ComradeMilton Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Sir Scarfalot said: At this point they've taken all the damage they possibly can; anyone that's still there now is probably going to stay even if the war drags on for another full year. Also getting an even split on the yes/no doesn't prove your point at all; if anything it shows that their membership actually are willing to stick it out. I'm just as surprised as you are, tbh. We can keep chasing them down by dumping mil or something, declaring, and then buying back. As I said, we can wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRebelMan Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, ComradeMilton said: We can keep chasing them down by dumping mil or something, declaring, and then buying back. As I said, we can wait. I'm not sure you understand. TKR cannot be hurt from here on out unless they do something stupid. Your side on the other hand, has plenty of 2k+ infra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I understand. It just doesn't concern me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinum Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 28 minutes ago, TheRebelMan said: I'm not sure you understand. TKR cannot be hurt from here on out unless they do something stupid. Your side on the other hand, has plenty of 2k+ infra. There are opportunity costs. Every day the war goes on is a day they take a net loss and don't rebuild, while the alliances they're fighting are in the black. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRebelMan Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 45 minutes ago, Divinum said: There are opportunity costs. Every day the war goes on is a day they take a net loss and don't rebuild, while the alliances they're fighting are in the black. Every day the war goes on, they don't benefit. But they also make sure that their opponents dont either. Or limit it at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, TheRebelMan said: Every day the war goes on, they don't benefit. But they also make sure that their opponents dont either. Or limit it at least. The IQ side is quite nicely in the black as of a second ago when I checked. I don't have data on Evil, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRebelMan Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, ComradeMilton said: The IQ side is quite nicely in the black as of a second ago when I checked. I don't have data on Evil, Inc. They have the stats running again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheRebelMan said: They have the stats running again? Well several of them are straight command economies which is an easy measurement. BK isn't command, but collect the data needed to make such a determination. You start gathering those and those of the rest of the coalition and there's enough of a buffer to say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinum Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, ComradeMilton said: Well several of them are straight command economies which is an easy measurement. BK isn't command, but collect the data needed to make such a determination. You start gathering those and those of the rest of the coalition and there's enough of a buffer to say that. Yeah, e$ is running a solid profit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 2 hours ago, TheRebelMan said: Every day the war goes on, they don't benefit. But they also make sure that their opponents dont either. Or limit it at least. >implying that mitigating the progress of one side is worth intentionally keeping your own grinded to a halt. No, no it is not. That is not how math works. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRebelMan Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Akuryo said: >implying that mitigating the progress of one side is worth intentionally keeping your own grinded to a halt. No, no it is not. That is not how math works. Different people have different priorities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheRebelMan said: Different people have different priorities. Their priorities are irrelevant. They gain nothing from this, because the other side simply does not care about their stubborness or their intent to get better terms by dragging this out until the other capitulates from boredom. Ironically, dragging it out is actually giving their enemies more of they want. It's making the scars left by the war last that much longer and that much deeper, as the other side continues to catch up. Slower than at peace? Of course, but its well worth it when your opponent is stopped completely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 lol Both sides are happy with the way this war's going. So much for seeing an early end to this war. Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoje Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 On 12/24/2018 at 3:31 AM, The Mad Titan said: Sure. TKR is only 82 active members. Can’t peace till it’s 75 On 12/24/2018 at 3:36 PM, The Mad Titan said: Also you have 82 active members, if you have 50 that will stick it out so be it lmao. I will enjoy getting you there. On 12/24/2018 at 5:40 PM, The Mad Titan said: They continue to lose members though Sorry, I don't get it, could you repeat that a few more times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan1 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) What makes Seven Kingdoms and Church of Atom think they have the right to push (some of the most demanding) peace terms on TKRsphere, when SK/CoA are both billions in negative net damage? Rose, who has nearly double the net damage of anyone else, isn't presenting any peace terms, not counting the defeat of TKRsphere. Edited December 25, 2018 by Ryan1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheNG Posted December 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2018 29 minutes ago, Ryan1 said: Seven Kingdoms most demanding peace terms On 12/1/2018 at 4:58 PM, Ripper said: Grumpy Old Bastards have to publicly admit, through an announcement in the Foreign Affairs subforum of the P&W forums, that they do not know why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch. ~ submitted by Seven Kingdoms Can confirm, @Mikey is a cruel tyrant who desires nothing more than to crush EMC beneath the iron fist of cinnamon toast crunch. I mean, it's almost like arbitrary war stats have very little to do with any aims or goals alliances might have when choosing what to propose as peace terms. Who would've guessed? 