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This topic is related to the following link: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/02/formula-one-grid-girls-objectification-women

Generally I disagree with the left but this is one area of the battle against objectifying women that I support. I'm against people using their sex to earn money as it isn't even for both sexes so when people lose their jobs because they're getting paid to be eye candy I support it. This is primarily about men, they're essentially paying the wage for some women to walk around and look attractive which is giving the women a lifestyle she really doesn't deserve. 
Prostitution is somewhat similar and is something men should also stop funding, these days sex dolls are a better alternative as they're much more attractive, cheaper and obviously safer than someone potentially riddled with diseases. Personally I'd rather keep my money in my wallet than to pay women to be objectified. 

Whats your opinion on women earning money from being objectified? Should it end in all forms?

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Damn this is loaded. 

Obviously, the 'correct' answer here would be to say that objectification of any sex shouldn't be happening. However, when you break it down, not everyone is going to feel the same way...especially when you come down to certain employment positions where the traditionality of having 'eye candy' is a direct representation of the product. I mean formula 1 girls is extended into the tradition of the game the same way girls at Hooters restaurants wear short shorts and tight shirts. 

You'll get people who are in these employment positions who have horror stories and you'll get people who actually enjoy doing what they do. 

There is obvious objectification in employment and a lot of this is focused around males objectifying females, but there is a lot on men too. I know in my life, even though I do not think I am this hot person, there is plenty I have gotten away with simply because I am "not ugly" - and this was mainly done while my supervisors/directors have been female. Coming in late, goofing off, not doing my duties as I should have...etc, meanwhile someone else does the same and gets written up.

I really don't see this ending any time soon, it is wrong on multiple levels, should end - but wont.

I mean, just think about everything - everything is about looking good and aesthetics. Most news coverage for politicians and presidential elections has revolved around hair styles, clothing, tie color choice, skin tone, like.........is that really important. No, and jessica shouldn't be in this position just because she's got perky tits either.

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Lots of women enjoy being turned into objects. How many cam girls, prostitutes, strippers, and pornstars are there? Millions? Tens of millions? How many girls post pictures of themselves in bikinis or revealing clothing on social media? How many of them do so, but in controversial poses, like this:

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How many of them just absolutely love the attention it brings?

Women aren't objects, of course, but men are visual creatures. We guys look at potential mates based on markers of beauty and health because we want to find mates who will reliably give us healthy babies. Very few of us consciously think this, but it's hardwired into our brains through hundreds of thousands or even millions of years of reliable reproductive success. We like seeing cute girls around us; bonus points if they have a good rack or a nice ass. 

Women will never stop being objects because a lot of them turn themselves into objects voluntarily, and men like seeing them as objects, and that's just how that is.

Is it wrong? Is it a bad thing? Probably. People shouldn't use porn. Thirsty guys shouldn't follow models on Instagram or Snapchat. Women should respect themselves and value themselves more so that the first thing a guy thinks when they see them is 'damn, I'd hit that'. However, these things will all continue to happen indefinitely and I'm weary against urging people to fight against human nature on such a large scale because I don't think that'll be a productive use of time, energy, and funds. 

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3 hours ago, Thalmor said:

Lots of women enjoy being turned into objects. How many cam girls, prostitutes, strippers, and pornstars are there? Millions? Tens of millions? How many girls post pictures of themselves in bikinis or revealing clothing on social media? How many of them do so, but in controversial poses, like this:

 

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How many of them just absolutely love the attention it brings?

Women aren't objects, of course, but men are visual creatures. We guys look at potential mates based on markers of beauty and health because we want to find mates who will reliably give us healthy babies. Very few of us consciously think this, but it's hardwired into our brains through hundreds of thousands or even millions of years of reliable reproductive success. We like seeing cute girls around us; bonus points if they have a good rack or a nice ass. 

Women will never stop being objects because a lot of them turn themselves into objects voluntarily, and men like seeing them as objects, and that's just how that is.

Is it wrong? Is it a bad thing? Probably. People shouldn't use porn. Thirsty guys shouldn't follow models on Instagram or Snapchat. Women should respect themselves and value themselves more so that the first thing a guy thinks when they see them is 'damn, I'd hit that'. However, these things will all continue to happen indefinitely and I'm weary against urging people to fight against human nature on such a large scale because I don't think that'll be a productive use of time, energy, and funds. 

