Popular Post Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted May 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) Welcome to the first ever edition of Akuryo News Network! Why didn't i use Shifty? Cause i did all the work and this is bigger than anything shifty has ever had! Lets start with a story. The other day, a bored friend came to me and said "I saw multis on pooballs' ID! I didn't get to screencap before they disappeared though!" Intrigued, i went to Nova and began checking every gov member, and then every member. Surely enough, no multis on pooballs account at that time. However the two nations they claimed to have seen on his unique ID were both sharing an ID themselves, which prompted me to search for others. In my search for these multis i checked every war, trade and bank transaction. One of them i stumbled across some odd trading behavior. This 109 day old nation at 10 cities was repeatedly, in the span of an hour, sending and receiving MILLIONS of resources to 2 other players, both low tiered, one was also 109 days old, the other - and the main account in this, Grather, was 108 days old. The bank transactions for the other 2 were nothing special. On Grather though, something stood out. Five dates. 4/6, 4/8, 4/14, 4/16 and 4/27. On all of these days, Grather desposited massive amounts of resources, culminating on 4/28 when he deposited 7.5-10m of every resource. Though the trade logs expire and only go back to 4/14, which show the same strange behavior as 4/27, someone i asked about this showed me the World Graphs for resources. https://politicsandwar.com/world-graphs/graphID=14 The average daily input seems to be around 250-380k ever day, at least for gas. Yet on every date i have mentioned, they all spike above 2m, and 4/27-4/28 has a spike of 7.5+ on every resource, doubling the amount of some raws. What was furthermore interesting is that pooball received bank wires on these same days for large amounts of resources. On 4/28, he received half of everything that magically spawned and was deposited by Grather, and infact sent by Grather himself, while the others were sent by The North 14. Checking him, he too, received the other half on 4/28 that pooball did not. Naturally i collected screenshots and confronted pooball, who claimed to have no idea it was happening, and played no part. The conversation, as well as the 96 other screencaps, including a text file that documents the value of generated resources and total (the world graph suggests they are all separate and dont add up to 4/28, meaning the total value is just shy of 209bn), are available here https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1YGQcpXDhxtAyktkqeArUmzNnyAITwyWu?usp=sharing By now, these resources are everywhere. If your nation or alliance has purchased resources from Nova, or probably almost any distributor, you've likely bought some of these. Now despite what it looks like, and my own opinion obviously stated in the logs, it should be noted from Alex: A final note here, after the intiial conversation logs your reporter here did attempt to extort some of these resources, with the intent of quietly slipping them to KETOG and Pantheon with a note of their origin. Nova Riata has not given anything to me or anyone else under any sort of threat to my knowledge, and attempts to do this since the conversation screenshots have not occurred. EDIT: @Dio Brando for the greatest Owl ever. #Diowl We're currently waiting on final word on Alex, until then, decide for yourselves what this means. Edited May 31, 2019 by Akuryo 3 58 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ayayay Posted May 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) >inb4 55 day rollback Nice to see morgan didn't fall off the horse after terradoxia and is back at it with the spawning Edited May 31, 2019 by Malal 1 7 3 Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Fighting exploiters before it was cool 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGhost Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thalmor Posted May 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Malal said: >inb4 55 day rollback No, a rollback is to radical. If these allegations are true, then the only 'fix' is for all of NR to be banned. Seeing as how the KETOG coalition has looted these 'tainted material' during the war, then it's only fair if all KETOG members are also banned. 4 12 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyubnyan Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Terradoxia 2.0 wew lad. 1 Quote Humans cannot create anything out of nothingness. Humans cannot accomplish anything without holding onto something. After all, humans are not gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 this is cool and all, but can nova tell me why kids love the taste of cinammon toast crunch? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artifex Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 I demand we're given a week before the rollback for a global FFA. 1 4 Quote Love you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khai Jäger Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Pantheon wins, gg. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynder Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 I am surprised nobody has noticed this sooner, not only has Nova recuperated from Knightfall as roadkill, they exploded into a protectorate that quickly became a superpower lol 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post War Hawk Posted May 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Windseeker said: I am surprised nobody has noticed this sooner, not only has Nova recuperated from Knightfall as roadkill, they exploded into a protectorate that quickly became a superpower lol 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frawley Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) Plenty of people noticed the bump, but because bank to bank transfers are hidden generally it took people a long time to track down. I asked Alpha/Spanish Amarda on if they had come back with a massive bank on the day of the jump, and we started searching after that. Full credit to @Akuryo though for delivering proper evidence. Edited May 31, 2019 by Frawley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cynder Posted May 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2019 Just now, War Hawk said: Hmm, interesting. It's like the IRS ignoring that jobless dude with the shiny Hummer lmao 1 12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Reminds me of a time when us in TEst took a little trip to Terradoxia 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) it's really disgusting that you tried to blackmail people for your own personal gain (and your friend's gain) than tell the community for the general health of the game, and when that failed you posted this just my two cents tho Edited May 31, 2019 by chanel 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted May 31, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, chanel said: it's really disgusting that you tried to blackmail people for your own personal gain (and your friend's gain) than tell the community for the general health of the game, and when that failed you posted this just my two cents tho Pantheon are definitely not friends of mine. I like KETOG but I don't know many from there. There's a very high and real chance this is cheating, and if you honestly think it's disgusting and evil to extort cheaters and forward their ill-gotten gains to those they've attacked and adversely affected with them, I think your moral compass is broken. That's just my two cents though. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katashimon13 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Just now, Akuryo said: Pantheon are definitely not friends of mine. lessthanbackslashthree rawr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dio Brando Posted May 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) I was made aware of this about 1.5 days ago, and since I have been waiting for Alex to respond. Given that he was moving houses, the delay in answering this was understandable. A few words: Almost everyone who was made aware of the graphs noticed it. I, Frawley, and a few others in-game noticed the sheer amount of raws Nova was selling under market rates. But that wasn't enough. Initially, we assumed it was players coming out of vacation mode, but that was very clearly not it. We kept an eye on a few suspicious players, but never quite made the connection with Nova. The credit for all that goes to @Akuryo and their friend, who noticed something was up. You could think of three things: That everyone in Orbis suddenly decided to produce resources. This was ruled out because it wasn't one resource increasing in count so immensely, but almost all of them, That VMers came out, but the sheer amount of resources that suddenly spawned in and the fact that we checked some bank details of AAs directly contradicted this possibility, The graphs were bugged, but if they were bugged you'd see even greater oscillations, not just one spike. We also have logs of NR's leader, Pooball, receiving a massive, massive amount of resources the same day this occurred. Knowing this, it was easy to see that there was something incredibly wrong. Just to show you how ridiculous this was, this is the spike: This is the graph for the past few days: The contrast is clear. World Graphs: Whoever checked resource counts knew something was wrong. It was especially noticeable in raw graphs. If you go to the iron graph, for example, you see iron's amount jumping from 15.2m units to 25.14m units. That was an insane jump, blatant in its anomalous state, and even more suspicious when you took into consideration the spikes that were coming before it. You can see it in the image below: Initially, people merely glossed over manufactured resources because the jump in their graphs was far less blatant. Why? Because the percentual increase (impacting the gradient directly), was far less in magnitude. Below is the aluminum graph: Of-course, this didn't mean NR did it, and many of us didn't truly track the trades enough to figure out where things were coming from. Thankfully, @Akuryo did the heavy lifting anyway. The bank logs below paint a clearer picture, but are merely a fraction of what was going on: To find a compilation of screencaps in their entirety, go to the link the OP provided. Aside from this, however, there are a few points of interest. As soon as Pooball got to know, the nations that were involved deleted. The last disbanded their bank and moved to NR However, the contents of the game did not go down. This can be seen in the second graph shown in this post. This is the last nation disbanding the bank: Perhaps what is tangentially relevant though no less amusing is the amount of parallels this situation has to the Terradoxia problem two years ago, but that really is only where things start taking a turn for the more amusing side. Morgan, a player who many suspected even then, but was never conclusively proven to have been involved, is currently a member of NR. While I will not claim that he is involved, and I can certainly believe that it is a coincidence, it is not a good look. The problem, however, isn't simply that they spawned these resources. It's that they were actively selling these raws. Presumably, almost everyone who wanted resources at low-rates, at some point in time or the other, bought them. The resources were effectively disseminated across the game. In that sense, this transcends political considerations, or friendships even. To actually "fix" this and take all resources out of the system, they would need to roll the servers back. That is problematic for very self explanatory reasons. Moreover, we don't know whether the jump between 27th and 28th April was the only incident of this happening. The ~1-2m bumps imply that it was not. I have more to type but, despite the fact that I've realized I can hold my liquor better than I thought, this whole situation is fricked up, and makes me royally pissed off. This doesn't "conclusively" prove anything, but by God does it point more than just a few fingers at NR. Whatever it is, I hope Alex can provide clarity. Edited May 31, 2019 by Dio Brando 4 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted May 31, 2019 Author Share Posted May 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, katashimon13 said: lessthanbackslashthree rawr No offense rawr, but I don't know anyone there anymore and I haven't been very nice to pantheon, I figured the feelings were mutual ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katashimon13 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Akuryo said: I haven't been very nice to pantheon same rawr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Akuryo said: Pantheon are definitely not friends of mine. I like KETOG but I don't know many from there. There's a very high and real chance this is cheating, and if you honestly think it's disgusting and evil to extort cheaters and forward their ill-gotten gains to those they've attacked and adversely affected with them, I think your moral compass is broken. That's just my two cents though. No but you'd rather sweep it under the rug and blackmail the cheaters. You didn't want everyone to know until Nova didn't cooperate. Of course I think cheaters should get fricked over, by being banned. You wanted to give everyone else an unfair advantage by giving stolen resources to people you like. You're just as complicit as the people who exploited the game themselves 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dio Brando Posted May 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, chanel said: No but you'd rather sweep it under the rug and blackmail the cheaters. You didn't want everyone to know until Nova didn't cooperate. Of course I think cheaters should get fricked over, by being banned. You wanted to give everyone else an unfair advantage by giving stolen resources to people you like. You're just as complicit as the people who exploited the game themselves This is incorrect. I was told about this before Pooball ever replied, and the plan to publish it was there. This comes not after their lack of desire to 'cooperate', but a conversation with Alex. This is exactly the type of thing we both agreed should not be swept under the rug, and announced publicly because this has affected the community as a whole, not just one player/alliance, or two, or ten. Every alliance that has players that actively trade profited from this. This is fact. Edited May 31, 2019 by Dio Brando 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted May 31, 2019 Author Share Posted May 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, chanel said: No but you'd rather sweep it under the rug and blackmail the cheaters. You didn't want everyone to know until Nova didn't cooperate. Of course I think cheaters should get fricked over, by being banned. You wanted to give everyone else an unfair advantage by giving stolen resources to people you like. You're just as complicit as the people who exploited the game themselves Nice theory, but... 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betulius Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 30 minutes ago, Dio Brando said: Perhaps what is tangentially relevant though no less amusing is the amount of parallels this situation has to the Terradoxia problem two years ago, but that really is only where things start taking a turn for the more amusing side. *four years christ I'm old Why do I still play this, again? 2 1 3 Quote Dec 26 18:48:22 <JacobH[Arrgh]> God your worse the grealind >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyubnyan Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Just now, Betulius said: *four years christ I'm old Why do I still play this, again? Wow yeah, 2015 gg. Quote Humans cannot create anything out of nothingness. Humans cannot accomplish anything without holding onto something. After all, humans are not gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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