Popular Post Thalmor Posted September 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2018 Micros with little to no political sway or relevance have been making threads in Alliance Affairs for a long time. These micros tend to be quite powerless, and disband fairly quickly. It's annoying to see all their threads clog up Alliances Affairs. I don't think micros that are almost completely irrelevant should have their threads alongside the threads of powerful, relevant AAs such as The Syndicate, or Black Knights. Even a simple government change within the top 30 will have more impact on the game within a short period of time than what most micros accomplish their entire existence. Micro alliances should have their own subforum in Alliance Affairs. That way, the announcements of larger, more inpacting alliances can be easier to find and less clogged up with pointless threads. Micros can still make their announcements, of course, and even have the added benefit of not having to compete for attention over the announcements of larger alliances which overshadow them. As for what defines a micro, I think any alliance outside the top 45 is fairly reasonable. Maybe we can have a discussion on that. If Nation Affairs can have 3 subforums for... whatever reason, then I don't see why Alliance Affairs can't have a subforum to keep the irrelevant micro announcements from the announcements of fairly powerful alliances that'll still be around in 3 months. Counter arguments are welcome. Maybe I'm wrong about something. Maybe I'm not seeing a bigger picture. Let's have a discussion. 2 13 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Hrm. I've been thinking about this for a bit, and I'm going to have to make a few counter-arguments. First, defining a micro by top 45 is highly limiting; for a start you've got Arrgh sitting pretty right there in the 'micro' tier at #46*. And otherwise relevant alliances that get rolled might end up dropping below that threshold. Would threads about rolled alliances need to be moved by moderators or by an automatic script as necessary? That seems counterproductive to me, but what other options are there? We could extend the threshold downwards, but then the utility diminishes anyway. Second, what about protectorates? Or using micros as mercenaries? Bank alliances? Just because an alliance is tiny doesn't mean that they're not relevant to somebody, somehow. And even if the announcement doesn't have anything directly to do with a non-micro alliance, maybe it's sponsored by a big name or guaranteed or something. Heck, by that logic there's not a single announcement on the first page of Alliance Affairs right now that wouldn't belong there under your system, since all those micros have treaties or protectors in the top 45. Third, putting micro announcements into a containment board means that their announcements aren't given the same level of exposure as an established alliance. That's a problem on many levels, not the least of which is that their initial growth and their ability to escape the micro ghetto depends in large part on their visibility. Recruitment is hard enough for an alliance that can't say "we're literally #1 in this/that/otherthing so join us", so making it just that much worse for growing alliances isn't a good. Furthermore, what if they get dec'd on and rolled? Are they to ineffectually scream into an unobserved board about their plight? If they got hit by a large force then the argument can be made that the announcement is relevant by association to the larger force, but lacking either, then they're even less likely to escape the micro ghetto their low score has sentenced them to. I do realize that it really doesn't matter that much when tinyalliance renames themselves into microd*ck, and it's bothersome to have to check on the off chance that maybe it does, but implementing this suggestion would only cause more problems IMO... and honestly, it wouldn't even solve anything in the first place. *arguments about Arrgh being relevant these days or not are tangential to the point 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted September 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2018 And do you think micros are actually going to follow this rule? or even know to follow this rule? 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin076 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Micros are literally playing a whole other game and don't have a clue whats going on. Its almost like two separate dimensions. Point is, two separate games, two separate forum sections. This is definitely a must. 2 1 Quote Chief Financial Officer of The Syndicate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: And do you think micros are actually going to follow this rule? or even know to follow this rule? Of course not, which is why moderation will enforce it. That's why we have a mod team. If a micro posts an alliance in Alliance Affairs rather than the subforum, players can report the thread in the moderation forum or report the OP of the thread. @Sir Scarfalot I'm typing up a fairly comprehensive response to your counter points, but I've been sick so it's slow going. I'll post it here soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sketchy Posted September 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: And do you think micros are actually going to follow this rule? or even know to follow this rule? This basically. As much as a I hate the micro spam, I doubt this solves it. 32 minutes ago, Thalmor said: Of course not, which is why moderation will enforce it. That's why we have a mod team. >trusting the mod team to do their job properly 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 As the leader of a micro alliance that will most likely disband before the year's end, I approve of this. Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buorhann said: As the leader of a micro alliance that will most likely disband before the year's end, I approve of this. Don't tell anybody, but the real reason why I'm proposing this is to suppress The Golden Horse. xo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Epi Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 762 Edited February 16, 2021 by Epi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) This is the gayest shit I've ever heard. I'm down. EDIT: Coming back to this thread, 12 minutes later, and actually reading replies. This makes sense and also will cause several issues. For starters you'll have those that are like...posting in the wrong area and people are gonna be spam posting that its in the wrong spot and that's just something I don't want to deal with as a moderator ( jab at alex ) but seriously moving a thread ain't that bad and its doable. It would just be the spam comments that really don't belong which would just make their news...shidded up. As a person who is in a secret micro tier server containing just about every active micro leader/gov person, micros aren't oblivious to what is going on in the world, especially with the server being up and running, people share news and operate in the micro world just like they do in the scummy elitist world. So, saying people in the micro tier are oblivious is pretty ignorant & not 100% correct...don't get me wrong there are plenty of micro alliances that are not connected to the world, but thats because they are doing their own thing and mostly pertains to sticking to the theme RP that they engage in and that is ok. Lastly, the line of what is micro and what isn't micro is honestly not black and white. Everyone views 'micro' as a completely different thing. I personally consider myself micro simply because we have 14 members, we choose to be this way as it is how we operate and plenty of other alliances operate within their own culture too. Some people base micro off rank, some on score, some on members, some on average score, some on city count, on notability, on diplomatic ties, on.....see? The list keeps going and we've had this discussion in the micro server and every person had a different idea of what micro is - probably the same way everyone has a different idea what top tier is - ya know with TKR saying they aren't and everyone saying they are? So a neutral line would have to be drawn which probably associates more closely with alliance ranking. Just say everyone below X number is micro, it will piss people off - but at this point in time, who really cares? I'm for it. Why? Because I don't see it as a way to segregate and I don't believe that tier of alliances/forum will receive less views because frankly, 'non-micro' alliances post up a ton of shit threads too - most is a waste of time and just boring. As a remark to protectorates and all that. -If the big guy is posting about it, post it in the big boy forum. -If the little guy is posting about it, post it in the little boy forum. No need to draw it out into all these subcategories of discussion - its a pretty simple set.. Edited September 17, 2018 by Mad Max 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 There are 25 threads on the first page of Alliance Affairs. 1 is pinned and about the rules, so it's really 24. Out of these 24, about 15 of them are from micros, and the other 9 are from relevant alliances. Micro threads: https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23966-unified-nations-coalition-doe/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23962-omg-jedi-merge/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23948-unc-spying/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23952-new-containment-protocol/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23954-nova-riata-doe/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23862-the-phoenix-is-dead/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23914-egyptian-empire-doe/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23874-what-is-that-the-theme-of-this-family-when-in-doubt-blame-unlimited/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23841-sirius-slightly-late-doe/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23886-we-are-the-meta-sorta/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23868-fezza-not-part-of-us-omega/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23836-united-hoods-doe/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23857-omegas-new-deputy-prime-minister/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23845-out-of-the-ashes/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23843-everyone-else-was-doing-it/ Relevant threads: https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23946-wintry-thorns/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23887-avalon’s-avarice/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23915-round-2/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23909-blessed-by-the-gods/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23879-its-not-you-apparently-its-me/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23833-i-see-something-purple/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23846-rose-goes-public/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23847-that-was-slightly-but-not-really-entertaining/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23844-containment-level-maximum/ ----- This is ridiculous. It's clogging up Alliance Affairs and it's making it harder to find the threads from relevant alliances. I'm not even saying that micros shouldn't post their announcement. All I'm saying is that it needs its own subforum so Alliance Affairs isn't such a clusterfrick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadow Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 There are time when small alliances make an impact What you are telling is to sort out Micros from Macros But what I'll suggest is sorting Important from Not Important Also, as Scar already mentioned relevance is based on your perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 31 minutes ago, Thalmor said: There are 25 threads on the first page of Alliance Affairs. 1 is pinned and about the rules, so it's really 24. Out of these 24, about 15 of them are from micros, and the other 9 are from relevant alliances. Micro threads: https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23966-unified-nations-coalition-doe/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23962-omg-jedi-merge/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23948-unc-spying/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23952-new-containment-protocol/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23954-nova-riata-doe/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23862-the-phoenix-is-dead/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23914-egyptian-empire-doe/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23874-what-is-that-the-theme-of-this-family-when-in-doubt-blame-unlimited/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23841-sirius-slightly-late-doe/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23886-we-are-the-meta-sorta/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23868-fezza-not-part-of-us-omega/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23836-united-hoods-doe/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23857-omegas-new-deputy-prime-minister/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23845-out-of-the-ashes/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23843-everyone-else-was-doing-it/ Relevant threads: https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23946-wintry-thorns/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23887-avalon’s-avarice/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23915-round-2/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23909-blessed-by-the-gods/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23879-its-not-you-apparently-its-me/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23833-i-see-something-purple/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23846-rose-goes-public/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23847-that-was-slightly-but-not-really-entertaining/ https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/23844-containment-level-maximum/ ----- This is ridiculous. It's clogging up Alliance Affairs and it's making it harder to find the threads from relevant alliances. I'm not even saying that micros shouldn't post their announcement. All I'm saying is that it needs its own subforum so Alliance Affairs isn't such a clusterfrick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mad Max said: It's okay, I know it was just a joke thread. ❤️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, Thalmor said: It's okay, I know it was just a joke thread. ❤️ You want to separate me pa pa? (thats why i'm crying) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mad Max said: You want to separate me pa pa? (thats why i'm crying) Well, The Island might be considered a micro in terms of score and alliance rank, but it's held together better than most alliances around it in score and it's connected to some big names. It's just one of those grey areas that would have to be worked out... which is something we can discuss in this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadow Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, Thalmor said: Well, The Island might be considered a micro in terms of score and alliance rank, but it's held together better than most alliances around it in score and it's connected to some big names. It's just one of those grey areas that would have to be worked out... which is something we can discuss in this thread. What about Cammy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheShadow said: What about Cammy? Camelot is #40, so I wouldn't consider them a micro (although they're close to the line). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftbehind Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 As much as I want to agree with you and say it's a brilliant idea. I just don't believe it is necessary. Most of the big players barely announce anything so it's not like any of us are missing much by the mirco nonsense. Sure, I can definitely go without hearing about a 2 vote election but the Second coming spy stuff was sorta entertaining. It should also be remembered that so many of these "relevant" alliance topics just turn into a "whose more salty debate". Quote FORMER LEADER OF COTL. PLEASE GROW INTERNALLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyGamer Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Dude... you're giving the moderators one thing you definitely don't want to.. more responsibility. We all know their decision making skill so let's not give them more work. Also @TheShadow what you're suggesting is more subjective to a person's view (Important vs unimportant). At least ranking is defined. There are some good Micros out there. They are relevant and popular enough. I would rather suggest Topic categories/tag. like "Irrelevant/Micro" or "Relevant/Arrgh" being assigned by moderators according to rank... and then people who have problems can sort with categories. Don't you dare put Arrgh in Micros. We're the most relevant alliance clearly. At least in that score range. (ffs look at the number of wars we have at any point and how many times we get mentioned in Pantheon's discord) Arrgh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 I'd disagree. All alliances are alliances. If you're upset with their announcements, use in-game means to handle it. Stop running to Alex to fix all your "problems" Thalmor. You could easily have ET hit all these plebs and issue a "No OWF" directive. Since this can be solved with in-game actions, no. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadow Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 On 9/30/2018 at 8:19 PM, Kastor said: You could easily have ET hit all these plebs and issue a "No OWF" directive The legendary alliance called ET is no more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 it has been decided that this should happen. F the MICROS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroshima Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 [spolier]This is stupid[/spolier] 1 Quote “I'm cheap and enjoy butchering” - Manthrax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 Since this war has broken out, there's been several threads related to micros that have furthered clogged up Alliance Affairs. People looking to archive things, do research, and go back and look at these things from the future will have a harder time thanks to these irrelevant threads. Examples include: 1 - Some guy being naive about how this game works: https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/24186-god-of-alliance-creation/ 2 - DoE of an alliance that's #130 with only 2 members in-game: https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/24188-blue-alantians-doe/ 3 - A micro's DoW. The OP contained the entire script of Braveheart. Nobody thought it was funny: https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/24136-dixie-goes-south-and-istem-too/ 4 - The same alliance withdrawing 4 days later: https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/24173-the-federation-withdrawal/ 5 - An micro ranked #56 that has accomplished nothing and is 150 days old announcing a rebrand: https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/24142-the-age-of-reformation/ 6 - A micro DoW on another micro: https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/24135-uh-tdu-declaration-of-war/ Again, I'm not saying these alliances can't post on Alliance Affairs. I'm saying they should have a separate subforum so their stuff doesn't get in the way. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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