Well that's really it and that is the message lots of red pill channels discuss and others including the likes of Jordan Peterson regarding men being visual creatures. 
I think I said it someone here before but yes that is true women in general love attention, if a girl is healthy/fit looking you can bet your ass she will do things purposely for the attention of men even if she doesn't want to have sex or a relationship with that man, she wants his attention to be on her regardless. 

Yes we shouldn't fight against nature and that isn't what I'm advocating for exactly.
My point is mostly this, if you're paying her for sex then stop you can get better sex from a sex doll. Don't be giving your money away just to get your dick wet, there is more to life than that. The model thing is bit more complicated but they're there mainly for men so its only for lusting over someone you won't bang. 
Porn is slightly different as its much cheaper but we can cut it out as well I suppose, if you aren't getting enough sex forget about porn, prostitutes and anything that funds attention seeking women, you just need a sex doll. 

 

My message is essentially this; Its the current year lol, men need to completely stop funding women they aren't in serious relationships with. 

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20 minutes ago, Clarke said:

My message is essentially this; Its the current year lol, men need to completely stop funding women they aren't in serious relationships with. 

 

I think I can get behind that.

Additionally, guys should stop following and obsessing over girls in general. Stop following models on social media and liking/commenting on all their stuff. Stop worrying about the guy that doesn't like you or already has a guy and focus on some single girl you like.

Guys should focus on themselves and make themselves into the best versions of themselves, and then they should go out there and try to get the girl; but be able to go without the girl and be always willing to walk away until the relationship gets fairly serious.

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On 6/12/2018 at 2:57 PM, Thalmor said:

Lots of women enjoy being turned into objects. How many cam girls, prostitutes, strippers, and pornstars are there? Millions? Tens of millions? How many girls post pictures of themselves in bikinis or revealing clothing on social media? How many of them do so, but in controversial poses, like this:

 

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How many of them just absolutely love the attention it brings?

Women aren't objects, of course, but men are visual creatures. We guys look at potential mates based on markers of beauty and health because we want to find mates who will reliably give us healthy babies. Very few of us consciously think this, but it's hardwired into our brains through hundreds of thousands or even millions of years of reliable reproductive success. We like seeing cute girls around us; bonus points if they have a good rack or a nice ass. 

Women will never stop being objects because a lot of them turn themselves into objects voluntarily, and men like seeing them as objects, and that's just how that is.

Is it wrong? Is it a bad thing? Probably. People shouldn't use porn. Thirsty guys shouldn't follow models on Instagram or Snapchat. Women should respect themselves and value themselves more so that the first thing a guy thinks when they see them is 'damn, I'd hit that'. However, these things will all continue to happen indefinitely and I'm weary against urging people to fight against human nature on such a large scale because I don't think that'll be a productive use of time, energy, and funds. 

This may be the case, but unwanted objectification is really the issue. Likewise, the idea that it is encouraged or courted in one setting, and therefore acceptable in all settings is a ludicrous idea. In the most crude sense I like getting a !@#$ from my significant other, but Thalmor if you get anywhere near my weiner we are going to have an issue. There are countless less absurd examples, but the gist is there is a time and a place for everything and the consent of all parties is necessary.

It may be nature to be attracted to attractive people, but we've given up many aspects of "nature" in order to exist in a society which works for the majority of people.

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Also being professionally hot is not an easy thing to do, it takes a bunch of work to get there, a ton to continue to be extremely attractive, and its not cheap.  Those models do "deserve" to make money for it, and they have earned the lifestyle it affords them. 

 

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32 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

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Also being professionally hot is not an easy thing to do, it takes a bunch of work to get there, a ton to continue to be extremely attractive, and its not cheap.  Those models do "deserve" to make money for it, and they have earned the lifestyle it affords them. 

 

Being "professionally" hot is almost entirely down to genetics. These people never worked a day in their lives, they rely on their natural beauty to get ahead which is not exactly putting in the effort.What part of it is expensive for them?
Being fit isn't exactly a hard thing to do and these people just need to stay slim which is easy.

Make money for what? Standing around doing nothing. 

