019 by Justin076 3 1 Quote Chief Financial Officer of The Syndicate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasky Darkfire Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 15 hours ago, Tiberius said: BK-sphere discussing trying to get N$O to fight a war with KETOG does not mean N$O plotted with them. I'd like to know how you know that it wasn't plotted? Does NPO just let their non-gov members in on all the planning meetings? Because those leaked logs didn't look to me like just idle chatter and discussions. That was a pretty well fleshed out plan of action. With a date of attack. Which implies active participation in the plotting, or "Discussions." I'd really believe you that it was just BK-sphere discussing trying to get N$O to fight if it wasn't for a couple of things. 1. The plan wasn't fleshed out with targets and listing who was hitting who, and 2. There wasn't a date listed of when they where going to initiate the attack. If the leaked log was "BK and NPO should plan to hit Chaos and Kettogg lol" and some back and forth about who could take who and whatever, I'd say it was idle discussion about a possible future war sometime later in the year or whatever. But as soon as Targets where posted and dates where assigned, someone plotted with someone. Maybe you just weren't privvy to the "discussions." Also, arguing word choices is lol. Me skimming your writing is pretty accurate because you've now suggested drawing spheres out of a hat, Do we use marbles for that?, for some reason. And that everyone has an MDP with everyone while they collaborate in wars. Arrgh is apparently the master of War MDPs, and you said something about water off a ducks ass. I don't know what water animals have to do with anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowthrone Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Pasky Darkfire said: I'd like to know how you know that it wasn't plotted? Does NPO just let their non-gov members in on all the planning meetings? Because those leaked logs didn't look to me like just idle chatter and discussions. That was a pretty well fleshed out plan of action. With a date of attack. Which implies active participation in the plotting, or "Discussions." I'd really believe you that it was just BK-sphere discussing trying to get N$O to fight if it wasn't for a couple of things. 1. The plan wasn't fleshed out with targets and listing who was hitting who, and 2. There wasn't a date listed of when they where going to initiate the attack. If the leaked log was "BK and NPO should plan to hit Chaos and Kettogg lol" and some back and forth about who could take who and whatever, I'd say it was idle discussion about a possible future war sometime later in the year or whatever. But as soon as Targets where posted and dates where assigned, someone plotted with someone. Maybe you just weren't privvy to the "discussions." Also, arguing word choices is lol. Me skimming your writing is pretty accurate because you've now suggested drawing spheres out of a hat, Do we use marbles for that?, for some reason. And that everyone has an MDP with everyone while they collaborate in wars. Arrgh is apparently the master of War MDPs, and you said something about water off a ducks ass. I don't know what water animals have to do with anything. I mean if our crime is that we were approached, guilty as charged, similar to how almost every sphere approached us to roll someone or the other. If the plan was fleshed out to have us, this would be the first I am hearing of it, given there has been zero contact with tCW and the rest of tC regarding the war plans. As someone privy to those discussions, it’s quite easy to answer your speculation with regards to their approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasky Darkfire Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 42 minutes ago, Shadowthrone said: If the plan was fleshed out to have us, this would be the first I am hearing of it, given there has been zero contact with tCW and the rest of tC regarding the war plans. As someone privy to those discussions, it’s quite easy to answer your speculation with regards to their approach. Ohhhh. I've made it past the bootlicker and gotten someone attached to a boot. Cool. As someone who was privy to such discussion, how did they approach you? I feel like they wouldn't do it in the regular way like everyone else would. tCW leaked the plans, but given my impression of them from the... the massive amount vitriol in the forums, I would doubt that the plans were originally theirs. But who leaked the plans isn't who approached you, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan77 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, Tiberius said: Yet its okay to amass consolidation when you do it? Upper tier consolidation isnt killing the game, but lower/middle is? So as an alliance leader your view of dynamic is getting a coalition of multiple spheres together to take down BK-sphere. Im sorry but this is what alliances who try to consolidate their power do. No one either looks to "win" this game. They compete to the best of their abilities. If the others can't compete that is on them to work harder to bring the dominant side down. The thing that will kill the