Popular Post Prefontaine Posted December 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Nizam Adrienne said: Let me reiterate something I said in my first post on this thread though. This term itself isn't the reason we stopped talks. The primary reason we stopped is because we felt the other side wasn't willing to negotiate in good faith. You can say "we're the winning side and we don't have to negotiate it good faith" and sure, you don't have to, it's your decision. But that doesn't mean that we're obligated to roll over and just accept that either. So we walked. Let me explain something to you, since you seem ignorant of it. This isn’t a negotiation. These are terms of your surrender. We aren’t a union and a company negotiating who gets what and such. You’re a defeated group seeking peace. Peace which is early in regards to the victors sides desires. You take what we give you, and sure we are willing to work on some things, but if we plant our foot down on something you have three choices, accept it, wait til we stop caring about it or accomplish it ourselves. Saying we aren’t negotiating in good faith is asinine. And you’re beyond imcompetent if you actually believe that narrative is going to get you anywhere. You left negotiations because you let your pride get in the way. There exists this fallacy in PnW where if the losing side gurrillas long enough the damages even out and it behooves the winning side to push for white peace. If the alliance swinging from below is motivated, and coordinated then sure it can make it tedious for the winning side. However even if the winning side is burdened some they’re still growing and gaining money and resources. The losing side is not. Take that hat into account when looking at TKR and tCW. You’re soft. Your members are soft. They don’t have the stomach for that because they’re too used to easy wins and dogpiles. Not to mention your entire sphere is being held down. You have NO allies not being covered (minus Guardians TFP). Meanwhile you’re enemies grow at a slower rate, however it’s a much faster one than you. And your other enemies who you recently rolled KT and friends grow faster than both parties. That’s you’re true problem. You have no friends not being decimated. All you have are enemies. This is your grave you've dug. Submit. 1 16 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buorhann Posted December 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2018 You had a few drinks, didn't you? 14 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 This thread is more amusing if you pretend all the parties involved are rational actors. 5 Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Buorhann said: You had a few drinks, didn't you? 7 minutes ago, Inst said: This thread is more amusing if you pretend all the parties involved are rational actors. Shifty coming in out of left field. SNN LLC exclusive for this thread: Despite all the whining on here: TKR plans to start rebuilding on the 23rd of December. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 19 minutes ago, ☠ϟħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™☠ said: Shifty coming in out of left field. SNN LLC exclusive for this thread: Despite all the whining on here: TKR plans to start rebuilding on the 23rd of December. "I used to have this notion when I was a kid that the minute you said anything, it was no longer true." Diane Arbus, preface to Diane Arbus: An Aperture Monograph. 