Battle of the Western Delta

[ReuKinChe]

Due to the presence of the Islamic Brotherhood in the western Nile Delta, civil and political liberties had been dramatically curbed in recent years. The final straw had been the abolition of local parliaments. The Lumian Republic decided that they could not let another region fall to repressive theocracy, and so a military operation was planned.

Surveillance satellites had been cataloguing all Brotherhood military installations for a few weeks before the invasion. After the initial intelligence gathering, a carrier strike group was sent to the region, before an intense aerial bombardment campaign destroyed 95% of the Brotherhood's aircraft, and 75% of their tanks. Two landing operations then began near Alexandria, encircling the city and 50,000 enemy troops in a pincer movement. Alexandria was secured soon after, with minimal collateral damage, due to the use of land-based drones to rapidly clear the streets.

The Lumian military knew that any battle or siege of Cairo would be incredibly bloody, with heavy civilian casualties and infrastructural damage. Urban warfare was to be avoided when possible. A week into the invasion, millions of propaganda leaflets and civilian aid packages were dropped into the city. With civil tensions rising, a long war would be impossible to win for the Brotherhood. Their hand was forced. Two weeks into the invasion, the Islamic Brotherhood threw all the scraps of their shattered might into the Lumian lines. After failing to advance more than ten kilometres, the Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt admitted defeat, and retreated south, with their tails between their legs.

Two weeks after the capture of Cairo, Lumian forces had managed to rebuild most of the city's few damaged buildings. Egyptian public opinion of the occupiers began to rise.

[Rimski]

[Classified]

Agents of the Prussian nation have ventured to now the occupied cities and work with underground forces. They entered the nation with showing no German history and were dressed as arabs. Their tasks are training the rebels which work on a free egypt in which Prussia would support them by leaving the nation in the long term but no papers have been signed yet nor were there hands shaking between officials. The current task is a long-term propaganda campaign with underground networks being constructed for arms to be smuggeled. The underground forces will spread and gain support from the people with a shadow tactic with spread of Propaganda but no immediate access to their hideouts to prevent spies working for the foreign occupant. The propaganda campaign evolves about leaving no evidence of their presence there and making the people seem 'paranoid' if reported to the Foreign Officials. The identity of the spies themselves remain hidden and all weaponery to be sent to the rebels are not made by German Manufacturers publicly. The Porpaganda Campaign works slowly with not much tension and suspicion being raised at certain people.

[ReuKinChe]

With the assistance of thousands of imported building robots, the occupied Egyptian territories were totally rebuilt, three weeks after the capture of Cairo. All public services were restarted, and the first free elections were held. Popular reformist candidates were elected, allowing the new President, Ashraf Najjar to form the first government of the Egyptian Republic of the Delta, or ERD. The ERD would be largely independent, with a political relationship to Lumia much like Australia's to Britain. Thanks to the low collateral damage of the invasion, and the high degree of liberties provided, 68% of Egyptians considered the occupation to be an improvement, while 25% didn't mind either way.

 

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A moderate militarisation occurred near the border with Prussia, with 800 fighters, 250 bombers, 2,000 tanks, 25,000 artillery pieces and 70,000 soldiers transferred to the region. Several missile interception batteries were also moved to the region. Training of ERD forces also began, and many Egyptians signed up to join the ERD military.

Reconnaissance satellites were moved over the area, to watch for any potential Prussian threats. With resolutions of 2 metres from orbit, the would detect any potential Prussian military movements.

A carrier strike group, along with 15 fighter squadrons, was moved 100 km off the coast of Alexandria.

Defensive espionage operations began, in order to counter potential terrorist or Prussian-funded cells. While it was unknown that Prussia was engaging in operations against the ERD, it was considered highly likely, given Prussia's political situation in the Levant.

[Rimski]

An envoy group were to be sent to the Western menace of Europe as Diplomats to talk about the major Militarization and so with destabilization of the region. The People sent are dressed in the most germanic way possible with primarly black and white mixed with gold attire. They would come empty handed and with no desire to sign anything related to a bond between the two with Reubenia's actions already peformed on behalf of Prussia with frequent Sattelite espionage both on the Mainland and in Egypt. Their only mission is to remove the major Reubenian presence.

