Pheonix Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Wilhelm the Demented said: Protectorates do not transfer through MDPs. Think through the logical implications of what you just posted. SG is an extension of Camelot, and has always been treated as such. Like I have said multiple times before, AK knew damn well of this and a small little mistake in the alliance description doesn't break all ties 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exar Kun -George Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/325228212818935810/486340807939588106/video.mov Posed for @ivk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, hope said: "An attack on SG is an attack on Camelot" what other way to interpret that is there than "BK will intervene because we protect Camelot" So, historically in both this game and other games, alliances with MD/MDoAP treaties have used the phrase "an attack on x is an attack on y" to indicate the level of commitment they have. It can be interpreted as a mere confirmation of the MDoAP. If it's not confirmed by BK and the alliance in question shows no direct ties to BK, then thats muddy. Regardless, that's not really the core of t$' issue with this situation, as i've stated a good few times now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert Name Here Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 This is all stupid and pointless. Both sides should have handled it a lot better. You're all big boys, next time try to sort this shit out diplomatically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Insert Name Here said: This is all stupid and pointless. Both sides should have handled it a lot better. You're all big boys, next time try to sort this shit out diplomatically. We tried. It was ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Pheonix said: SG is an extension of Camelot, and has always been treated as such. Like I have said multiple times before, AK knew damn well of this and a small little mistake in the alliance description doesn't break all ties And yet an MDP still doesn't transfer protection. e$ is an extension of t$ and everyone should know that - but we still make it plain and apparent what the relationship is regarding protection. SG mishandled their treaties, Camelot fumbled their FA, and BK lied so they could make it all right again. What's not to love about this glorious example of competent scheming? 1 Quote One must imagine Sisyphus happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 38 minutes ago, Prefonteen said: So, historically in both this game and other games, alliances with MD/MDoAP treaties have used the phrase "an attack on x is an attack on y" to indicate the level of commitment they have. It can be interpreted as a mere confirmation of the MDoAP. If it's not confirmed by BK and the alliance in question shows no direct ties to BK, then thats muddy. Regardless, that's not really the core of t$' issue with this situation, as i've stated a good few times now. thanks for clarifying o7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Vince McMahon said: It only makes sense... I fricking love you, because this is what I wanted to post but legit figured NOBODY would even understand. THANK YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheonix Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) and AYYLAH REIGNS SUPREME OVER ORBIS!! PRAYYSE AYYLAH! AYYLAHU DOGEBAR!!! Edited September 4, 2018 by Pheonix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Insert Name Here said: This is all stupid and pointless. Both sides should have handled it a lot better. You're all big boys, next time try to sort this shit out diplomatically. Here's the fun part, there was an attempt. BK felt the need to attack AK mid negotiations for whatever reason they'll conjure up now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheonix Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Cypher said: Here's the fun part, there was an attempt. BK felt the need to attack AK mid negotiations for whatever reason they'll conjure up now. Ayylah was calling but, you know, I could also bring up the point that AK should have dealt with this diplomatically instead of attacking. You can make the same argument for both sides... Edited September 4, 2018 by Pheonix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pheonix said: Ayylah was calling but, you know, I could also bring up the point that AK should have dealt with this diplomatically instead of attacking. You can make the same argument for both sides... Yeah, and if you follow that logic to its theoretical conclusion then TheShadow should have dealt with it diplomatically instead of raiding. Or bank robbing, whichever, I dunno. Point is you can either blah blah blah treaty chess e-lawyer or you can just hit the red button, let's see some action Edited September 4, 2018 by Sir Scarfalot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Pheonix said: but, you know, I could also bring up the point that AK should have dealt with this diplomatically instead of attacking. You can make the same argument for both sides... That's completely different to figuring out a diplomatic route out while suddenly finding out all your attempts of negotiating in good faith suddenly dissipate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Who Me Posted September 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2018 BK has never been shy about going to war when they needed to or were bored, which was probably the case here. They were bored and someone gave then an excuse. If you don't like it, do something about it, otherwise bugger off. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted September 4, 2018 Author Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Who Me said: BK has never been shy about going to war when they needed to or were bored, which was probably the case here. They were bored and someone gave then an excuse. If you don't like it, do something about it, otherwise bugger off. I miss those days. We should all do a reunion tour next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Curufinwe Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 58 minutes ago, Who Me said: BK has never been shy about going to war when they needed to or were bored, which was probably the case here. They were bored and someone gave then an excuse. If you don't like it, do something about it, otherwise bugger off. Who Me gets it. 1 hour ago, Cypher said: That's completely different to figuring out a diplomatic route out while suddenly finding out all your attempts of negotiating in good faith suddenly dissipate. I mean we told them that we'd intervene if they hit Camelot over Shadow's supposed debt. We also informed them that we agreed with Cam's position that SG is part of their AA, meaning that attacks on SG would trigger a response from us. They opted to continue fighting SG anyways, so we backed up our words with a few counters. Considering we confined ourselves to AK people hitting SG and refrained from targetting anyone who wasn't directly targeting our allies, I'd say the response was reasonable given the circumstances. Anyways, the issue has been resolved diplomatically - AK is peacing out SG, BK is peacing out AK and SG's AA page is a little clearer to prevent these sort of misunderstandings in the future. So happy Labour day I guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoje Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 It's admirable that AK is following their great predecessor's tactics of raiding half of Orbis. Once Pantheon, always Pantheon. The question is how long until they get probed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Curufinwe said: Anyways, the issue has been resolved diplomatically - AK is peacing out SG, BK is peacing out AK and SG's AA page is a little clearer to prevent these sort of misunderstandings in the future. So happy Labour day I guess? No global war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lossi Posted September 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2018 Listening to AK complain about stolen money is cute. Truly is. 9 Quote Quote Former leader of Chocolate Castle 4/1/2021 "It's pretty easy to get abused by Rosey without being a weirdo about it" - Betilius "Rosey is everything I look for in a fighter" - partisan "I’m very much not surprised that Lossi has you blocked tbh" - @MCMaster-095 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStrum Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 6 hours ago, ⚔ϟħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™⚔ said: I miss those days. We should all do a reunion tour next year. You still have my tiara? Lost it in the packing. 1 1 Quote On 3/16/2016 at 9:54 PM, Lykos said: Our next move is obviously rolling LordStrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verin Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 ? you may call this stupid, but I call this music to my ears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 14 hours ago, Curufinwe said: Considering we confined ourselves to AK people hitting SG and refrained from targetting anyone who wasn't directly targeting our allies, I'd say the response was reasonable given the circumstances. Much more reasonable than what I do. Any alliance that has a member hit any of my ties, or my alliance, and I tell my Milcom to frick their alliance up. Sure gets their attention quick that way. 2 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skittles Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Why do some of y'all care if the war was justified or not? War is the only thing stopping the game from stagnating; Be happy, get excited, stop complaining. Quote I have no idea what I'm doing but that doesn't stop me from doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Cianuro said: Why do some of y'all care if the war was justified or not? War is the only thing stopping the game from stagnating; Be happy, get excited, stop complaining. we will when the person telling us this didn't just tiptoe around lulzily slapping a micro because HS would get all whiny and HS is for some reason i can't possibly understand tied to T$. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Syndicate gives others chances. I don’t blame them for giving HS a shot. Granted I personally wouldn’t after their ordeal in the previous war against IQ, but I tend to dislike drama in coalition chats. I always advise people to deal with it in private beforehand. Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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