2 Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadow Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 13 hours ago, ☠ϟħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™☠ said: TKR plans to start rebuilding on the 23rd of December. Kool Christmas will be full of presents I see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted December 7, 2018 Author Share Posted December 7, 2018 7 hours ago, Nizam Adrienne said: This term itself isn't the reason we stopped talks. The primary reason we stopped is because we felt the other side wasn't willing to negotiate in good faith. If you consider our practice of not taking a step back for any of our terms (their context) a sign of "bad faith", there is not much we can do about it. However, if there is some other event that alienated you and made you think we were running the peace negotiations in bad faith, let us know and we can work on that. From my point of view, a sign of bad faith would be trying to hide things from you, being impolite, trying to trick you, not giving you alternatives, etc. I think that we did our best to provide all the information you wanted. Also, from the very beginning, the terms were even signed by the alliances that suggested them, while we could have avoided that in order to keep things foggy and to try and avoid future retribution. Morever, we did change things according to your feedback, like the wording of clauses that didn't sound right to you. Terms like the war-VMers one even have two alternatives (us attacking the nations or them selling their infra on their own) in order to make things easier for you and let nations avoid a raid that would also make them lose resources, military and growth time. In any case, your remark gave me an idea. We may try to come up with a nice Christmas present/event. No promises though. ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apeman Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I offer to be a mediator. Let's get these talks over with already 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted December 7, 2018 Author Share Posted December 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, Apeman said: I offer to be a mediator. Let's get these talks over with already Sorry Apeman, @Fraggle already got that assignment. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apeman Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Curses upon curses damnu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 (edited) 13 days until 2 months of war! BREAK THE 68 DAY WAR RECORD! We only need to keep this up for another 3 weeks! DECEMBER 29, 2018! Edited December 7, 2018 by Inst 2 Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Royalist Posted December 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Inst said: 13 days until 2 months of war! BREAK THE 68 DAY WAR RECORD! We only need to keep this up for another 3 weeks! DECEMBER 29, 2018! can you please shut up? your posts are making it difficult to read the good stuff 1 7 2 Quote aka Filip, The Royalist or Tremor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadow Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 15 hours ago, Inst said: 13 days until 2 months of war! BREAK THE 68 DAY WAR RECORD! We only need to keep this up for another 3 weeks! DECEMBER 29, 2018! FYI, 68 day war did not last for 68 days But 69 day war did last for 69 days. Also NUKES TO WAR DODGERS AND 4K INFRA WHALES!