[ReuKinChe]

3 hours ago, Rimski said:

An envoy group were to be sent to the Western menace of Europe as Diplomats to talk about the major Militarization and so with destabilization of the region. The People sent are dressed in the most germanic way possible with primarly black and white mixed with gold attire. They would come empty handed and with no desire to sign anything related to a bond between the two with Reubenia's actions already peformed on behalf of Prussia with frequent Sattelite espionage both on the Mainland and in Egypt. Their only mission is to remove the major Reubenian presence.

OOC: I've said elsewhere that the satellites are the size of a person, so I'm not sure how you know they're around, seeing as they'd be far less visible than what the ISS is, and the ISS is already difficult to see, despite it being the size of a football field.

[Rimski]

13 hours ago, Reuben Cheuk said:

OOC: I've said elsewhere that the satellites are the size of a person, so I'm not sure how you know they're around, seeing as they'd be far less visible than what the ISS is, and the ISS is already difficult to see, despite it being the size of a football field.

You've already had a long term sattelite espionage on me. It is logic that I'd spot them in the long term fam

[ReuKinChe]

Message from Lumia to Prussia

We do not wish for a rise in tensions. We will not apologise, for we do not believe that we have intentionally done wrong, but we express our regret for any worries we may have given you. Nevertheless, the people of the western Nile delta voted to form the ERD, and so we must respect their decision. It is their right to form a sovereign nation, and so Lumia will never impose its will upon the democratically elected government of the ERD. Rather, we will share a mutual bond of friendship, much like Australia and Britain in the early 21st century. We hope that you too will respect the ERD's sovereignty, so that we may set an example of peace for the world.

Should you agree to partially demilitarise your territory, we will do the same, as well as remove all reconnaissance satellites from the region. We would be happy to invite Prussian overseers to ensure that demilitarisation goes as planned, should you agree to allow Lumian overseers to do the same.

[Rimski]

"You started the militarization, it is on you to crank down the arms not us. The military there was present since we established the foothold on this location and a long time was spent on the fortification of the region. The numbers are already tiny and so with you are the agressor and you are the one that shot first but at a wall sir. So if you don't want the wall to break and to everything crumble over you then don't pull the trigger again by making it unable to pull it, with that meaning demilitarize as you are the one sparking tension here. Don't think a Democracy full of Liberty and other lies would try to combat someone whom has not done anything directly to the nation to provoke it. Now your sattelites can be moved somewhere else like Salazaristan to provide more anti-IB videos for the teens to watch."

[ReuKinChe]

One would think that one of the founding nations of a crusader organisation would be glad to see Islamism defeated. Ah well, I suppose you can't let your ideals get in the way of a nice strongly-worded message.

Because you openly admit that you view liberty as a myth, Lumia cannot in good faith leave the ERD undefended. We refuse your terms.

[ReuKinChe]

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A second carrier strike group was moved into position, 200 km off the coast of Port Said.

5 EMP missiles, based on the Lumian Empire's model, were transferred to the western Nile delta.

Edited June 9, 2018 by Reuben Cheuk

[Maelstrom Vortex]

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[Ivan Salazar]

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Salazarstan starts to move military forcess towards its flanks towards the eqypitan side, however the army under command of Drago, who will be over seeing the eventual war with prussia personally. however Drago rather not go to war as this will undermine everything he was trying to build but he was going to support his ally Lumia thats if he was reading the sittion carefully, from his understanding they worked together once before to bring down an terrorist cell during the elections.

 

to:Lumia goverment

subject:Allies

 

Our forcess are moving into poistion we rather it not come to war with prussia, but we will aid you should it come down to it.

 

hope to meet with your leadership soon to talk about possible defense treaties as well as trade and non aggression pacts.

