Redarmy Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Is this Late Stage Roman Empire? Quote "Though it starts with a fist it must end with your mind." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodosius Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Redarmy said: Is this Late Stage Roman Empire? Call up Odoacer to end this suffering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegee Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 50 minutes ago, Theodosius said: Taking bets on how many days it takes for crybabies to get Sheepy to arbitrarily intervene (yet again). If Alex does this a second time then its time to riot In the streets and burn the game to the ground. (Mostly so I don’t keep playing it) 2 1 Quote I'm just procrastinating for a paper I have to write at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maia Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Theodosius Posted March 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2019 Looks like it happened sooner than I expected. Remember guys, couping is now illegal without Sheepy's permission. 3 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Theodosius said: Looks like it happened sooner than I expected. Remember guys, couping is now illegal without Sheepy's permission. Generally speaking if you really want to coup a place you should actually stick around long enough to watch things play out instead of hopping into VM. Very disappointing. Little thought put in, poor spin, and absolutely zero follow through. I give it a 2/10. Micros have done better. 3 Quote One must imagine Sisyphus happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Mother, I will undertake to do this deed, for I reverence not our father of evil name, for he first thought of doing shameful things. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Theodosius Posted March 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2019 40 minutes ago, Sisyphus said: Very disappointing. Little thought put in, poor spin, and absolutely zero follow through. I give it a 2/10. Micros have done better. Perfectly describes what was sent to Sheepy @Alex This is a hilarious plot twist lmfao 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted March 13, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2019 It's time we had an old good fashioned revolt here. Extreme admin/mod bias here. "Lemme just play God here for you" 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sketchy Posted March 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2019 12 hours ago, Theodosius said: Taking bets on how many days it takes for crybabies to get Sheepy to arbitrarily intervene (yet again). Lol that wasn't long. Seriously want to hear the reason why it was fine to intervene in game politics this time. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redarmy Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 57 minutes ago, Sketchy said: Lol that wasn't long. Seriously want to hear the reason why it was fine to intervene in game politics this time. It's not like he would change war for mechanics in the middle of a war. 1 Quote "Though it starts with a fist it must end with your mind." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ivanov Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 l o l looks like the romans had had enough of Greece Quote inb4 new spy operation “Plane Hijack” This is the 21000th post in this subform and I'm fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Epi Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) 900 Edited February 17, 2021 by Epi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridcully7a Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) Actually the reason he intervened is because a long time ago it was said somewhere that if there is an alliance with no leadership (IE: No heirs/Leaders or ALL Heirs/Leaders are Vacation Mode) you can request him to intervene and he will promote the next person up. Those are the DM some sent and probably had no response from Alex. However there were two OTHER messages sent. "Sheepy, what can we do if an alliance member performs a coup and then enters Vacation Mode immediately after demoting all heirs?" and "I am Ridcully of Arcania of Pantheon. I messaged you on Discord as well. We had a coup that occurred in the government and they demoted all heirs and then entered Vacation Mode. I am aware that you cannot leave VM early. Is there any way to promote me to Leader while they are in Vacation mode to prevent the collapse of the alliance or is VM Couping considered a legitimate tactic in the eyes of the Game to collapse an alliance? Thanks for your time and consideration, Ridcully" Read and remember the rules. Sometimes they work in your favor. Edited March 14, 2019 by Ridcully7a adjusted wording of first sentence and capitalization. 2 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Being in VM isn't the same as no leadership. You used the moderation of the game to undo a coup. Its not "the rules" and if it is, it shouldn't be. Sheepy should not interfere in politics. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuppyCakeYums Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) @Alex if I let you delete 150m of my money, would you promote me to Leader of Rose? Is this considered a legitimate tactic in the eyes of the game? Thanks for your time and consideration, CuppyCakeYums Edited March 14, 2019 by CuppyCakeYums Words 3 Quote Dorky Weeb Two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Radoje Posted March 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Ridcully7a said: "I am Ridcully of Arcania of Pantheon. I messaged you on Discord as well. We had a coup that occurred in the government and they demoted all heirs and then entered Vacation Mode. I am aware that you cannot leave VM early. Is there any way to promote me to Leader while they are in Vacation mode to prevent the collapse of the alliance or is VM Couping considered a legitimate tactic in the eyes of the Game to collapse an alliance? Thanks for your time and consideration, Ridcully" Read and remember the rules. Sometimes they work in your favor. 1. So are you saying you'll step down and hand him the alliance over when he gets out of vm? 2. Did you just lie to the admin and game the rules to your advantage? 3. Does this set a precedent where couping an alliance is against the rules, and will all coups be reverted? 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) He probably should do so people can’t enter vacation mode while leader over choosing to change it sometimes for people. Edited March 14, 2019 by Noctis Anarch Caelum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Popular Post Alex Posted March 14, 2019 Administrators Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2019 11 hours ago, Sketchy said: Being in VM isn't the same as no leadership. You used the moderation of the game to undo a coup. Its not "the rules" and if it is, it shouldn't be. Sheepy should not interfere in politics. Yes it is. If you're in Vacation Mode you can't manage alliance permissions or do anything. Your nation is frozen, so effectively there is no leader. In cases where there is no leader (it doesn't happen very often, but it does happen. It is the point of the Heir position after all, that if there is an inactive or no leader they can promote themselves and take care of things) if the active members of the alliance request it, I'll appoint someone to the leadership spot so that the alliance isn't basically defunct (i.e. they don't have to all leave the alliance and startover, which would be a huge pain.) It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen (maybe once every few months) and this is how I've always handled it. In this case I just appointed the most senior nation in the alliance to the leadership spot, which is about as fair of a determination as I can make for who ought to be leader. 