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRebelMan Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Inst said: 13 days until 2 months of war! BREAK THE 68 DAY WAR RECORD! We only need to keep this up for another 3 weeks! DECEMBER 29, 2018! Technically, the 69DW did last 69 days. That is if you are going by in game day changes, as many do. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Kell Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Congrats on completely derailing the entire conversation @Inst I don't even think @MinesomeMCcould be this effective 3 Quote Listen to J Kell's new single: About The Author An early member of Roz Wei in 2015, J Kell went on to stay within the paperless world of Empyrea before signing with Soup Kitchen while scoring a record deal in 2019. J Kell went on to release multiple Orbis Top 40 hits. In 2020, J Kell took a break from Orbis. He's back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fraggle Posted December 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2018 From The Desk of Uncle Traveling Matt The Best Nation Ever, Fraggle Rock Greetings Friends!! We Fraggles fell asleep to this nonsense on page three. That's great news for all parties. We can't, nor do we care to follow along. We are the perfect nation to hold true and honest talks to end this "stale mate". Here's what we promise: 1) An end to the war. 2) A chance to "save face" on all sides 3) The possibility of a stable environment going forward 4) Getting y'all to shut the F up over this crap. Now, we don't have a real dog in this fight. We just want everyone to come together, figure this out in a civil manner, and regroup as a world to focus on something better. Now, how do you plan to do this Uncle Traveling Matt? Great Question!! I suggest that both sides send 3 members to the table. Once seated, I will open the gifts that were brought. The first side will have 3 minutes to make their case. No interruptions! The other side will have a chance of rebuttal. Then the second side will make their case, with rebuttal from the first side. I will post my findings in public and give each side one post to make a final decision. Then I will present all arguments to Minister Wembley Fraggle. He will make the final conclusions. If this solution here is not agreeable, go get bent. Many Hugs, Uncle Traveling Matt 1 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollo Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Fraggle said: From The Desk of Uncle Traveling Matt The Best Nation Ever, Fraggle Rock Greetings Friends!! We Fraggles fell asleep to this nonsense on page three. That's great news for all parties. We can't, nor do we care to follow along. We are the perfect nation to hold true and honest talks to end this "stale mate". Here's what we promise: 1) An end to the war. 2) A chance to "save face" on all sides 3) The possibility of a stable environment going forward 4) Getting y'all to shut the F up over this crap. Now, we don't have a real dog in this fight. We just want everyone to come together, figure this out in a civil manner, and regroup as a world to focus on something better. Now, how do you