Lordship Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Spaceman Thrax said: You're always going to miss out on some important cases when you reduce entire alliances to such a simple little qualifier. But for the most part I think of upper tier alliances as composed of larger nations (16-18 cities plus/over 3k ns or so). If your alliance is JUST those nations, you're definitely upper tier. TKR is a good example of where that labeling system falls apart, because they are huge, but their tiering is all over the place. I wouldn't call them an upper tier alliance in the same breath I'd call something like Guardian one. I'd probably call TKR "An alliance that has an upper tier" rather than "an upper tier alliance". We agree completely Quote Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Lordship said: We agree completely I agree completely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sargun said: I agree completely I agree that you two agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skittles Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 10 hours ago, Buorhann said: And yet they have more than most others combined. It does all depend on definition, and my definition is an alliance primarily composed of upper tier nations. Quote I have no idea what I'm doing but that doesn't stop me from doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skittles Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Kastor said: It’s amazing people always try to discredit me by, what I believe, insinuating I don’t have intelligence. Your average city count is 15. The upper tier is around 18-19. You have 49 nations at 18+. The Commonwealth has 39. Guardian has 31. So would you say that TCW and Guardian are upper tier alliances or mid tier? Also, before you ask, TCW is split closer to 50/50, with 55% being above 18 cities while Guardian has 62% above. TKR has 35% above, but the most 18+ cities in the game. So who is upper tier and who isn’t, Lordship? Hypothetical: An alliance has 150 members, 50 in upper tier, 50 in mid tier, and 50 in low tier, so ~33% each (close to TKR's 35% upper tier). I would say that this alliance has a large upper tier, but is not an upper tier alliance due to that fact that the majority of their nations are not upper tier. An upper tier alliance would be GoB because the majority of their nations are upper tier. But anyways, the entire definition of an upper tier alliance is subjective, and because of such there's no real reason to argue about it, it's more of a my opinion vs your opinion back and forth. Quote I have no idea what I'm doing but that doesn't stop me from doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStrum Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Micchan said: I agree that you two agree i respect that Quote On 3/16/2016 at 9:54 PM, Lykos said: Our next move is obviously rolling LordStrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegoz Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 44 minutes ago, LordStrum said: i respect that I respect that you respect that Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Lordship said: "It’s amazing people always try to discredit me by, what I believe, insinuating I don’t have intelligence. " - If you read my reply as trying to insinuate that you aren't intelligent, then you're doing this on your own lol. I was just saying how its easy to check the numbers. You're not a victim I'd say they are upper tier alliances because the majority of their membership is in that range, which is consistent with what I said above. 14 hours ago, Lordship said: We're in agreement there So when Smetchy made the exact opposite claim and you agreed with him, what did that mean? Because you’re not being consistent. 4 hours ago, Micchan said: TKR has 38% of upper tier nations therefore TKR is an upper tier alliance Humans and bananas have 60% of DNA in common therefore bananas are primates Lordship said that, not me. You’re insulting Lordship. 2 hours ago, Cianuro said: Hypothetical: An alliance has 150 members, 50 in upper tier, 50 in mid tier, and 50 in low tier, so ~33% each (close to TKR's 35% upper tier). I would say that this alliance has a large upper tier, but is not an upper tier alliance due to that fact that the majority of their nations are not upper tier. An upper tier alliance would be GoB because the majority of their nations are upper tier. But anyways, the entire definition of an upper tier alliance is subjective, and because of such there's no real reason to argue about it, it's more of a my opinion vs your opinion back and forth. I agree, but Lordship has had 2 different opinions and I just want him to clarify which is the one we’re going with today. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Is this really a worthwhile argument to pursue over one person's opinion though, @Kastor? 2 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, Cianuro said: I agree, I think that TKR has good blending of their tiers, but are not necessarily a high tier alliance unlike GoB, TEst, CoS, etc... It's Grumpy 3 hours ago, Cianuro said: Hypothetical: An alliance has 150 members, 50 in upper tier, 50 in mid tier, and 50 in low tier, so ~33% each (close to TKR's 35% upper tier). I would say that this alliance has a large upper tier, but is not an upper tier alliance due to that fact that the majority of their nations are not upper tier. An upper tier alliance would be GoB because the majority of their nations are upper tier. But anyways, the entire definition of an upper tier alliance is subjective, and because of such there's no real reason to argue about it, it's more of a my opinion vs your opinion back and forth. Its still Grumpy, and you are correct the majority of our nations are all upper tier, we have do have 4 bottom tier members that ruin it ranging from 22-24 cities. Also 18 cities being considered upper tier... Edited August 10, 2018 by Sweeeeet Ronny D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: It's Grumpy Its still Grumpy, and you are correct the majority of our nations are all upper tier, we have do have 4 bottom tier members that ruin it ranging from 22-24 cities. Also 18 cities being considered upper tier... Let me join your alliance Ronny that way you can claim diversity of nations and that you're not just all upper tier :^) Also give me all your money lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Micchan said: TKR has 38% of upper tier nations therefore TKR is an upper tier alliance Humans and bananas have 60% of DNA in common therefore bananas are primates Ah, but you are what you eat. Therefore humans are bananas. You have more upper tier nations than several upper tier alliances, therefore you are an upper tier alliance. You have less upper tier nations proportionately speaking than several upper tier alliances, therefore you are not an upper tier alliance. Therefore you are both an upper tier alliance and not an upper tier alliance, and also bananas. Edited August 10, 2018 by Sir Scarfalot eh, my posts can't all be winners 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Kastor said: So when Smetchy made the exact opposite claim and you agreed with him, what did that mean? Because you’re not being consistent. No idea who this Smetchy guy is, but I made the exact same claim as Thrax did, which is that labels are redundant. Of course I also said that I think quantity of upper tier matters more than proportion, and that I would personally define TKR as an "upper tier" alliance, but that is why the label is kinda pointless, since its subjective. Whenever people throw out these labels I usually bring actual stats to the discussion to avoid this particular debate anyway. So yes, In an actual war scenario, TKR is the most dominant alliance in the upper tier, in the game currently. How you choose to define that is up to you. Edited August 11, 2018 by Sketchy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 ah we could take em, upper tier vs upper tier. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordship Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 On 8/10/2018 at 3:30 PM, Kastor said: So when Smetchy made the exact opposite claim and you agreed with him, what did that mean? Because you’re not being consistent. Lordship said that, not me. You’re insulting Lordship. I agree, but Lordship has had 2 different opinions and I just want him to clarify which is the one we’re going with today. 1. Sketchy and Thrax's points are incredibly similar, about how a simple label is problematic. I agreed with Thrax in that we are an alliance "with an upper tier" as opposed to being "an upper tier alliance". 2. I never said we were an upper tier alliance. In fact, I have been contending from the very first post that we aren't. I am convinced you have not seriously read any of the posts in this thread based on your questionable replies. You are the one listing percentages and Micchan was replying to you. Having to explain this is hilarious lol Quote Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan77 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Interesting that we qualify as upper tier. Sure, we have a large upper tier, but that's more a by-product of our size than anything. TKR is more so an alliance with an upper tier than an upper tier alliance. No matter what tier is getting talked about TKR is gonna wind up top 5 just due to our sheer size, so using quantity as our standard would result in the absurdity that TKR is a micro to mega whale tier alliance. 1 Quote I don't sleep enough Also, I am an Keynesian Utilitarian Lastly, Hello world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, japan77 said: Interesting that we qualify as upper tier. Sure, we have a large upper tier, but that's more a by-product of our size than anything. TKR is more so an alliance with an upper tier than an upper tier alliance. No matter what tier is getting talked about TKR is gonna wind up top 5 just due to our sheer size, so using quantity as our standard would result in the absurdity that TKR is a micro to mega whale tier alliance. Well they wouldn’t, as TKR has more upper tier nations than anyone in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan77 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kastor said: Well they wouldn’t, as TKR has more upper tier nations than anyone in the game. So, is it now that you are only tier x if you have the most nations in that tier? So, BK isn't low tier because NPO has more low tier? Please come up with a definition that actually makes sense, is consistent and doesn't result in certain alliances winding up in multiple tiers. Quote I don't sleep enough Also, I am an Keynesian Utilitarian Lastly, Hello world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Why are people getting offended by being called an upper tier alliance? You have a good portion of upper tier, you can be an upper tier alliance and a lower and middle. 2 Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, James II said: Why are people getting offended by being called an upper tier alliance? You have a good portion of upper tier, you can be an upper tier alliance and a lower and middle. I'm guessing they perceive as a means of legitimizing how threatening they look? I don't know. Now we know all what GOB has to do is accept all the new guys joining in the game to no longer be considered "upper tier", whether they do anything with them or not. Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buorhann said: I'm guessing they perceive as a means of legitimizing how threatening they look? I don't know. Now we know all what GOB has to do is accept all the new guys joining in the game to no longer be considered "upper tier", whether they do anything with them or not. It's Grumpy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Just now, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: It's Grumpy. Don't worry @Buorhannit took me some time but I say grumpy now. Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 hours ago, japan77 said: Interesting that we qualify as upper tier. Sure, we have a large upper tier, but that's more a by-product of our size than anything. TKR is more so an alliance with an upper tier than an upper tier alliance. No matter what tier is getting talked about TKR is gonna wind up top 5 just due to our sheer size, so using quantity as our standard would result in the absurdity that TKR is a micro to mega whale tier alliance. TIL TKR is a micro tier whale alliance ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 hours ago, japan77 said: So, is it now that you are only tier x if you have the most nations in that tier? So, BK isn't low tier because NPO has more low tier? Please come up with a definition that actually makes sense, is consistent and doesn't result in certain alliances winding up in multiple tiers. I haven’t ever called you upper tier. All I’ve said is you have the most upper tier in the game, which is true. 1 hour ago, James II said: Why are people getting offended by being called an upper tier alliance? You have a good portion of upper tier, you can be an upper tier alliance and a lower and middle. TKR has always tried to look like the good guy throughout every situation. They forum gag members and stop differing opinions because they are afraid to get rolled. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordship Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Buorhann said: I'm guessing they perceive as a means of legitimizing how threatening they look? I don't know. I thought this was a discussion about what the community considers upper tier alliances, and when I challenge the contention, we are accused of being offended or of being scared of the label lol. Is this a discussion or are you trying to score some political points by doing your best to make as unintelligent an argument on the topic at hand as possible? Edited August 12, 2018 by Lordship Quote Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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