Dio Brando Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 (edited) I’m not agreeing with SRD here, but calling that a ‘meltdown’ is a bit much, given the crap we see around these parts. Edited April 19, 2019 by Dio Brando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kevanovia Posted April 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2019 Im just gonna leave this here: 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectral Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 51 minutes ago, Malleator said: You really think Orbis at large would sit idly by while you guys dog piled peripherals to your heart's content? The only reason why it's not happening right now is because it's seemingly limited and Chaos is playing watch dog. I think they have before and will again. And if you think otherwise, I think you're naive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ripper Posted April 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: good on fark and wtf for not being upset about getting hit out of the blue, and then having to listen to the people that hit them that its a fair and even fight. I remember when Sparta tried that against grumpy, they even spouted that whole even war thing because our unmilitarized cities we were bigger then them. Then because screw you for hitting us, I called in every single ally I had to roll the shit out of them. 2 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: You were able to plan and launch an attack against an unsuspecting opponent, in a game were establishing early control is the best way to win. On top of using your allies to prevent then from getting help. Holy shit, I just looked at the numbers, I assumed you guys had a 2-1 disadvantage the way you were talking, they have 52 members, you have 45... So like 98% of every other war on orbis, this one was over before you launched the first attack. Regarding the militarization part... Ronny, being unmilitarized is... their fault I think? Take your nation for example. Once the previous global war ended, you built to your nice 10k infra per city and had literary zero military, not even aircraft. Not just you personally. A lot of members of your alliance too. It would have sucked if someone had taken the chance to hit you again, but it wouldn't be their fault. It would be yours. Even now you have 1.5k aircraft, to make that extra valuable $700k per day. Regarding the "unsuspecting" part... Again, it's up to an alliance to have a proper network of spies, diplomants and friends to acquire information. When a group isolates itself (and I am not talking about treaties here, but about interactions and member-to-member or alliance-to-alliance backroom deals), this is not always possible. Let's take again you for example, at the previous war. You knew the day of the blitz and (most of) the attackers. Did you get an official invitation or warning? I suspect not. Specifically in Fark's case, Fark got spy attacks and people were caught almost a week before the blitz and I do know quite a few people linked to the attacked alliances knew about it. 2 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: Just admit what everyone with half a brain already knows, you started a war that you guys knew you would have almost no chance of losing. It's ok Rebel, everyone does it. Since you only took under consideration the number of nations at each side, here is the stats that dear @Avakael kindly provided in another thread but you probably missed. I think the stats (and the fact that there nations that were not even touched during the blitz) pretty much prove there were chances for a proper counter from Fark and WTF without having to bring another alliance with 30 nations on the field. In any case, you might be right. I cannot wait for you though to declare a nice war, with balanced numbers and a warning a week or so ago before your blitz. Well... when you max your planes at least. Till then, no one will attack you of course, since it would be unfair attacking an alliance that doesn't have max planes to make extra cash and leaves its militarization to their allies. Why spend money on military and not make extra cash when you can leave that to your allies, right? 7 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smith Posted April 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2019 6 hours ago, Kevanovia said: It’s nice having you guys come out of your slumber and onto the forums, but based on the content of your post - you have a lot to catch up on. Enjoy a fresh bowl of Soup while you do some further research! Happy fighting! Don't try to hide the truth Kev Though it goes deeper than even you know 3 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbas Mehdi Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Very deep Quote I am not a member of Guardian p&w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betulius Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Dio Brando said: I’m not agreeing with SRD here, but calling that a ‘meltdown’ is a bit much, given the crap we see around these parts. Yeah, this is downright calm for SRD. 1 1 1 Quote Dec 26 18:48:22 <JacobH[Arrgh]> God your worse the grealind >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorcock Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 17 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: good on fark and wtf for not being upset about getting hit out of the blue, and then having to listen to the people that hit them that its a fair and even fight. I remember when Sparta