game is people giving up because one alliance or the other is on top at some point. The dominant alliance has changed so many times in P&W. Heck NPO, who you say is in it to win it has only reigned since Knightfall. what upper tier consolidation? unless you're insisting that GoB, Guardian, CoS, TKR, Rose, SK are going to keep teaming up to fight when 87% of those were literally blowing the shit out of each other right before literal leaks of a war planned mid-june with target AAs listed and literally leaked mid-june???? (Also, rather stretching to call TKR upper tier, but since we have one, I'll include it) To reiterate, the problem with BK sphere+N$O being allied is that each of those spheres has more cities, members, etc than Chaos+KETOG+Rose combined. If you can't count, I'm sorry, but I can't help you there. 23 hours ago, Tiberius said: What I'm alluding to is that multi spheres the way your coalition wants them to work is not achievable. There will always be onr alliance who becomes dominant and then others will work together to take it down. If you really wanted dynamic multi spheres Chaos + Rose would have hit BK sphere and KETOG would have hit N$O. For multi spheres to work you need no collaboration between the spheres, win, lose or draw you stick to your own spheres. Collaborating with another sphere brings us back to the same old way the P&W has always operated. It's fairly reasonable to predict Chaos, KETOG and Rose together, with the advantage of first strike will overcome BK-sphere. You have the upper tier advantage and overall the better activity in your membership. There is no "against massive odds", you were odds on favourites when you attacked. At this stage it doesn't look like anyone has changed the tune they dance to. In my opinion the best way for real dynamic multi spheres would be to draw spheres out of a hat or similar. So in example you'd have one pot of whale tier alliances, one pot of mid tier alliances and one pot of lower tier alliances. Every sphere gets one of each. It is then up to you to develop Protectorates to strengthen your sphere. Ultimately this would fail too, because people will never let grudges go. The same people who hate NPO/BK/KT/etc will always hate them as has been proven over time. That's not to add to the fact people will leave alliances to go to different alliances which will likely alter the balance. So, we have you shooting down something that hasn't even been tried because of you. Congrats, that's like shooting yourself in the foot and then complaining about a bullet being in your foot. Also, why is KETOG hitting N$O at that point? the leaks suggested N$O in on KETOG, but no assigned targets and dates unlike BK sphere. We literally collaborated with KETOG (jesus frick, you have me defending KT in public, which still tastes like barf) because Chaos+Rose+KETOG has fewer cities, members, etc than BK sphere alone. From a pure numbers perspective, we shouldn't be able to win this at all. Clap, clap. You're own econ program, which I have been on record for years now is going to lower your activity and stifle your growth, thereby literally resulting in this exact situation, has in fact resulted in this exact situation. So, either change your econ program, or stop complaining about the results of said program. I said this exact same thing in NPO's first time when NPO folk were complaining on the forums about activity differences. Nearly 3 years later, and I get to say it again. It's almost like people don't learn from history. drawing spheres out of hat wouldn't work at all, unless it happened to result in spheres that could trust, cooperate with, and like each other (unlikely and improbable tbh). That being said, that doesn't make it impossible for multiple spheres to work. Take for example the situation before NPO and especially before T$ entered this particular war. We had functionally 3 spheres (and more logistically, at least 5, as KETOG, Rose, and chaos are teaming up to deal with a direct threat to their existence, which was shown in a leak with targets and a planned blitz period of mid-june getting dropped in mid-june and were literally beating each other up for a month before that) of chaos+Rose+KETOG, N$O, and BK-sphere. If N$O had stayed out completely, which many of us here have established as the most economically and politically advantageous move for N$O, no matter who wins, we would indeed have at minimum a 3 sphere world, any suspicion of IQ continuing would've died (despite the polaris ODoAP), and we would have a multisphere system. Instead, because of NPO entering, all of that died. (Hell, T$ entering was problematic for that narrative surviving, but if they stuck to Guardian and Grumpy as their war dec stated, it probably would've survived) Edited June 30, 2019 by japan77 2 Quote I don't sleep enough Also, I am an Keynesian Utilitarian Lastly, Hello world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan77 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) double post. Edited June 30, 2019 by japan77 accidental double post Quote I don't sleep enough Also, I am an Keynesian Utilitarian Lastly, Hello world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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