 

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They have to do hair care, skin care, diet exercise, and probably a bunch of other stuff I have no idea about since I am not a model.   Saying something is entirely down to genetics is a superficial place to stand on, how intelligent a person is, also has to do with genetics, but are you going to say scientists should be fired because they were born smarter,  or a professional athletes should be fired because they are more athletically gifted.

As for a model's job? they add value to whatever product they are advertising for in order to help it sell.  You can be an engineer and create the greatest invention in the world, but if you cannot sell it, you aren't going to make any money.

But honestly who are you to tell a person that they cannot capitalize on a diminishing asset that they possess. 

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1 hour ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

They have to do hair care, skin care, diet exercise, and probably a bunch of other stuff I have no idea about since I am not a model.   Saying something is entirely down to genetics is a superficial place to stand on, how intelligent a person is, also has to do with genetics, but are you going to say scientists should be fired because they were born smarter,  or a professional athletes should be fired because they are more athletically gifted.

As for a model's job? they add value to whatever product they are advertising for in order to help it sell.  You can be an engineer and create the greatest invention in the world, but if you cannot sell it, you aren't going to make any money.

But honestly who are you to tell a person that they cannot capitalize on a diminishing asset that they possess. 

I notice this is side tracking a bit and not really the point of discussion. I'm not really anyone to tell them that, the point is I as mentioned in my second post Men need to stop funding certain jobs.

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On 6/14/2018 at 1:30 PM, Clarke said:

Make money for what? Standing around doing nothing. 

They make money proportionate to what their modeling agency is willing to pay them which is relative to the value added to the advertising agencies' brands, revenue generated from viewers, etc. Would you rather look at an attractive female or a massive land whale that has never seen a shower or gym? I think we all agree the former is a better option. (If it were up to me, I'd try to avoid using any humans in a commercial since I love nature, but that's just me and definitely not the way our society today is going towards.) Could I be a model? No, I'm not attractive enough. Would I be a model? No, I really need to do something mentally strenuous at work or I'll jump out the window. Therefore, there is a limited pool for agencies to pull from. Combined with increased demand from previous decades with televisions and computers becoming more common and higher quality, I'm sure you can see why I'm sure you could use a supply and demand graph here to better demonstrate this. Now, I could rant about marketing agencies being absolute ripoffs, but that's an entirely different topic. My only relevant point (point being used loosely) about that would be advertising agencies getting into conflicts over trying to get the *most* attractive person to do a commercial is stupid. At the end of the day, a consumer isn't going to pick one brand over another just because that one girl doesn't have that one very small birthmark that will be photoshopped over anyway. 

On 6/14/2018 at 5:39 PM, Clarke said:

Men need to stop funding certain jobs.

Including advertising agencies ;) 


On 6/11/2018 at 4:08 PM, Clarke said:

Regarding the link, I know a (former) grid girl. I find it ironic how the feminists who are for empowering women just removed a source of income for hundreds, maybe even thousands, of females from an exclusively female field. They just i. restricted the choices available to females regarding employment, ii. removed a source of income for some females, including some single mothers, iii. removed a female only field (compare to "we need more women in the ___ field"). This further reinforces the idea that third wave feminism isn't about empowering women, but conforming women. 

Side note: The author shared an article from The Guardian on Twitter promoting legalization/decriminalization of sex work. So apparently objectification is okay as long as it's physical and not visual? 🤔

 

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Just as attractiveness is largely genetic, so too is intelligence. While I personally believe intelligence to be more important, we don't really have a way of objectively determining which one is better. If someone is ridiculously, prodigiously intelligent, life could be a breeze for them, provided they don't develop the mental health issues common in child prodigies. It's the same with beauty. It's unfair, but profiting off beauty is no more depraved than profiting off intellect.

To say that sex dolls are superior to prostitutes is also erroneous. Currently, no sex doll is sentient and capable of having a conversation with you. Prostitutes don't just have sex with clients; there are many stories of prostitutes counselling men with depression, when no one else has helped. For many people, sex, and the feelings around it, is important for mental health. In nations with rational views on sex, which legalise and regulate prostitution, prostitutes choose that line of work, so there's no argument to be made about sex trafficking and STDs. Also, even if you do assume that sex dolls are superior to prostitutes, you must also accept that autonomous vehicles are superior to human drivers, yet no one is calling taxi drivers useless.