[Rimski]

"The crusader organization is an organ of governance and millitance for liberation of the holy land for all peoples and protection of monoteistic religions. We have muslims, jews and christians in the order. Christians from every branch even an Orthodox commander with a vital role in it. Now, you have been the one to militarize and escelate the situation, and plus you have rebuilt the city after razing it and destroying everything there. Our demands is to remove major forces from the region, we have no need to demilitarize as our army is already minor there. You are the one that amassed massive ammounts of armies. Liberty is not seen in your nation is what we were implying. You raze lands and rebuild them then militarize against someone which is not a threat."

Edited June 11, 2018 by Rimski

[ReuKinChe]

5 hours ago, Rimski said:

"The crusader organization is an organ of governance and millitance for liberation of the holy land for all peoples and protection of monoteistic religions. We have muslims, jews and christians in the order. Christians from every branch even an Orthodox commander with a vital role in it. Now, you have been the one to militarize and escelate the situation, and plus you have rebuilt the city after razing it and destroying everything there. Our demands is to remove major forces from the region, we have no need to demilitarize as our army is already minor there. You are the one that amassed massive ammounts of armies. Liberty is not seen in your nation is what we were implying. You raze lands and rebuild them then militarize against someone which is not a threat."

OOC: I'd mentioned that the collateral damage on cities was very low, so IDK if this is IC propaganda or if you missed it

[Rimski]

1 hour ago, Reuben Cheuk said:

OOC: I'd mentioned that the collateral damage on cities was very low, so IDK if this is IC propaganda or if you missed it

Since when can a destruction of most of it's army effect little on the city and the people inside of it, yes I missed it but it is illogical.

Edited June 11, 2018 by Rimski

[ReuKinChe]

21 hours ago, Rimski said:

Since when can a destruction of most of it's army effect little on the city and the people inside of it, yes I missed it but it is illogical.

I covered how it happened, with this part:

"The Lumian military knew that any battle or siege of Cairo would be incredibly bloody, with heavy civilian casualties and infrastructural damage. Urban warfare was to be avoided when possible. A week into the invasion, millions of propaganda leaflets and civilian aid packages were dropped into the city. With civil tensions rising, a long war would be impossible to win for the Brotherhood. Their hand was forced. Two weeks into the invasion, the Islamic Brotherhood threw all the scraps of their shattered might into the Lumian lines. After failing to advance more than ten kilometres, the Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt admitted defeat, and retreated south, with their tails between their legs."

Basically, the IB gambles and loses, so they retreat without a fight to conserve their strength.

[Rimski]

6 hours ago, Reuben Cheuk said:

I covered how it happened, with this part:

"The Lumian military knew that any battle or siege of Cairo would be incredibly bloody, with heavy civilian casualties and infrastructural damage. Urban warfare was to be avoided when possible. A week into the invasion, millions of propaganda leaflets and civilian aid packages were dropped into the city. With civil tensions rising, a long war would be impossible to win for the Brotherhood. Their hand was forced. Two weeks into the invasion, the Islamic Brotherhood threw all the scraps of their shattered might into the Lumian lines. After failing to advance more than ten kilometres, the Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt admitted defeat, and retreated south, with their tails between their legs."

Basically, the IB gambles and loses, so they retreat without a fight to conserve their strength.

Before that, destruction of armies with the precentages, first I think they are too high and it would have cost you a lot of money but HA HA GDPs dont matter in this rp apparently. Now if you are done with the quatsch and just go ic, people make up things and view situations differently.

 

