Placentica Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) It seems like PW has gotten even more segmented between lower tiered alliances and upper tier ones. My question is what would you list as an upper tier alliance or those with a large upper tier? My current list would be: The Knights Radiant The Commonwealth Guardian Pantheon (even though they have low avg. str, they still have a large upper) Rose Church of Spaceology The Syndicate Grumpy Old Bastards Terminus Est The Coalition Maybe Fark and CoA? What is your list? (additions: KT, TGH, Tesla, SK, Fark, CoA) Edited August 10, 2018 by Placentica Adding those mentioned 1 Quote Hello! If you don't like this post please go here: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=core&area=ignoredusers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derperor Derp Derp Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) Large: Anybody who can outright destroy DB in a one to one fight Small: Everyone else Edited August 10, 2018 by Derperor Derp Derp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Well they're a smaller group numerically but I'd add The Coalition. Quote Archduke Tyrell, Lord of Highgarden, Lord Paramount of the Reach, Warden of the South, Breaker of Forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 What's the definition of upper and lower tier? 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ⓕurpk☄ Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 ;-; Missing KT-ET Also yeah, bring a definition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordship Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I would disagree with your assessment of listing TKR as an upper tier alliance, considering we recruit on a daily basis and a large chunk of our membership is significantly distanced from any range which could be reasonably labeled as the upper one. Quote Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placentica Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) It's not so much what is my list, but what do you define as the alliances with the largest "upper tier". I'm curious what the community thinks and defines it as. So while Pantheon, TKR has lots of mids/lowers, they also have a pretty large upper, imo (or please disagree and explain). I also think it's relevant to include upper tier only alliances like The Coalition. KT might be one I missed, thank you Furpk. Edited August 10, 2018 by Placentica Quote Hello! If you don't like this post please go here: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=core&area=ignoredusers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roquentin Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) Seven Kingdoms Fark CoA Tesla The Golden Horde as additions Edited August 10, 2018 by Roquentin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Just give us a clear definition of what you define as upper tier. Is it a city count? Membership count? Speaking of, what's the average city tier count now? @Sketchy (Cut off 5 city nations and lower) 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) Well, the way I've been thinking of it is that there's one alliance that really defines a tier: NPO. Their uniform build (which I despise, but that's not immediately relevant) means that everyone else can be meaningfully split into three distinct categories: within their war range, above their war range, or below their war range. Therefore, I've always been thinking of 'lower tier' as those that NPO cannot attack without deep downdeclares, 'mid tier' as anyone that NPO can attack without change to their build, and 'upper tier' as those that NPO cannot even updeclare against. That's just the way I've been thinking about it. Everyone else is free to define the terms in their own way. Edit: I've been using the term 'tier' to describe score range, not alliance quality. There's really no way to put honest numbers on alliance quality outside of war stats, so any description of such would be extremely subjective. Edited August 10, 2018 by Sir Scarfalot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placentica Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Buorhann said: Just give us a clear definition of what you define as upper tier. Is it a city count? Membership count? Speaking of, what's the average city tier count now? @Sketchy (Cut off 5 city nations and lower) Not trying to be vague, but it's more important in my mind what other people think is an upper tier alliance. Just to answer you though, it's a combo of avg. city count x number of nations. Not sure I'd say a 1-nation alliance with someone at 25 cities is an upper tier alliance, but tC is all upper tier and large enough imo, I probably would include them if they were 4 nations. And TKR being that they have a lot of nations of 20+ cities I'd say would qualify as well. Again, just my subjective take, I'm curious how others define that. Loosely thinking 20 cities is upper tier, 25 is whale tier. Quote Hello! If you don't like this post please go here: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=core&area=ignoredusers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sketchy Posted August 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2018 I would define upper tier as the highest city count for people in the range where the fights happen. So right now I'd say 18-23 perhaps a bit higher. I'm not sure average city count is relevant so much as how many people are available to fight in particular ranges. Top 20 Alliances by 18-20, 21-23, 24-26 and 27-33 respectively. So TKR, TCW, Rose, The Syndicate, Guardian, TEst, The Golden Horde, Church of Spaceology, Knights Templar, etc. Obviously some alliances are upper tier, but have a low member count, so they won't rank as highly on this list as say TKR, who has a tonne of members in all ranges. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordship Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I guess it would be a matter of definition, because although we have a sizeable amount of players in the 18+ range, traditionally "upper tier alliance" has been defined as an alliance that consisted of only players in that range, whereas we have a significant amount below that. Quote Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Lordship said: I guess it would be a matter of definition, because although we have a sizeable amount of players in the 18+ range, traditionally "upper tier alliance" has been defined as an alliance that consisted of only players in that range, whereas we have a significant amount below that. I'd argue people have used it to apply to alliances with a high quantity of upper tier, but either way the term doesn't matter much. What matters is how many upper tier people you have vs how many others have, not the percentage of your alliance that exists in that tier. Putting alliances into boxes based on their tier is how people have used false descriptors to push various sorts of false arguments about tiering in the past. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordship Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sketchy said: I'd argue people have used it to apply to alliances with a high quantity of upper tier, but either way the term doesn't matter much. What matters is how many upper tier people you have vs how many others have, not the percentage of your alliance that exists in that tier. Putting alliances into boxes based on their tier is how people have used false descriptors to push various sorts of false arguments about tiering in the past. We're in agreement there Quote Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skittles Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 40 minutes ago, Lordship said: I guess it would be a matter of definition, because although we have a sizeable amount of players in the 18+ range, traditionally "upper tier alliance" has been defined as an alliance that consisted of only players in that range, whereas we have a significant amount below that. I agree, I think that TKR has good blending of their tiers, but are not necessarily a high tier alliance unlike GoB, TEst, CoS, etc... 1 Quote I have no idea what I'm doing but that doesn't stop me from doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 45 minutes ago, Cianuro said: I agree, I think that TKR has good blending of their tiers, but are not necessarily a high tier alliance unlike GoB, TEst, CoS, etc... And yet they have more than most others combined. Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Morningstar Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Derperor Derp Derp said: Large: Anybody who can outright destroy DB in a one to one fight Small: Everyone else So anyone with decent fighting experience 10 hours ago, Placentica said: It seems like PW has gotten even more segmented between lower tiered alliances and upper tier ones. My question is what would you list as an upper tier alliance or those with a large upper tier? My current list would be: The Knights Radiant The Commonwealth Guardian Pantheon (even though they have low avg. str, they still have a large upper) Rose Church of Spaceology The Syndicate Grumpy Old Bastards Terminus Est The Coalition Maybe Fark and CoA? What is your list? (additions: KT, TGH, Tesla, SK, Fark, CoA) Where's BC on that list Edited August 10, 2018 by Lucifer Morningstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Just divide upper tier only and alliances with a sold bloc of players in the low, mid, and upper tier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 TKR is trying so hard to not be seen as the upper tier juggernaut they are, and have been for awhile. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordship Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kastor said: TKR is trying so hard to not be seen as the upper tier juggernaut they are, and have been for awhile. Anyone with half a brain and some basic math can see the number of people we have in the alliance lol, no one is trying to "not be seen" as anything, merely disagreeing with the proposition based on history and context. Quote Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Lordship said: Anyone with half a brain and some basic math can see the number of people we have in the alliance lol, no one is trying to "not be seen" as anything, merely disagreeing with the proposition based on history and context. It’s amazing people always try to discredit me by, what I believe, insinuating I don’t have intelligence. Your average city count is 15. The upper tier is around 18-19. You have 49 nations at 18+. The Commonwealth has 39. Guardian has 31. So would you say that TCW and Guardian are upper tier alliances or mid tier? Also, before you ask, TCW is split closer to 50/50, with 55% being above 18 cities while Guardian has 62% above. TKR has 35% above, but the most 18+ cities in the game. So who is upper tier and who isn’t, Lordship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordship Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kastor said: It’s amazing people always try to discredit me by, what I believe, insinuating I don’t have intelligence. Your average city count is 15. The upper tier is around 18-19. You have 49 nations at 18+. The Commonwealth has 39. Guardian has 31. So would you say that TCW and Guardian are upper tier alliances or mid tier? Also, before you ask, TCW is split closer to 50/50, with 55% being above 18 cities while Guardian has 62% above. TKR has 35% above, but the most 18+ cities in the game. So who is upper tier and who isn’t, Lordship? "It’s amazing people always try to discredit me by, what I believe, insinuating I don’t have intelligence. " - If you read my reply as trying to insinuate that you aren't intelligent, then you're doing this on your own lol. I was just saying how its easy to check the numbers. You're not a victim I'd say they are upper tier alliances because the majority of their membership is in that range, which is consistent with what I said above. Quote Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spaceman Thrax Posted August 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2018 You're always going to miss out on some important cases when you reduce entire alliances to such a simple little qualifier. But for the most part I think of upper tier alliances as composed of larger nations (16-18 cities plus/over 3k ns or so). If your alliance is JUST those nations, you're definitely upper tier. TKR is a good example of where that labeling system falls apart, because they are huge, but their tiering is all over the place. I wouldn't call them an upper tier alliance in the same breath I'd call something like Guardian one. I'd probably call TKR "An alliance that has an upper tier" rather than "an upper tier alliance". 12 Quote Slaughter the shits of the world. They poison the air you breathe. ~ William S. Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Kastor said: It’s amazing people always try to discredit me by, what I believe, insinuating I don’t have intelligence. Your average city count is 15. The upper tier is around 18-19. You have 49 nations at 18+. The Commonwealth has 39. Guardian has 31. So would you say that TCW and Guardian are upper tier alliances or mid tier? Also, before you ask, TCW is split closer to 50/50, with 55% being above 18 cities while Guardian has 62% above. TKR has 35% above, but the most 18+ cities in the game. So who is upper tier and who isn’t, Lordship? TKR has 38% of upper tier nations therefore TKR is an upper tier alliance Humans and bananas have 60% of DNA in common therefore bananas are primates 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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