We should just treat people as they wish to be treated, within reason. If someone doesn't wish to be objectified, don't. If someone does wish to be objectified, by all means go ahead.

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Guys

Don't be beta orbiters

This applies to thottery in all forms. Whether she's the girl next door or the girl on the tv screen.

Worshipping women gives them a false sense of greater self-worth, the kind that makes them think they suddenly own society or can manipulate men into doing their bidding. 

Easy come, easy go. 

In a bizarre way, we allow the good looks of women or simply the eye pleasing nature of them to give us this sense of "oh, she can get away with this because maybe I've got a shot." That's amateur hour shit. Treat a woman like you would treat a man if you're not looking to pork her or not already porking her. Meaning if she's acting like a dipshit, call her out on it. You'd put a man in his place, why not a stupid woman? Special treatment should only be for your special lady, not every chick you see throw you a half decent smile.

This objectification is just dudes being retarded and rewarding flirty women aka cock teases that do nothing but give you the pleasantries, but none of the action. Then some undisciplined retard decides to stick his dick where it don't belong and now you've got a Weinstein case/"Me too." 

Seriously, stop rewarding women for objectifying themselves. Y'all are like the jackasses who get a coupon at the store and think suddenly you got to buy that shit. Easily won over by eye candy.

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A healthy woman, in mind and spirit, would never subject herself to objectification regardless of monetary incentives, or if it is physical or visual. It is evident that both the modern left and right have no vested interest in staying at all moral. Both sides say "if a woman wants to sell her body, she may", for capitalism prides capital above all and communism prides 'liberation'. The freedom to do something stupid is a freedom to be sure, but it is never correct. 

A man or woman should not regard their profession as nothing more than looking attractive. That is no profession at all as it adds nothing to society as a whole. Giving a man a chub over a pair of titties in a department store or a victoria secret runway is both a disgusting aspect of marketing, preying on the base desires of men for sex. It is equally disgusting that such weak men can fall for such tactics. Beauty is a value to cherish, not to sell or sexualise. Aye, women love attention (and so do men) but sacrificing moral integrity for the admiration of strangers is nothing short of despicable. 

As for the excuse of using modeling agencies to sell a clothing or makeup product, it is really a false one. If a piece of clothing looks good, it has no need for ulterior advertising in the form of modeling. If something looks good then it looks good. Makeup is a bit more iffy since you can't really display its intended effect without a human canvas, but makeup rarely uses sexualisation in its 'objectification'. Well, unless you use blush and red lipstick or something, that is very sexual, but anyway

On 6/13/2018 at 8:04 AM, Clarke said:

if you aren't getting enough sex forget about porn, prostitutes and anything that funds attention seeking women, you just need a sex doll. 

omg so lewd

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On 6/12/2018 at 2:57 PM, Thalmor said:

Women aren't objects, of course, but men are visual creatures.

...so said every virgin ever.

You don't have to be blind to know that a good lover comes from how she uses her body, not how her body looks.

Good looks get you in the door, but they don't keep you in the room.

Case in point, it's better to make love with someone who's simply in functional good shape and feels tight from not being worn out than to fool around with a supermodel who feels loose inside.

Hence, personality really does matter. It's a sign of whether a babe knows how to make her body move or if she's just going to lay back and expect you to nail her like an airhead blowup doll.

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15 minutes ago, Dubayoo said:

...so said every virgin ever.

You don't have to be blind to know that a good lover comes from how she uses her body, not how her body looks.

Good looks get you in the door, but they don't keep you in the room.

Case in point, it's better to make love with someone who's simply in functional good shape and feels tight from not being worn out than to fool around with a supermodel who feels loose inside.

Hence, personality really does matter. It's a sign of whether a babe knows how to make her body move or if she's just going to lay back and expect you to nail her like an airhead blowup doll.

I didn't say personality didn't matter, but okay.

When you're out, the girls you're attracted to - the ones you'd approach to ask out or talk to - aren't the obese girls, the old girls, or the ugly girls. The ones you'd approach are young, look good, have nice tits, have a nice ass, and so forth. Certainly, the ones you'd pick to have a relationship with have a good personality, and the ones that look good and have a shit personality you'd just sleep with and then forget about. However, when a guy - such as me or you, Dubayoo - are checking out girls, we're checking out physical attributes over more abstract ones, such as personality. Only after a connection of some kind is established do we care about personality. Until then, though, we're looking out for physical attractiveness.