1 10 1 Quote "They say the secret to success is being at the right place at the right time. But since you never know when the right time is going to be, I figure the trick is to find the right place and just hang around!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Kastor> He left and my !@#$ nation is !@#$ed up. And the Finance guy refuses to help. He just writes his !@#$ plays. <Kastor> And laughs and shit. <Kastor> And gives out !@#$ huge loans to Arthur James, that !@#$ bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegee Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Ryan1 said: What makes Seven Kingdoms and Church of Atom think they have the right to push (some of the most demanding) peace terms on TKRsphere, when SK/CoA are both billions in negative net damage? Rose, who has nearly double the net damage of anyone else, isn't presenting any peace terms, not counting the defeat of TKRsphere. SK strikes again! We hoped to fly under the radar with our overpowering and oppressive demands for this war by taking as much damage as possible but alas you caught us! Little does everyone know in article 69 subtext 420 we demand that each alliance from EMC pay out $10,000,000,000.00 worth of Cinnamon Toast Crunch! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!! 2 Quote I'm just procrastinating for a paper I have to write at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan1 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Can I have some of your cinnamon toast crunch? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegee Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Just now, Ryan1 said: Can I have some of your cinnamon toast crunch? Only if you help us push our agenda. Quote I'm just procrastinating for a paper I have to write at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan1 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 50 minutes ago, TheNG Rising said: Can confirm, @Mikey is a cruel tyrant who desires nothing more than to crush EMC beneath the iron fist of cinnamon toast crunch. I mean, it's almost like arbitrary war stats have very little to do with any aims or goals alliances might have when choosing what to propose as peace terms. Who would've guessed? Why would an alliance with negative net damage be proposing terms for their enemies defeat? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheNG Posted December 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Ryan1 said: Why would an alliance with negative net damage be proposing terms for their enemies defeat? I'm so glad you asked! Let's see... A. War stats don't matter and have zero relation to proposing terms B. SK is on the winning side, who usually propose terms in this sort of thing. C. SK are big boys and can propose whatever terms they like, all that matters in the end is whether they're accepted or not. Why are you making a fool out of yourself on behalf on an alliance that booted you to the curb? Smith can't hurt you anymore (probably) bby. 1 8 Quote "They say the secret to success is being at the right place at the right time. But since you never know when the right time is going to be, I figure the trick is to find the right place and just hang around!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Kastor> He left and my !@#$ nation is !@#$ed up. And the Finance guy refuses to help. He just writes his !@#$ plays. <Kastor> And laughs and shit. <Kastor> And gives out !@#$ huge loans to Arthur James, that !@#$ bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smith Posted December 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2018 4 hours ago, TheNG Rising said: Smith can't hurt you anymore (probably) bby. 3 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Ryan1 said: What makes Seven Kingdoms and Church of Atom think they have the right to push (some of the most demanding) peace terms on TKRsphere, when SK/CoA are both billions in negative net damage? Rose, who has nearly double the net damage of anyone else, isn't presenting any peace terms, not counting the defeat of TKRsphere. They will bend at the knee and kiss their holiness's hand or we will see their lands burned to ash and every citizen burned at the stake for their heresy! Edited December 26, 2018 by James II 2 2 Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 (edited) Santa Pre, here to drop some knowledge on you dumb scrooges. Lets say this war continues until this time next year. Who do you think will be better off? Do you think TKR and friends will be growing faster than the winning side? Sure, maybe you'll cause a few nations some long term damage over that year, and maybe you'll hit a bank shot or two. But overall you're effed harder than Acadia with Clarke leading. Not to mention your warchests be will exhausted. Your rebuilding funds gone, maybe save a few. You'll have no allies that aren't a smoldering pile because no one will want to ally you while you're still in an active war. Then, lets say we finally go "A year of you not accepting cosmetic peace terms and (well by this point all your VMers are out of VM) any VMers left we can finally let skate, we will give you white peace now", then you have to rebuild. You guys are going to be so far ahead of us. Please, keep it up. You've got this in the bag. Edited December 26, 2018 by Prefontaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan1 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 5 hours ago, TheNG Rising said: B. SK is on the winning side, who usually propose terms in this sort of thing. I never said their side wasn't winning. They are, and by a total landslide. But SK is in NEGATIVE net damage. You say that war stats don't matter, and most of them really don't. But the big bold number that says if they are winning or losing does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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