Lu Xun Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I'm more of the view that TKR had a death wish in the run-up to this war. Given the major diplomatic "mistakes", TKR military "incompetence", as well as what I know of certain TKR founders, I wouldn't be surprised if TKR higher gov came to a consensus of "it's either us, or the game. Let's get rolled!" Then there's information given by ex-TKR BK about TKR's traditional diplomatic competence, information by your IQ allies concerning TKR's modus operandi, and what your internal information says about what happened with Vanguard. From the same logic, TKR would not attempt to immediately reassert its hegemony post-war or in the subsequent war round. But we can't exactly trust them on this, would we? And there's the fact that even if TKR deliberately chose to commit suicide, SynDIQ is at an obligation to make sure it's killed, in the sense of whether TKR continues to be hegemonic ceases to be TKR's choice. Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRebelMan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Inst said: I'm more of the view that TKR had a death wish in the run-up to this war. Given the major diplomatic "mistakes", TKR military "incompetence", as well as what I know of certain TKR founders, I wouldn't be surprised if TKR higher gov came to a consensus of "it's either us, or the game. Let's get rolled!" Then there's information given by ex-TKR BK about TKR's traditional diplomatic competence, information by your IQ allies concerning TKR's modus operandi, and what your internal information says about what happened with Vanguard. From the same logic, TKR would not attempt to immediately reassert its hegemony post-war or in the subsequent war round. But we can't exactly trust them on this, would we? And there's the fact that even if TKR deliberately chose to commit suicide, SynDIQ is at an obligation to make sure it's killed, in the sense of whether TKR continues to be hegemonic ceases to be TKR's choice. I find it funny how people talk about the TKR military incompetence. Yet they don't see that a good portion of the alliances who opposed TKR are worse than them... Interesting.... but that's just food for thought. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) People who know what "incompetence" means know what "incompetence" means (i.e, being deliberately bad). That said, IQ has a habit of throwing garbage alliances in to serve as bait. Or we can point to the fact that Pantheonsphere, in the whole, is a joke. Also, I want to point out that TKR-sphere has held out for 92 days, or 3 months. Congratulations to TKR! And FYI, another 65 days before TKR overtakes Rose at the present damage rate. Edited January 21, 2019 by Inst 1 Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Hunter Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 32 minutes ago, Inst said: People who know what "incompetence" means know what "incompetence" means (i.e, being deliberately bad). That said, IQ has a habit of throwing garbage alliances in to serve as bait. Or we can point to the fact that Pantheonsphere, in the whole, is a joke. Incompetence means being deliberately bad? Pretty sure intent has nothing to do with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphinx Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Inst said: I'm more of the view that TKR had a death wish in the run-up to this war. Given the major diplomatic "mistakes", TKR military "incompetence", as well as what I know of certain TKR founders, I wouldn't be surprised if TKR higher gov came to a consensus of "it's either us, or the game. Let's get rolled!" Then there's information given by ex-TKR BK about TKR's traditional diplomatic competence, information by your IQ allies concerning TKR's modus operandi, and what your internal information says about what happened with Vanguard. From the same logic, TKR would not attempt to immediately reassert its hegemony post-war or in the subsequent war round. But we can't exactly trust them on this, would we? And there's the fact that even if TKR deliberately chose to commit suicide, SynDIQ is at an obligation to make sure it's killed, in the sense of whether TKR continues to be hegemonic ceases to be TKR's choice. Its laughable that you mention TKR's perceived "stranglehold" on the game when IQ is now in a position to far exceed that. I don't know how you judge Military Incompetence when TKR has weathered the brunt of this mass assault and still come out on top with positive net damage and a total damage dealt amount larger than Rose, BK and t$'s combined. Sure TKR has been hurt a lot and it will most likely not be in any sort of hegemonic position for awhile, but to think TKR has "committed suicide" is rubbish and shows you don't know what your talking about. SynDIQ isn't a power bloc, and its likely those two will be the next to square up after Knightfall, but we'll see. EDIT: An yes before anyone says anything I understand that tCW isn't exactly the strongest in our sphere. But at least this war has given us a chance to do some summertime cleaning and trimming of the fat. Edited January 21, 2019 by Sphinx 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Sphinx said: Its laughable that you mention TKR's perceived "stranglehold" on the game when IQ is now in a position to far exceed that. I don't know how you judge Military Incompetence when TKR has weathered the brunt of this mass assault and still come out on top with positive net damage and a total damage dealt amount larger than Rose, BK and t$'s combined. Sure TKR has been hurt a lot and it will most