"So why have you militarized and destabilized the region without any actions regarding our side? We have been there and have fortified the area since a long time ago. It seems without a valid reason. Yes we have worked against the Salazaristani government and the people following it while you were protecting it, but why escelate it? We ourselves haven't militarized the area heavily as you did. We went here and fortified it to establish a defence, to add we have not peformed military action against your state. Now going back on the topic of Liberty. We don't see it as a myth, we see it as a lie in your state. We don't see your state to be one of Liberty and especially not the centre of it. It is filled with lies. You forcefully put evidence against someone while the people you protect in Salazaristan seem all rosy without a smick of dust on them. To be a nation of Liberty you'd need to get the truth of both sides of the conflict. You hide all the good of the Islamic Brotherhood and ignore their desire to have a free nation not under rule of a foreign power which puts pressure on them. Jerusalem is not only Israels nor Palestines, it is the neutral zone for all people to come by and practise their beliefs and that is why the Crusader organization is formed, as a liberation organ which would liberate the holy land with diplomacy and hand shaking or war and they would ensure that the holy places of each monotesitic religion is put safe and protected with no foreign occupation except Volounteer Soldiers whom seek for a resolution like this, repeating that the Crusader organization has Christians, Muslims and Jews. And they all have an important role and as previously said seek a protection of all holy to them by force or paper. And there would be an army present there to prevent foreign invasions on the sites. And with the topic derailing I'd contact the leader of the Middle Eastern nation to come to the meeting as they have peformed a militarization of the region and they are a key figure in this. So I say, let's talk about the protection of religion in which all three could participate to prevent an another hostile action like this in the region. Deal?" 

[ReuKinChe]

16 hours ago, Rimski said:

Before that, destruction of armies with the precentages, first I think they are too high and it would have cost you a lot of money but HA HA GDPs dont matter in this rp apparently. Now if you are done with the quatsch and just go ic, people make up things and view situations differently.

  

 "So why have you militarized and destabilized the region without any actions regarding our side? We have been there and have fortified the area since a long time ago. It seems without a valid reason. Yes we have worked against the Salazaristani government and the people following it while you were protecting it, but why escelate it? We ourselves haven't militarized the area heavily as you did. We went here and fortified it to establish a defence, to add we have not peformed military action against your state. Now going back on the topic of Liberty. We don't see it as a myth, we see it as a lie in your state. We don't see your state to be one of Liberty and especially not the centre of it. It is filled with lies. You forcefully put evidence against someone while the people you protect in Salazaristan seem all rosy without a smick of dust on them. To be a nation of Liberty you'd need to get the truth of both sides of the conflict. You hide all the good of the Islamic Brotherhood and ignore their desire to have a free nation not under rule of a foreign power which puts pressure on them. Jerusalem is not only Israels nor Palestines, it is the neutral zone for all people to come by and practise their beliefs and that is why the Crusader organization is formed, as a liberation organ which would liberate the holy land with diplomacy and hand shaking or war and they would ensure that the holy places of each monotesitic religion is put safe and protected with no foreign occupation except Volounteer Soldiers whom seek for a resolution like this, repeating that the Crusader organization has Christians, Muslims and Jews. And they all have an important role and as previously said seek a protection of all holy to them by force or paper. And there would be an army present there to prevent foreign invasions on the sites. And with the topic derailing I'd contact the leader of the Middle Eastern nation to come to the meeting as they have peformed a militarization of the region and they are a key figure in this. So I say, let's talk about the protection of religion in which all three could participate to prevent an another hostile action like this in the region. Deal?" 

Deal, seeing as we effectively offered peace last time. As for putting evidence against someone, we are unsure of what you mean.

We are not discounting the pro-independence components of the IB, but we are opposed to their bigotry. We are Western nations, and are supposed to set an example. We won't ally with bigots.

[Rimski]

"In which part of the conversation is the 'we offered peace last time' put in? 

Being Western doesn't mean being gods, Nations are powerful all over the globe and everything is west on the planet. 

Evidence - You have not put anything negative about The Regime you protect and no positive about the regime you oppose. If you are so filled with liberty then the people should know the full truth as half a truth still has the same ammount of lie in that scenario."

Edited June 13, 2018 by Rimski

[ReuKinChe]

We certainly have expressed concerns over Drago's government. He has much to do before Salazarstan can become a free nation, and we have previously suggested ways to improve. We hold all entities to the same standard. That's why we criticise the Islamic Brotherhood more: they're far more objectionable. They may want representation, like you said, which is a fine cause. However, they also want their religion to dominate the region, crushing all those who disagree with their Bronze Age worldview under their feet. We won't deny that we can be hypocritical; such is the nature of humanity. But is it not laughable for you to sit on your moral high horse and lecture about moral consistency and religious freedom, as you support would-be theocrats, yet call us tyrants?