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2 hours ago, Thalmor said:

I didn't say personality didn't matter, but okay.

When you're out, the girls you're attracted to - the ones you'd approach to ask out or talk to - aren't the obese girls, the old girls, or the ugly girls. The ones you'd approach are young, look good, have nice tits, have a nice ass, and so forth. Certainly, the ones you'd pick to have a relationship with have a good personality, and the ones that look good and have a shit personality you'd just sleep with and then forget about. However, when a guy - such as me or you, Dubayoo - are checking out girls, we're checking out physical attributes over more abstract ones, such as personality. Only after a connection of some kind is established do we care about personality. Until then, though, we're looking out for physical attractiveness.

Again, if you're inexperienced, yes, you will do that.

Once you get experience, you realize that looks are almost entirely irrelevant. If anything, they're a crutch used by women who lack personality in order to lure in pathetic men and reject them afterwards. Yes, looks can compliment personality as well, but only if there's some symbolism which provides deeper romantic meaning to the action.

You'll find this out especially as you get older too. If anything, this is how maturity really works between men versus women. Young women and old men find romance most appealing. Old women and young men find physical action most appealing. Young women are insecure, and old men have are looking for a novel experience. If anything, old men struggle with getting hard-ons as they get older because they don't find good looks appealing anymore. It's called erectile dysfunction for a reason.

The only relevance deals with functionality as in a woman with smooth skin is nice to touch. A woman who's in shape is flexible and maneuverable. A woman who's young isn't worn out.

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If anything, this is why self-objectification happens as well - it's a cruel maneuver used to ruin men over the long-term. Men see attractive women who they have to block out or else the novelty of beauty wears off over time. It's not just something used to ruin your career by distracting you from becoming productive and establishing yourself. It's also used to ruin the development of your style so you don't have anything to offer a genuine woman who's discreet.

When you get older, you'll see pretty women and think, "Meh. Been there, done that," which is where the real shame comes from. You'll want your young emotions back for a woman who's committed to you.

Had society punished those women who exhibited themselves earlier who you had to block out, your emotions would still exist, but it doesn't.

Instead, society treats women like they should be put on a pedestal, never punishing them because everyone wants to either be with them or be like them.

By no surprise, there are so many dysfunctional households now too because people simply seek out instantaneous gratification without deeper values on commitment.

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Dubayoo doesn't know what he is chatting about, you can see his level of maturity by looking at this thread:

But yeah if you're unattractive then you aren't going to care much about how a girl looks because you won't get the most attractive girls, unattractive people who say looks don' matter are only using that as a coping mechanism. Sure get with the land whale who knows how to use their body and doesn't have an ok personality cos lets be real they don't take care of themselves and they're lazy, they probably have a bad personality, maybe not as bad as a more attractive person but can still be deemed as bad. 

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Instead, society treats women like they should be put on a pedestal, never punishing them because everyone wants to either be with them or be like them.

That's really what this is about, men need to stop funding and helping women.

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11 hours ago, Thalmor said:

When you're out, the girls you're attracted to - the ones you'd approach to ask out or talk to - aren't the obese girls, the old girls, or the ugly girls.

Speak for yourself

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4 hours ago, Clarke said:

Dubayoo doesn't know what he is chatting about, you can see his level of maturity by looking at this thread:

But yeah if you're unattractive then you aren't going to care much about how a girl looks because you won't get the most attractive girls, unattractive people who say looks don' matter are only using that as a coping mechanism. Sure get with the land whale who knows how to use their body and doesn't have an ok personality cos lets be real they don't take care of themselves and they're lazy, they probably have a bad personality, maybe not as bad as a more attractive person but can still be deemed as bad. 

That's really what this is about, men need to stop funding and helping women.

This whole post is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to start...

...except for the last line, but I'm inclined to believe it's sarcastic since it's disconnected from the rest.

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2 minutes ago, Dubayoo said:

This whole post is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to start...

...except for the last line, but I'm inclined to believe it's sarcastic since it's disconnected from the rest.

I like you... "its wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to describe how wrong it is but you should just know it is so wrong and I can't describe it 😛"

Lets just say we're on the same page. 

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