plan to do this Uncle Traveling Matt? Great Question!! I suggest that both sides send 3 members to the table. Once seated, I will open the gifts that were brought. The first side will have 3 minutes to make their case. No interruptions! The other side will have a chance of rebuttal. Then the second side will make their case, with rebuttal from the first side. I will post my findings in public and give each side one post to make a final decision. Then I will present all arguments to Minister Wembley Fraggle. He will make the final conclusions. If this solution here is not agreeable, go get bent. Many Hugs, Uncle Traveling Matt No. Fat. Chicks! 1 Quote STFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 23 hours ago, Fraggle said: From The Desk of Uncle Traveling Matt The Best Nation Ever, Fraggle Rock Greetings Friends!! We Fraggles fell asleep to this nonsense on page three. That's great news for all parties. We can't, nor do we care to follow along. We are the perfect nation to hold true and honest talks to end this "stale mate". Here's what we promise: 1) An end to the war. 2) A chance to "save face" on all sides 3) The possibility of a stable environment going forward 4) Getting y'all to shut the F up over this crap. Now, we don't have a real dog in this fight. We just want everyone to come together, figure this out in a civil manner, and regroup as a world to focus on something better. Now, how do you plan to do this Uncle Traveling Matt? Great Question!! I suggest that both sides send 3 members to the table. Once seated, I will open the gifts that were brought. The first side will have 3 minutes to make their case. No interruptions! The other side will have a chance of rebuttal. Then the second side will make their case, with rebuttal from the first side. I will post my findings in public and give each side one post to make a final decision. Then I will present all arguments to Minister Wembley Fraggle. He will make the final conclusions. If this solution here is not agreeable, go get bent. Many Hugs, Uncle Traveling Matt You could've just said arbitrator. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Memph Posted December 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2018 I'm not going to read the whole thread, so I just want to say that out-damaging my opponents is fun. I also don't really care if it gets us better terms or not because it's not a means to an end, I'm enjoying this much more than peace time. 8 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinesomeMC Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 On 12/7/2018 at 10:31 AM, Balish said: Congrats on completely derailing the entire conversation @Inst I don't even think @MinesomeMCcould be this effective im only a meme idk who he thinks he is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonK Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 On 12/4/2018 at 12:51 AM, Nizam Adrienne said: -snip- That my dear, is how coaltions work. It's not hive mind, every representative has his own agenda. And that's why attempting to make counter offers is retarded. They probably barely even agreed on that term alone, and now you want to change it to something taht at least some of members dislike. Good luck with that 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Anarch Caelum Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 