Now here's a challenge: name one good thing about Lumia. Not our technology. Our values. Do that, and we'll do the same for you.

[Rimski]

"I repeat that you have landed in Egypt and razed it, and when linking the Australian-British relations, they have done much to make those stay with year long rule with putting men there that are not of the lands descent, the white people of Australia are not native to those lands and the Australians were only considered a colony and teritorry, not an ethnicity, nor a people for a long time and there is more to say. Now the Moral High Horse, it is applied to you not myself as I have said to abandon the talks about Egypt, then you continued with your lingual attacks after we raised questions and answered to yours on how it was. The Islamic Brotherhood has a right on that land and the people of their religion dominates the region, they need to have a major vote in the affairs of nation ruling them. Leaving Israel to be there is a huge blow to the majority peoples there, religion-wise as they have not gotten much freedom, the action of one party result in the suffering of the people. I am willing to establish a new party in the natiom with Muslims from the Crusader Organ which will represent the actual muslim people of the nation. I don't say IB is a perfect flower but Drago isn't one either. The IBs action have not just happened out of nowhere either, a long opression has resulted in radical groups like that to form and there are radical groups in each nation, why have you not done anything about them, the radicals of your nation? Your values mean nothing when you are willing to raze majorly populated area with a partys presence there that show no threat to your nation. Then the not needed militarization and distabilization of the region, with the militarization focused on us, without any reason. We have defended IB because their wish to free the Muslim People, we have established a Crusader Organisation to protect Religious points of all monoteistic religions of the world and making it Neutral Ground, we have not participated in the Internal Affairs of the Middle Eastern nation, we may have Blockaded Suez and had formed KT but only as a reaction of Salazaristani actions against Mecca and the World. You have espionaged our actions of Liberation and protection as your actions in the Internal Affairs of Salazaristan have only been aimed against IB and pro Drago with no positive ones of the first mentioned party and no negative ones against the second. We have not described as Dragos regime to be horrible, but we do not trust someone to lead the helm of a nation previously ruled by Dictators, Russia came out of a Soviet State with a fake and easily manipulative 'democracy'. 

Now going back to the Major Topics at hand. First your militarization. Our army present there is of no threat and only a defensive force are present there with no major militarization since the Prussia landings in Egypt. The Reuben-Salazaristani militarization of the region is majorly out of hand and is the destibilizator of the region with a large amass of units and equiptment.

Second, the new topic at hand, or updated. KTs operations in Salazaristan. Our terms are:

 All Holy Sites inside Salazaristani teritorry are considered a neutral zone

Those Neutral Zones are to be protected by KTs troops inside the city or with no KT troops being present there and they would be back at München while the Neutral Zones would be protected by Drago's Military but if Drago's army commited any action preventing the practise of religion then the rest of the Signatories were to turn offensive action against Drago (diplomatically, if all else fails them conflict) but if the action of Dragos millitance on Jews, Christians or Muslim were in shots being fired at the civilians (except if it were for self defence) then the rest of the Signatories turn very agressivly on Drago's regime with stages of Blockades and Sanctions at first if all else fails, war comes.

Salazaristan will have rights on taxation and other ways or gaining revenue from the populace there with 12% (minimum) of the revenue going in mantainment of the sites and improvement.

Salazaristani police are prevented from having heavier weapons excluding the Special Forces

KT would operate with the mantainment money and other affairs inside the holy sites while a Reubenian and Salazaristani representative would be at the table of KT.

Reubenias Sattelites were to stop espionaging Prussian actions

A Political Party made up of KT muslims and major non-terrorist muslim figures inside Salazaristan to speak for the muslim population of the nation.

If all is accepted the Prussian nation guarantees the independence of Salazaristan while that were to be revoked with actions against the Holy Sites and the Prussian nation will declare war on the IB Organizatiom

Edited June 14, 2018 by Rimski

[ReuKinChe]

We won't address your initial rhetoric, as it would merely inflame negative emotions which would sway our decision-making.