19 minutes ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: He probably should do so people can’t enter vacation mode while leader over choosing to change it sometimes for people. Yeah, that would be a good fail-safe restriction to put in place. EDIT: And just to be clear, I don't care if you guys coup each other as long as it's within the rules. Most of the time when a coup happens, it's an obvious multi and they get banned and I undo the action (same with alliance bank stealing) because the rules were broken in the execution of the plan, which just isn't fair to the victims if someone else can cheat and steal all their stuff/alliance. In this case, I did thoroughly check the "couping" nation to make sure they were not a multi, did not find them in violation of any rules (and therefore I did not punish them, or even remove them as a leader) I just simply appointed another leader who was active so that the alliance was not stuck with an inactive leader, which as I've said is standard procedure. And regardless of whether someone is logging in or not, if they're in Vacation Mode I'd consider them inactive. VM nations have no ability to manage the alliance and their nations are frozen, so their usefulness is indistinguishable from a truly inactive nation, hence why I appointed another leader to manage things in their absence. 7 Quote Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mikey Posted March 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) I actually with Alex on this one. VM is meant for people to temporarily pause playing while they have other distractions IRL. It's not meant to avoid wars. Nor to paralyze alliances by taking control and them VMing, so that regardless of further politics / negotiating between players, it is now impossible to actually do anything for 2 weeks. It's pretty clear VM abuse, and I think we should be more strict on that, not less (especially with wartime shenanigans). If he had stayed in power and tried to hold the alliance hostage, raise the taxes, etc, that would be another thing and he absolutely should not be removed in such cases. Maybe he should have just been forced out of VM, but he definitely should not be allowed to VM while the sole leader of the alliance. Edited March 15, 2019 by Mikey 1 7 Quote Archduke Tyrell, Lord of Highgarden, Lord Paramount of the Reach, Warden of the South, Breaker of Forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mikey said: I actually with Alex on this one, I think it was the right course of action. VM is meant for people to temporarily pause playing while they have other distractions IRL. It's not meant to avoid wars or paralyze alliances by taking control and them VMing so that regardless of further politics / negotiating between players, it is now impossible to actually do anything for 2 weeks. It's pretty clear VM abuse, and I think we should be more strict on that, not less (especially with wartime shenanigans). If he had stayed in power and tried to hold the alliance hostage, raise the taxes, etc, that would be another thing and he absolutely should not be removed in such cases. Edit: In light of the very misleading message sent by Pantheon (hadn't seen that previously), maybe a better course of action would have been to just force the nation out of VM. Either way though, he absolutely should not have been allowed to VM while the sole leader of the AA. I'd almost agree, but forcing a nation out of VM opens an entirely separate can of worms than an arbitrary admin-based promotion, since it gives a precedent for VM to be ended early. For all the shenanigans VM allows, the two weeks has at least always been sacrosanct; changing that would remove one of the few real constants in the cheese meta. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted March 14, 2019 Administrators Share Posted March 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sir Scarfalot said: I'd almost agree, but forcing a nation out of VM opens an entirely separate can of worms than an arbitrary admin-based promotion, since it gives a precedent for VM to be ended early. For all the shenanigans VM allows, the two weeks has at least always been sacrosanct; changing that would remove one of the few real constants in the cheese meta. I agree, I would not arbitrarily force someone out of Vacation Mode. While I do not really believe they were on a vacation in this case, I would never make the assumption that someone is abusing Vacation Mode and force them to leave early (as that could have really awful consequences if they were suddenly away from the game for 14+ days, thinking their nation was protected, when it was not. That would be very unfair when they came back to a destroyed nation because I made an arbitrary judgement call.) 1 Quote Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 My opinion on what would be ideal is for everyone to be able to promote themselves one level if there is no-one at all above them; with the following rules: (A). If there is no leader, then the heir can promote themselves up to leader; if the leader is VM, the heir can remove the leader from the alliance outright and then therefore promote themselves up to leader in that order, if multiple heirs whoever does it first gets it (B). If there is no leader AND no heir, then any single officer can promote themselves up to heir, and therefore up to leader, in that order, first on the draw gets it; if there is no leader or the leader is VM and the heir is VM, then any single officer can remove the absentee heir and/or leader and therefore do the thing (in order, first come first serve) (C). If there is no leader AND no heir AND no officers outside of VM, then any member can simply promote themselves to officer and therefore heir and therefore leader. If all of the leadership are VM then any member can boot 'em all and take control. For extra shenanigans, let applicants count as members for the purposes of these rules :3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted March 14, 2019 Administrators Share Posted March 14, 2019 For the sake of transparency, I am going to post logs from a similar but unrelated moderation action I took today (just now, really.) This is essentially the same type of process that was followed for Pantheon's leader situation, with some obvious differences because it's a different situation. In this case, I restored The United Empire of ZahAharon's bank because the guy who stole is had multiple nations and was in violation of the game rules. I.E. He cheated to steal it, so the alliance shouldn't be punished because he cheated. Screenshot of the bank records for transparency: The alliance used to facilitate the transfers: https://politicsandwar.com/alliance/id=5372 The other multi nation: https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=155866 1 1 Quote Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 So.... going into VM is cheating now? Not sure how the two situations are comparable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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