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50 minutes ago, TheNG Rising said:

 

Can confirm, @Mikey is a cruel tyrant who desires nothing more than to crush EMC beneath the iron fist of cinnamon toast crunch. 

I mean, it's almost like arbitrary war stats have very little to do with any aims or goals alliances might have when choosing what to propose as peace terms. Who would've guessed?

Why would an alliance with negative net damage be proposing terms for their enemies defeat? 

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6 hours ago, Ryan1 said:

What makes Seven Kingdoms and Church of Atom think they have the right to push (some of the most demanding) peace terms on TKRsphere, when SK/CoA are both billions in negative net damage? Rose, who has nearly double the net damage of anyone else, isn't presenting any peace terms, not counting the defeat of TKRsphere. 

They will bend at the knee and kiss their holiness's hand or we will see their lands burned to ash and every citizen burned at the stake for their heresy!

 

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Santa Pre, here to drop some knowledge on you dumb scrooges. Lets say this war continues until this time next year. Who do you think will be better off? Do you think TKR and friends will be growing faster than the winning side?  Sure, maybe you'll cause a few nations some long term damage over that year, and maybe you'll hit a bank shot or two. But overall you're effed harder than Acadia with Clarke leading. Not to mention your warchests be will exhausted. Your rebuilding funds gone, maybe save a few. You'll have no allies that aren't a smoldering pile because no one will want to ally you while you're still in an active war. Then, lets say we finally go "A year of you not accepting cosmetic peace terms and (well by this point all your VMers are out of VM) any VMers left we can finally let skate, we will give you white peace now", then you have to rebuild. 

 

You guys are going to be so far ahead of us. Please, keep it up. You've got this in the bag.

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5 hours ago, TheNG Rising said:

B. SK is on the winning side, who usually propose terms in this sort of thing.

I never said their side wasn't winning. They are, and by a total landslide. But SK is in NEGATIVE net damage. You say that war stats don't matter, and most of them really don't. But the big bold number that says if they are winning or losing does.


 

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2 minutes ago, Ryan1 said:

I never said their side wasn't winning. They are, and by a total landslide. But SK is in NEGATIVE net damage. You say that war stats don't matter, and most of them really don't. But the big bold number that says if they are winning or losing does.

 

I'm not sure if you're trolling, or stupid. 

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1 minute ago, Prefontaine said:

I'm not sure if you're trolling, or stupid. 

What part of my reasoning is stupid?

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Just now, Ryan1 said:

What part of my reasoning is stupid?

Oh dear, you weren't trolling. 

 

If you don't understand, then I fear I cannot explain such simple concepts any easier than have already been explained. 

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30 minutes ago, Prefontaine said:

Santa Pre, here to drop some knowledge on you dumb scrooges. Lets say this war continues until this time next year. Who do you think will be better off? Do you think TKR and friends will be growing faster than the winning side?  Sure, maybe you'll cause a few nations some long term damage over that year, and maybe you'll hit a bank shot or two. But overall you're effed harder than Acadia with Clarke leading. Not to mention your warchests be will exhausted. Your rebuilding funds gone, maybe save a few. You'll have no allies that aren't a smoldering pile because no one will want to ally you while you're still in an active war. Then, lets say we finally go "A year of you not accepting cosmetic peace terms and (well by this point all your VMers are out of VM) any VMers left we can finally let skate, we will give you white peace now", then you have to rebuild. 

I'm sorry, but did I  ever say that TKR wasn't fricked over? No, I didn't. You seem to be under the impression that I think TKRsphere is winning this war, when they clearly aren't. My point was that SK/CoA are shoving terms forward when they are suffering losses in this war, unlike alliances who are winning but not shoving terms forward, i.e. Rose.

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4 minutes ago, Ryan1 said:

 

I'm sorry, but did I  ever say that TKR wasn't fricked over? No, I didn't. You seem to be under the impression that I think TKRsphere is winning this war, when they clearly aren't. My point was that SK/CoA are shoving terms forward when they are suffering losses in this war, unlike alliances who are winning but not shoving terms forward, i.e. Rose.

I'm sorry, I didn't quote you in that post and thus wasn't directing my comments at you what so ever. Not everything is about you. If I was talking to you I would have quoted you, or said your name, Ryan. As I am currently. 

 

Can you grasp this simple concept? 

 

Ho ho ho-lyshitballs you're dim. 

 

EDIT: Oh, I see the confusion. I stated I was talking to "Dumb scrooges", the dumb part must've gotten you to think I was talking about you.

 

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8 hours ago, Ryan1 said:

What makes Seven Kingdoms and Church of Atom think they have the right to push (some of the most demanding) peace terms on TKRsphere, when SK/CoA are both billions in negative net damage? Rose, who has nearly double the net damage of anyone else, isn't presenting any peace terms, not counting the defeat of TKRsphere. 

Cry more.