How Salazarstan chooses to manage themselves is ultimately up to their people, not to us. Though we agree with some of your terms, we must put them to a referendum.

We support the KT's protection of religious monuments, but we must ensure that it is both impartial and secular, so no religious sites are given special treatment, purely based on the religion they are a part of. International overseers would be necessary. The name of Knights Templar has history behind it, which may give the impression of bias to some religious people. We suggest the name of RHePA (Religious Heritage Protection Authority), but the name doesn't matter in the end, as long as it conveys impartiality. We also suggest that the military of the organisation be as neutral as possible. This could be achieved by having soldiers from other nations joined in. Lumia would be quick to seize a chance to protect humanity's heritage.

We will move our satellites away, with the understanding that both Prussia and Lumia will make no threatening gestures from now on.

[Rimski]

2 hours ago, Reuben Cheuk said:

We won't address your initial rhetoric, as it would merely inflame negative emotions which would sway our decision-making.

How Salazarstan chooses to manage themselves is ultimately up to their people, not to us. Though we agree with some of your terms, we must put them to a referendum.

We support the KT's protection of religious monuments, but we must ensure that it is both impartial and secular, so no religious sites are given special treatment, purely based on the religion they are a part of. International overseers would be necessary. The name of Knights Templar has history behind it, which may give the impression of bias to some religious people. We suggest the name of RHePA (Religious Heritage Protection Authority), but the name doesn't matter in the end, as long as it conveys impartiality. We also suggest that the military of the organisation be as neutral as possible. This could be achieved by having soldiers from other nations joined in. Lumia would be quick to seize a chance to protect humanity's heritage.

We will move our satellites away, with the understanding that both Prussia and Lumia will make no threatening gestures from now on.

"That is why I have said to invite a representative to the negotiating table here as they are a major player in these issues. KT is just an organization that protects religion, and as previously noted has Muslims and Jews inside it like the Crusade had as well. There will be no bias, and we have said that representatives from both Lumia and Salazaristan are welcomed to the table of KT. All Defensive Operations in the holy sites are Neutral and the Armies would be there just to protect against a foreign invader or against any terrorist attack inside the sites. They are there to keep it safe. About the muslim party, we opted for that as there is only a radical Muslim Party in Salazaristan and no party that actually listens to the muslim population. We can agree to the last factor, now specify the terms you can agree and those which you cannot so we can reform them"

[ReuKinChe]

 

 

"Salazarstan will have rights on taxation and other ways or gaining revenue from the populace there with 12% (minimum) of the revenue going in mantainment of the sites and improvement."

This will need to depend on what the people of Salazarstan choose. Because the holy sites are neutral ground, the Salazarstani people really have no more obligation to give funds for the sites than we do. Salazarstan is also in a situation where money is needed for its own infrastructural development. Lumia would be happy to divert some of our foreign aid budget to the maintenance of the holy sites, as well as other monuments to human heritage.

 

"Salazarstani police are prevented from having heavier weapons excluding the Special Forces."

While we definitely support a less heavily-armed police force, the people of Salazarstan will need to decide on this in a free and fair referendum.

 

"A political party made up of KT Muslims and major non-terrorist Muslim figures inside Salazarstan to speak for the Muslim population of the nation."

We aren't necessarily opposed to this, but for this to be done right, it'll be necessary for it to be independent from foreign powers.

 

"If all is accepted... the Prussian nation will declare war on the IB Organisation."

This is admirable of your nation, but a traditional war would probably not be necessary. Lumia has mostly defeated the main organising base of the IB, with the remainder of their forces to be defeated within the month. All future illegal actions undertaken by the IB will likely take place in a disorganised manner. What Prussia could do is to watch for domestic terror plots made by the IB and its allies.

 

On all other points, we are in agreement.

[Ivan Salazar]

Salazarstam wishes to express its concern on the KT, an religous sect deditcated to wipping out all others to establish christan dominate middle east as well as taking the holy city of Juresalem. We in good conchance can't allow the knights templar within our borders unless they aggree to respect not only our reiglion but all others while with in our borders, if they do this we see no reason not to accept the terms.