tried that against grumpy, they even spouted that whole even war thing because our unmilitarized cities we were bigger then them. Then because screw you for hitting us, I called in every single ally I had to roll the shit out of them. You seem to be incredibly stupid for a guy who has been playing a long time. Must be that “whale mindset” WTFARK v Soup is fair, they’ve got the numbers, cities, production, economic advantage. While all we have is the first strike. If WTFARK is smart they can redeem themselves second round. Also, your new allies KT/TGH. Yeah those two surprise attacked TRF. Saying the fight would’ve been more fair had TRF had known? Also, don’t sign an ally that practices surprise attacks. You’re going against whatever you believe in by doing so. If you truly think these attacks are for “cowards” than why did you buddy up with them? Is it to protect your pixels? Do you really need a heads up before you’re attacked so you can go into VM? WTFARK would have beat and dragged the shit out of Soup if they had known, everybody in Soup acknowledges this. This is the only way we could’ve gotten a fair fight, and if WTFARK isn’t being salty, this reinforces that they also agree and think this is a fair fight. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 15 hours ago, Kevanovia said: Im just gonna leave this here: Did you just make that for me? do i need to be a VIP to make that my background song? That is nice work by you! Rips, I saw the tiering, and it doesnt really matter much when you are hitting an unsuspecting mostly inactive alliance. as for the entire middle part of your message, it has nothing to do with the point I am trying to make that everyone is trying so hard to avoid acknowledging, which is again that calling this fight even is silly. Did fark and wtf make themselves targets by not having allies and being fully militarized, I agree. (hint its why soup chose to hit them, because they weren't ready to fight, they have historically proven to be poor fighters, so soup knew they could have a low risk practice war that they would have a high probability to win, which is the point I have been making all along.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevanovia Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 37 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: Did you just make that for me? do i need to be a VIP to make that my background song? That is nice work by you! @Balish is the creator of that gem. He put it out back in ~November. A classic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Kell Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) @Kevanovia @Sweeeeet Ronny D I made that exclusively for the Great Job! show. All inquiries for usage outside of that show must be made formally on my Discord. I thank you for your interest in a Keller Branding product. Together we will make Politics and War look and sound amazing. - J Kell Edited April 20, 2019 by Balish 1 Quote Listen to J Kell's new single: About The Author An early member of Roz Wei in 2015, J Kell went on to stay within the paperless world of Empyrea before signing with Soup Kitchen while scoring a record deal in 2019. J Kell went on to release multiple Orbis Top 40 hits. In 2020, J Kell took a break from Orbis. He's back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegoz Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Gatorcock said: You seem to be incredibly stupid for a guy who has been playing a long time. Must be that “whale mindset” WTFARK v Soup is fair, they’ve got the numbers, cities, production, economic advantage. While all we have is the first strike. If WTFARK is smart they can redeem themselves second round. Also, your new allies KT/TGH. Yeah those two surprise attacked TRF. Saying the fight would’ve been more fair had TRF had known? Also, don’t sign an ally that practices surprise attacks. You’re going against whatever you believe in by doing so. If you truly think these attacks are for “cowards” than why did you buddy up with them? Is it to protect your pixels? Do you really need a heads up before you’re attacked so you can go into VM? WTFARK would have beat and dragged the shit out of Soup if they had known, everybody in Soup acknowledges this. This is the only way we could’ve gotten a fair fight, and if WTFARK isn’t being salty, this reinforces that they also agree and think this is a fair fight. We had a cb and had no intention of making it a 'fair fight', the same treatment that was dished out to us only a month prior. We didn't sell it as a fair fight either. You're comparing apples and oranges. 3 Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Honest question to Soup's leadership and to Rips who is a leader on an alliance in your bloc so I assume you all talked about this war before it began. When you were planning this out what was your assessment on your chance of victory? 70-30? 80-20? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughnuts Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: Honest question to Soup's leadership and to Rips who is a leader on an alliance in your bloc so I assume you all talked about this war before it began. When you were planning this out what was your assessment on your chance of victory? 70-30? 