 

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3 hours ago, Prefontaine said:

Santa Pre, here to drop some knowledge on you dumb scrooges. Lets say this war continues until this time next year. Who do you think will be better off? Do you think TKR and friends will be growing faster than the winning side?  Sure, maybe you'll cause a few nations some long term damage over that year, and maybe you'll hit a bank shot or two. But overall you're effed harder than Acadia with Clarke leading. Not to mention your warchests be will exhausted. Your rebuilding funds gone, maybe save a few. You'll have no allies that aren't a smoldering pile because no one will want to ally you while you're still in an active war. Then, lets say we finally go "A year of you not accepting cosmetic peace terms and (well by this point all your VMers are out of VM) any VMers left we can finally let skate, we will give you white peace now", then you have to rebuild. 

 

You guys are going to be so far ahead of us. Please, keep it up. You've got this in the bag.

They'd rather stand on senseless pride and "honor" for the gain of nothing to prevent a change they cannot prevent.

They don't want to be bothered to play actual politics and go the long way of doing things, remembering grievances and taking opportunities, finding the hidden advantage for the future in a bad situation.

 

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3 minutes ago, Akuryo said:

They'd rather stand on senseless pride and "honor" for the gain of nothing to prevent a change they cannot prevent.

They don't want to be bothered to play actual politics and go the long way of doing things, remembering grievances and taking opportunities, finding the hidden advantage for the future in a bad situation.

 

They aren't even nuking en masse, or winning in any tiering. They are just flailing about.

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Can we get an update on where exactly peace discussions are currently? (without the aggro sass)

I don't feel like running through 19, near 20 pages.

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On 12/25/2018 at 6:46 AM, TheRebelMan said:

I'm not sure you understand. 

TKR cannot be hurt from here on out unless they do something stupid. 

Your side on the other hand, has plenty of 2k+ infra. 

Only matters if you're causing more damage than the rest of us are earning. Quite a few have rebuilt.

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1 hour ago, Mad Max said:

Can we get an update on where exactly peace discussions are currently? (without the aggro sass)

I don't feel like running through 19, near 20 pages.

TLDR Version:

 

"Substantial" Updates

 

-No Christmas truce.

-BK complains that TKR-sphere blew off negotiations TKR-sphere itself had scheduled.

 

Leaks:

 

-If you're naive enough to believe that neither side is stalling, it's primarily the VM that's holding things up.

-If you're not naive enough to believe that, TKR-sphere makes progress by nuking high infra nations for war stats, SynDIQ makes progress by getting TKR-sphere nations to go inactive and delete. You can count progress on the SynDIQ side by counting TKR member count; over the last two weeks, seems to be a loss of 10 members (including VM), some of whom were moved into the applicant AA. You can count progress on the TKR-sphere side by checking out NPO's war stats:

 

https://npowned.net/pw-war-statistics/conflict/1

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1 hour ago, Mad Max said:

Can we get an update on where exactly peace discussions are currently? (without the aggro sass)

I don't feel like running through 19, near 20 pages.

The only progress is no progress. Our side isn’t budging on terms. Their side won’t accept them. The war will continue until they decide to accept them. From everything I’ve seen on our side of things no one is in a hurry to rescind the current terms. 

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21 hours ago, Ryan1 said:

What makes Seven Kingdoms and Church of Atom think they have the right to push (some of the most demanding) peace terms on TKRsphere, when SK/CoA are both billions in negative net damage? Rose, who has nearly double the net damage of anyone else, isn't presenting any peace terms, not counting the defeat of TKRsphere. 

Which of SK's terms are you referring to as the most demanding? The Cinnamon Toast Crunch or the Colour Block name change? They're not exactly the terms that are dragging the war  out.

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3 hours ago, Mad Max said:

Can we get an update on where exactly peace discussions are currently? (without the aggro sass)

I don't feel like running through 19, near 20 pages.

Alright so I’ll give this a stab and try to be fairly even. 

Our side has not budged on any terms outside of two counter offers on the bot terms which were rejected then summarily rescinded. Our side feels no need to peace out as most of our economies, while obviously not at 100%, are still substantial and most people are already replacing their used warchests. 

Their side has accepted all the joke terms, except for Grumpy/GOB which was accepted then SRD later reneged on. VM nations have had no progress as they feel we are unfairly targeting their VM members. They also have rejected the bot demand on essentially the grounds of have your members “Git Gud”, and the art is part of their alliance culture. Guardian/GoB tie hasn’t even been discussed yet. 

The normal progression of these is they contact us to begin talks, a time is agreed upon we, we show up, we yell at each other for an hour, then they walk away. Previously they lasted 3 weeks before contacting us again, this time one week, though they didn’t show up to their scheduled time so you could argue it’s longer. 

For rational of continuing the war, our side sees no reason to end the war when we see their member count continuing to dwindle. Additionally they are making no money versus ours being reduced, so economically they are being set back more and more. 

From their perspective they probably are hoping that they can drag out it out for better deals. Additionally, they can have better damage proportions due to them having more targets, with them being more intact. However this is misleading as certain alliances are rebuilding infra, and making themselves targets so this differential is skewed by certain alliances. 

Well see how long they hold out, but since every day they do it sets them back more our side is content. I expect war stats to encourage them to hold out longer as well. 

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