likely not be in any sort of hegemonic position for awhile, but to think TKR has "committed suicide" is rubbish and shows you don't know what your talking about. SynDIQ isn't a power bloc, and its likely those two will be the next to square up after Knightfall, but we'll see. EDIT: An yes before anyone says anything I understand that tCW isn't exactly the strongest in our sphere. But at least this war has given us a chance to do some summertime cleaning and trimming of the fat. No, they are committing suicide at this rate. "Lol they damage numbers" is not a valid argument when one remembers they have like 30 alliances to take shots at while the other side has like... 6? In light of that basic fact their damage numbers don't really reflect much of anything. Those numbers don't suddenly mean TKR isn't being choked out and refusing to tap. So, yes, your entire sphere actually is doing the equivalent of seppuku, killing yourselves over what is comparatively nothing. You've hurt yourselves so much at this point to become effectively irrelevant for months. You might have noticed some people already treating you that way. Most of the game expects TCW to die and probably half of them think you'll have lost your tiering edge on syndisphere when the time for that comes. So please, explain how at this point the continued pride and stubbornness is akin to anything less than, at best, a failed suicide attempt that leaves one crippled for the rest of their life. Cause that's all anyone not from your side sees, enemies and neutrals alike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Sphinx said: EDIT: An yes before anyone says anything I understand that tCW isn't exactly the strongest in our sphere. But at least this war has given us a chance to do some summertime cleaning and trimming of the fat. Trimmed some fat? Buddy I think you may have done more than that at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRebelMan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 38 minutes ago, Darth Revan said: Trimmed some fat? Buddy I think you may have done more than that at this point. Tbh, they still have a good portion of people who aren't fighting back. I would count them as fat. A different kind of fat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) The point of having committed suicide refers to common consensus about TKR diplomatic "errors" in the run-up to the war; i.e, DDR, the hit on nuke bloc, etc. As for emergent IQ hegemony, my point of view is that NPO hegemonies are more fun to break up than they are to forestall. The game has been attempting to "stop" an NPO hegemony for almost the entirety of its history. The end effect is that the traditional baby eaters have slowly become cute and cuddly for their resistance and persistence. People seem to have this odd notion that NPO hegs destroy games, but it's confusing correlation with causation. NPO hegs tend to take over in dead games; i.e, no one is left to resist them, so they just sit on the corpse until it rots away. But NPO hegs also establish themselves in live games, and these hegs, from my memory, are rather fun to tear apart given the time and effort needed to do so. Moreover, while this war, your sphere was barely taken down by combined efforts of almost the entire game, the "Thin Roq Line" is actually extremely vulnerable; it can be sandwiched between Syndisphere launching attacks from above and Pantheonsphere (this is a term due to tier control) launching attacks from below. Your sphere was mostly updeclared against, whereas the "Thin Roq Line" is down-declarable. As for TKR-fat, TKR's actual fat are people who've left the game or gone inactive. It's reasonable for TKR et al to rotate combatants in for tours of duty, then let them go temporarily inactive, but continue to log in, during a long war. TKR has essentially sat at 97 members out of VM since Jan 1, so it appears as though SynDIQ is dealing more damage through attrited warchest (250m a day) than through member losses). Edited January 21, 2019 by Inst 1 Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apeman Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Someone say nuke bloc? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Settra Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 32 minutes ago, Apeman said: Someone say nuke bloc? Get em Apeman. Don't let them dishonor Nuke Bloc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memph Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Did this Acadia nation go into VM mode to get out of me kicking his ass for the 7th time? https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=12832 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Or maybe he's not launching offensive attacks at raidables, and while capable of building military to turtle up, is not actually capable of the activity needed to be able to profit this war. Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limbuwan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Memph said: Did this Acadia nation go into VM mode to get out of me kicking his ass for the 7th time? https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=12832 No he too has legit real life reasons to go to VM Or so i heard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Justin076 Posted January 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) Going on February and this war from October still ongoing? What a fricking pathetic disgrace all sides of this war are. Like seriously? Four fricking months? This is setting a terrible precedent for the future of this game. People talking about this game getting a second life but holy shit this is probably the lowest of all time. People who complained about a 6 month nap, well how about one side of a global sitting on the other for four months. IQ/Syndi(not all of Syndi cause I know some want out) suck a dick. TKR/TCW, swallow your pride and accept terms because you’ve been clearly beat. *waits for movement from bobber, places rod in holder and cracks a beer* Edited January 25, 2019 by Justin076 1 15 1 Quote Chief Financial Officer of The Syndicate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRebelMan Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 On 1/22/2019 at 7:40 PM, SexDrugsAlcohol said: No he too has legit real life reasons to go to VM Or so i heard. As did Felkey... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynder Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Justin076 said: TKR/TCW, swallow your pride and accept terms because you’ve been clearly beat. Noooo, don't say that out loud, you are only going to strengthen their resolve! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorcock Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Justin076 said: Going on February and this war from October still ongoing? What a fricking pathetic disgrace all sides of this war are. Like seriously? Four fricking months? This is setting a terrible precedent for the future of this game. People talking about this game getting a second life but holy shit this is probably the lowest of all time. People who complained about a 6 month nap, well how about one side of a global sitting on the other for four months. IQ/Syndi(not all of Syndi cause I know some want out) suck a dick. TKR/TCW, swallow your pride and accept terms because you’ve been clearly beat. *waits for movement from bobber, places rod in holder and cracks a beer* Let them hit the 100 day mark first, just 3 more days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 8 hours ago, Justin076 said: Going on February and this war from October still ongoing? What a fricking pathetic disgrace all sides of this war are. Like seriously? Four fricking months? This is setting a terrible precedent for the future of this game. People talking about this game getting a second life but holy shit this is probably the lowest of all time. People who complained about a 6 month nap, well how about one side of a global sitting on the other for four months. IQ/Syndi(not all of Syndi cause I know some want out) suck a dick. TKR/TCW, swallow your pride and accept terms because you’ve been clearly beat. *waits for movement from bobber, places rod in holder and cracks a beer* Somebody pay this man. He's the hero we need, but not the one we deserve. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 11 hours ago, Justin076 said: Going on February and this war from October still ongoing? What a fricking pathetic disgrace all sides of this war are. Like seriously? Four fricking months? This is setting a terrible precedent for the future of this game. People talking about this game getting a second life but holy shit this is probably the lowest of all time. People who complained about a 6 month nap, well how about one side of a global sitting on the other for four months. IQ/Syndi(not all of Syndi cause I know some want out) suck a dick. TKR/TCW, swallow your pride and accept terms because you’ve been clearly beat. *waits for movement from bobber, places rod in holder and cracks a beer* (OOC) This is why I'm almost always in favor of settling things with white peace or just an admission of defeat. Terms usually lead to standoffs where the terms themselves aren't really significant or a major issue, but neither side wants to back down because they'd lose face. It extends wars well past the point where it is fun for most people and ends up driving players from the game who get sick of it. As someone who has been on both sides, it is tedious for both sides. For the first year or two of this game white peace/admissions of defeat were generally the norm, we should go back to that. Shorter, more frequent wars are a lot more fun and interesting. (/OOC) 2 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Azaghul said: (OOC) This is why I'm almost always in favor of settling things with white peace or just an admission of defeat. Terms usually lead to standoffs where the terms themselves aren't really significant or a major issue, but neither side wants to back down because they'd lose face. It extends wars well past the point where it is fun for most people and ends up driving players from the game who get sick of it. As someone who has been on both sides, it is tedious for both sides. For the first year or two of this game white peace/admissions of defeat were generally the norm, we should go back to that. Shorter, more frequent wars are a lot more fun and interesting. (/OOC) What's more interesting is more drama and chaos to fuel it. You don't get any of that with bone-headed brats who refuse to admit they lost at checkers. Everybody tiptoes around afraid to lose at checkers. I'm preparing to intentionally lose at checkers just so I can do it in an interesting way. Stop being afraid to lose, to accept losing, stop literally sawing your own arm off just to lose s little less of your pride and feelings right now instead of sucking it up and playing actual politics by planning and striking revenge at your leisure. Stop protecting everything that breathes and speaks enough English to ask. Stop forming these groups that require most of the game to effectively break down. Everyone is at fault, everyone claims to be virtuous but you're all sinners and posers. Even myself, until a day comes I have the ability to really prove otherwise. Get a head start on me and prove yourselves sooner not later. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroshima Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Kadin would have surrendered by now. Quote “I'm cheap and enjoy butchering” - Manthrax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prefontaine Posted January 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/25/2019 at 10:01 AM, Justin076 said: Going on February and this war from October still ongoing? What a fricking pathetic disgrace all sides of this war are. Like seriously? Four fricking months? This is setting a terrible precedent for the future of this game. People talking about this game getting a second life but holy shit this is probably the lowest of all time. People who complained about a 6 month nap, well how about one side of a global sitting on the other for four months. IQ/Syndi(not all of Syndi cause I know some want out) suck a dick. TKR/TCW, swallow your pride and accept terms because you’ve been clearly beat. *waits for movement from bobber, places rod in holder and cracks a beer* You can blame TKR-side leadership for a lot of the slow down. There's been a plethora of times where there has been no activity in the peace talks channel for weeks at a time. They've also accepted terms, and then gone back and said no they don't accept those terms without anything changing from there. It's been made clear several times that the terms are not going to be removed, and the things which have held up talks the most are effing ridiculous. Protecting the "honor" of VM-ers because you're such a delicate pile of garbage that you don't like them being labeled as "war dodgers" and want to protect their VM-protected infra while sacrificing rebuild time/resources of hundreds. Wanting to keep your trade bot active and still requiring art for to return trades because of "tradition" is a bad joke. If TKR was not in these peace talks I'm confident the war would have ended at least a month ago, if not 2. The fault for all of this rests on Adrienne. You're largely inactive in peace talks. Days and weeks go by without you making further effort. You cling to trying to protect your trash while doing disservice to the rest of the members. You're alliance has never really lost before, and are apparently incompetent as to how it works. As someone who has played these shit games for way too long, there are no harsh terms in the original surrender. Honestly the GoB one was the harshest of them, but even the child like reasoning skills of SRD were able to find a solution working with Ripper. But not Adrienne, you god damn dumpster fire of a leader. Step down. Give someone else the charge, you have 97 other members one of them is bound to have a brain because you sure as shit do not. To Justin's point you can assign blame to either side, and while I might be biased some there lies a major issue. This is IQ's first time winning, really. Lets say they flinch and give in to white peace after making such a point about terms, it shows anyone can just stick it out if they really don't want the terms. You can claim the same is TKR's side can be shown to give in to terms, but that's a part of losing. There was a hiccup in the TEst-Guardian term where we wanted them to write a couple paragraphs about something deity-flavored, they decided they didn't want to do the cosmetic/joke sort of term so we offered them 5B to get out of it or they could present a counter option in flavor with what was originally there. They simply chose to go with the original term. But that shows how quickly some of the speed bumps and stops can be resolved. Honestly it could have been done in a day or twos time should leadership been more active about it. tl;dr Yes it's stupid things have gone on this long. The fault largely rests with TKR. I hope their allies leave them to burn in the trash heap they've left them to burn in for extra months. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) "bone-headed" "stupid" From a channel somewhere, unnamed, from a person also unnamed. It's more fun because the code bugged out. why do you even care I don't understand why any of you care about these shit games I feel like you need to be somewhere on the autism spectrum to play these nation simulators oh no this guy said something mean to someone with a fake government rank about me let's get revenge I have no life and can be on here 24/7 so I deserve to have a status of importance Edited January 26, 2019 by A Boy Named Crow Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Mad Titan Posted January 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2019 13 hours ago, Azaghul said: (OOC) This is why I'm almost always in favor of settling things with white peace or just an admission of defeat. Terms usually lead to standoffs where the terms themselves aren't really significant or a major issue, but neither side wants to back down because they'd lose face. It extends wars well past the point where it is fun for most people and ends up driving players from the game who get sick of it. As someone who has been on both sides, it is tedious for both sides. For the first year or two of this game white peace/admissions of defeat were generally the norm, we should go back to that. Shorter, more frequent wars are a lot more fun and interesting. (/OOC) Ah yes, like the white peace/just admission of defeat TGH/KT got. 1 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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