80-20? was more like 60-40 of the winning if Fark/WTF as always take shit loads of time to react, 70/30 them losing if for some unknown reason Fark/WTK was able to counter the same day and not 3 or 50 days after it had started. love or hate soup keep it real they are fighting a bigger number of cities, they hit first it gave them a chance to win, if Fark/WTF top nations dropped in NS they would wipe out Soup's top nations pretty quickly, then Soup would just be hitting the lower end of the tail as they wont be able to reach the head. but SRD you can help Fark/WTF if you like no one is stopping you well nothing but fear ofc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kevanovia Posted April 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: Honest question to Soup's leadership and to Rips who is a leader on an alliance in your bloc so I assume you all talked about this war before it began. When you were planning this out what was your assessment on your chance of victory? 70-30? 80-20? As many people from all sides have pointed out, this was a fair fight. The point of this war isn’t about winning or losing. It’s about doing something other than complaining about status quo. It’s about normalizing quick skirmishes. It’s about raising activity levels in multiple communities. The Soup is hot. Edited April 20, 2019 by Kevanovia 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorcock Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Keegoz said: We had a cb and had no intention of making it a 'fair fight', the same treatment that was dished out to us only a month prior. We didn't sell it as a fair fight either. You're comparing apples and oranges. I never said KT/TGH wanted a fair fight. I’m just claiming that in SRD’s perfect world, your bloc would’ve informed them ahead of time for preparation of an “even fight.” I maybe should’ve written that up better and it’s my fault for my bad wording, it’s what happens at 6am with no sleep. Gatorcock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarr Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: -snip Soup attacked numerically superior enemy and are rolling them. They did the talk and the walk. Will you do the same? Or just hide your pixels? 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedge Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: Honest question to Soup's leadership and to Rips who is a leader on an alliance in your bloc so I assume you all talked about this war before it began. lol when you realise the Soup is just a front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughnuts Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Kevanovia said: As many people from all sides have pointed out, this was a fair fight. The point of this war isn’t about winning or losing. It’s about doing something other than complaining about status quo. It’s about normalizing quick skirmishes. It’s about raising activity levels in multiple communities. The Soup is hot. Don't you just hate it when people complain nothing happens and when you do something for your own enjoyment others complain about that too. hats off to you for doing something other than complain about it 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haylz Posted April 20, 2019 Author Share Posted April 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Nexa said: Soup attacked numerically superior enemy and are rolling them. Basing this fact on?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRebelMan Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hayley said: Basing this fact on?!? Numbers I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haylz Posted April 20, 2019 Author Share Posted April 20, 2019 1 minute ago, TheRebelMan said: Numbers I think. Mhm ? I’m a mermicorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skittles Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Hayley said: Basing this fact on?!? Quote I have no idea what I'm doing but that doesn't stop me from doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Kevanovia said: As many people from all sides have pointed out, this was a fair fight. The point of this war isn’t about winning or losing. It’s about doing something other than complaining about status quo. It’s about normalizing quick skirmishes. It’s about raising activity levels in multiple communities. The Soup is hot. No it wasn't. Only a retard fights fairly. Why you may have some less than stellar intellects among you (<3 u rebel) the leadership and alliance as a whole is not retarded. As many other people have stated in this thread, it's only a fair fight if old nuke Bloc actually fights instead of going into siege mode. WTF of course went straight to siege mode and the parts of Fark that did counter waited so long to do so that by the time they did there were Soup with all their wars under control and plane buys to swat them off. I noticed they got a couple of you pretty hard before being got themselves. What makes a fight fair is not merely down to numbers you keep quoting. As said on Great Job last night, had you done this to someone else, who had more than just numbers, they would've fricked your shit. I'll personally be more impressed next time when you pick a target not full of nuke turrets where people feel unrealistic in hoping they'll resist properly. Do this to TGH and you won't need a 2v1 for it to be a "fair fight with odds slightly against us". Edited April 21, 2019 by Akuryo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Hawk Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 If anyone is interested in the numbers ~3 hours after the declaration of war: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WpLNGL5uzkryTgQJvfmIZ0oxpqGj1FATumFa-E37Zio/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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