If both sides want this over, I don’t see why people don’t just end this with a handshake & white peace (or admission of defeat.) I think asking for more throws an intentional blockade in any agreement, if an alliance wants to drag it out further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ripper Posted December 11, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Noctis said: If both sides want this over, I don’t see why people don’t just end this with a handshake & white peace (or admission of defeat.) I think asking for more throws an intentional blockade in any agreement, if an alliance wants to drag it out further. This is not accurate. I would say that, at the moment, "both sides don't mind dragging the war our". 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 12 hours ago, Ripper said: This is not accurate. I would say that, at the moment, "both sides don't mind dragging the war our". I don't even feel satisfactorily fed yet. *Picks teeth with the bone of a fallen soldier.* 1 Quote V̢ͭ̔ͣͯͫ͐ͥ̄͗ͬ̄ͭ͏̹͖̺̲͕̦͉̣̙́i̡͕͙̺̗̻̹̘͇̋̽̆ͮ̈́́ͭ͢͢͞n̢̛̫̘͎̝̪̪͔̙̗̘͚͇͚̣̦ͫ̊ͩ͊͌͘͜͝i̡̱̭͉͔̘̖̠̲̺̍͐ͯ̌̈̾̾́̔͑̋ͬͯ̑̚͠ ̸̷̨̜̦͓͖͖̹̫̹̖̮͙̻̻̹̺̞͍̙ͥ̏̃ͨ̓͑̏͊̀ͯ̉ͯ̒͒͗̄̚V̢̢̡̙̻̳̘͖̖̟͚̣̬̏͐ͮ͒̎̈̽̽̾̂̔̅ͩͪͦ̑̿̏̍ͅͅi̶͍̮͈͇̰̫̯͉̜͒́̉̊̓̚͘̕ḑ̸͈̟̫̹̟͓̹̠͇̗͖̤̥̰̲̬ͮ̉ͫi̴͔̪͍͇͌̋̆̃͆̈̔ͧ͆̎̋ͥͫͫ́͢͠ ͕̞̠̯͍̫͚̪̺͓̣̦̖ͧ̓ͬ̎̀͝ͅV̴̨̤̙͔̥͍̟̦̥̺̟̯͔̤̫ͬͮ͑͌i̞͎̹͇̻͎̘̳̮̤͙̯̩ͪ̂͌̐ͪ͐̓̃ͧ̈̓͛̎̄̈͞͡ͅd̸̵̬̫͔͙̀̓͐̈́͜͡e͍̝̗̱̝͈̣̤̜̳͑̓͂̈ͯͤ̕͡v̸̖̰̟͈̠̰̣̮̦ͭ̆̑ͮͮ̾͊ͤ̒̊̊ͯ̈́ͬ͌ͭ̚͜ȏ̧͊̿͑ͯ̚͏̲̣̩̼͙ṙ̴̴̠̗̼̥͈̣̌͋̃̔̎̿ͨͥ͗̈̋̋̆̐̀ͩͦ̕͘͜ͅá̵̦͎̣͇̦̙͙͖̟̣̲̳̘̣̣̳̝͊̈́̐̇̑̔̈̉͒̆ͬv̵̨̭̝̯̫̞̜̭̭̘ͦͧͭ͋̂ͣͨͮ̑ͪͤ͌ͣ̒̽̾̾͢͠͡î̛̞̟̤͍̰̂ͪ͛̒̍̅͒̉̅ͥͯ̌̽̈́̾̈͛̏͡ț̷̲̟͎̰̟͇͖͖̻̼̰̞͎̯͚͚ͩͧͨ̆͗̕͢.̵̢̦̭̳̗͖͙̼̜̩̖̹̤͓͔̈́ͫ̂͊ͩͮͤ̕͢͡ͅ ̴̡̰̙̙͕̩͈̩̻͕̰̠͑̅̔ͩ͛ͩ͆̂̀̋ͬ͂̑̔I̶̢͇̖͖̥̠̳̘͚̓͋ͮͮ̊̽ͯ̈̽̒̓ͮ͂ͨ́͠f̶̴̥̗̙̳̫̜̥̗̞̳̍̅̎̍̒̒ͮ̇̈̊̿̚̕ ̸̢͕͇̜̙̩̭̮̱̈̓͆ͨ̄ͥͮ̽ͧ́́͘ͅy̡̱͚̺͈̳̤̺̞͎̻̮̣̤̘͖̥̗̬͒̊̉̅̆ͧ́͛̌̑ͣ̿̾͋̊̀͜͟͡o͚̳̯͙̬̦͉͚͙̦ͣͥ̿̏̌ͩ͗͌̎̆ͫ̌̿ͫͩͥ̕͝ͅu̷̲̘̖̯͈ͪ̔̇ͥͧ̈́̓ͬ̓͑ͨ̋̓̃̅͜͜ͅ ̸̢̖͇̜͖̺̙̲͙̻̫̝̣̗̈ͦ́͞a̶̢̢̰̻̰͍͎͙̺̪̪ͯͯ̄̋ͮ̒͛̅ͬ͆͐ͧ̃ͬͤ͛ͯ͟r̷̟̦͈͈̥̤̖̤͔͎̤͉̜̼͇͇ͭ͂ͩ̔ͥ̀͋ͨ̈́̊͐̈̆͒̓̃̎́̕͘͝e̶̱͓̜͙ͩ͒ͪ̂͛̋͆̈̂̌̌̒̂̐ͪ͗̓͐͠͞ ̴ͦ̉̏̓ͨͬ̐̓͛ͦ̽ͮ̎̎̓͟͏̶͏͖̩͙͕̗̘͉̯̫̹̱̺̻̞͇á̴̧̮̹̜͓͕͒̽̈ͤͪͮ͋̊̑̔ͤ͂̉͑͛̚͜t̛ͪͮ̈́̋̉͏̮̫͓͙̲͔̼ ̴̵͎̫̝̼͈̰͇̑͋ͤͩͮ͘w̵̡̥̫͉̯̯̭̪͈̜͎̤͇̙͎͖̳̝͛̄̔ͯ͐̓̅ͩ͑̃ͤͥ̕͢a̵̡̡ͦͫ͊ͣ̍̓͐͒̈̒ͧ͌̉͛͏͖͕̜͉͉r̵̛̘̞͙͕̉̄̔́̉̓ͯ͌̾̓̄͞͡ ̨͊̇̊͏̛͓͕̘̤͟͞w̢͚͎̥̙̜̠̻̫̹̮̦͛̑͒͋̏͗̊͜͞i̸̶̧͖͈̥͚̭̰̦̞̫̥̬̰̝͍̬̗̦͚̲ͨͨ̉͟t̸̵̵͖̦͉͕̱͇̐͑ͧ̋͆̀̔ͯͨ͌͆̚ḧ̵̛͎̫̬̣̩͇̥̞̭̼̜̩͕̈̐̂̌̍̎ͬͭ͌͠ ̛̘̫͔̹͓̻̗̻̲͉̞̞͚̩̯̮ͪ̔̌̿̍ͦ̀ͥ̍̎̿ͨ̽̀́͢͠m̶̶̡̭͎͎̤̩̹̩̞͇̦̼̳̝̑̅̑͛̽ͭ̅̓̆̍ͫͮ́̄͘ͅeͬ̊ͨ͂̿ͨ̊͝҉̸̺̰̯̤͚̖͜ͅ,̡͎̖͇̙͎̿ͨ̆ͤ̑́͡ ̷̸̫̲͕̻̫̰͇̖̳̗̙ͮ́̓̉ͯͭ̀́͜ͅp̆͐ͥ̐͒ͦ̐͊̂̓̈̊̽ͫ͊̊̇ͨ͠͏̸̼̘̦̺͈̠̰̤͚̝͙̰̺̩̰r̛͙̩̭͚̞͇̩̥̼̦ͯ̇̃̐̂̔ͫͯͫ̏ͭͤ̑̀̽̾͗ͫ̓̀̕͡ͅe̛̳͖͚͇͎͑͑̓̍̓͗͗̓̄ͦ͠͝͡p̸̘̮͉̼̯̲̻͔͕͇͖͖̟̗̭̹̘͚̗ͩ͗͛̉͒ͥ̀̌̆ͩͤ̃ͨ̽̿͒ͨ͠͠a̸̷͒̒̍̀͗͑͜͏̱̘̘̲̮̯̳̘̀r͙̜̝̲̯̝͔̦̺̗͉͚͉͙͍̠̓ͦ͊̿ͬ̈ͪ͂̌̚͟͡͡ͅe̶̪̱̪̟̣͉͉̹͈̫͇̝̪̮̙ͯ͂̈̈̓ͦ̍̂̾̏ͪ̏ͭͧ͛ ̷̧̭̝̺̗̟ͬ̾̏ͫ̕t̷̵̡͓͔̜͙̘͈̲͈̳ͦ̊̇̽̅̄̀ͮ̒ͪ͆̑̓͊́͝ͅǫ̶͈̞͚̹̻̤̲̙͖̪̍̃̐̏ͦͪͦͤͩ̽̿̿ͮͪ̿̀͂̀͡ ̡̤̹̲̜̪̞̽̽̓ͥ̒ͨ͊̐ͫ͗ͫ̐̈́̑ͥ̕͢͡b̴̨̨̛̦͇̪̠̺͔͙̤̜̉͐̓̌̀͟ͅͅë̢̼͔̗̰̦̼̘̯̟̩͚́͗͆͒͋̀͆̑̋ͩ̉̒͊ͬ͊̃ͪ̆͊͟͡ ̵̡̛̳̜̦̱͎̞ͤͣ̏͒ͯ̇̈́͗ͮ̇̎ͬͧc̴͍̞̼̹ͨͭ̇̒͌͗̉ͥͥ͗̓̎̌̅͒ͭ̇̅́o̧̧̤̘͕̬̰̣͔͖̘̥͖̜̐ͥ́ͤ̒̔͘͠ͅņ̶̛͔͎͍͉ͪ̾̃ͦ͛̈́̒̅̒s̶̷̸̙͍̹͎̬̜̦̞̤̥̦̙̞̥͚͈̬̋̃͒ͮ͒ͪ̆ͩͯ̒͋̾̒̾͋̅͌̓͡ǔ̶͚͈̠̭̻̜̉ͪ́̓ͩͤ̅̌̌̈̍ͤ̾̌͛ͥ͗ͦ͟͜͞m̛̯̪̘͍̜͕͕̞̤͖͉͉͔̞͙͈͓̐ͦͯ̽ͬ͒̾ͣ̓̒̔͛ͤ̎̏̈͜͝è̵̱̜̯̙͔̜̝͙̼̬̤̥̒̒ͣ͒̈́͊̀́̕͟ḑ̧̅͂̈͌̔ͧͤ̋ͤ́́̒̂̋͗͆ͮ̚҉̙͚̬̻͎͚̤͞.̴̨̺̜̟̯̹̪͋̋͆ͫͧ̐̔ͩ̉͌̋͋͞ >! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan1 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) I certainly don't want this over. Three of the largest spheres are preoccupied with this war, leaving loads of open raid targets for the neutral spheres/Arrgh Edited December 12, 2018 by Ryan1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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