Popular Post OsRavan Posted April 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2018 Orange Defense Network To all, I've been getting a lot of questions regarding ODN's war status, so I felt some clarification was needed. On the 24th of March, the Golden Horde hit ODN. From our perspective for no reason, from theirs for a variety of reasons. They claimed we were part of this "IQ" coalition. C'est la vie though, that's life. We were attacked by the Horde. They called the attack a 'mass raid,' but as far as ODN was concerned, this was and remained a war. Multiple waves of attacks sending us to beige and then happening again and again are not a 'raid' in our book. We don't mind dealing with raids, we have lots of respect for raiders. This was not a raid as far as we were concerned (they are welcome to call it what they want). They told us the only way the attacks would end, would be if we cancelled our treaties with NPO. Well no thank you. The day anyone but ODN dictates who ODN can and cannot call friend will be a cold day in hell. In all honesty, besides from apparently our friends in NPO we couldn't even tell you who is in IQ. Certainly we dont consider ourselves in it. I'm sure they are fine folks, and we've got the utmost respect for NPO, but we had no interest in joining the global war and anyone who talked to us could have figured that out. As such, just because the global war has ended, *OUR* war with the Golden Horde has NOT ended. Just as we never intended to go to war with IQ, nor do we intend to declare peace with the Golden Horde simply because a bunch of random other alliances declared peace. Especially not considering how this whole thing started. We are under no delusions. The Golden Horde is bigger than us. They are more experienced then us. They outnumber us. We were attacked when we weren't expecting it and that hit us hard. We have limited resources. I suspect that for every 1 million of damage we do to the Horde, they will do 10 million to us. That's fine. We'll make that trade gladly, week after week. But we will deal damage. And we will not give in. They can smash us into a bloody pulp, crack our skulls, break every bone in our body. Our teeth will still be lodged firmly in their flesh at the end of it. ::Grins:: if nothing else, this will be a nice lesson on ODN's character for the rest of the world. I'm sure there are plenty out there who are better nation builders. Better with war mechanics. More experienced. But we're an ornery stubborn bunch of asses when you rile us up. I suspect TGH will get to see that first hand. There's nothing personal with this. I am looking forward to a long and good war with TGH. Most of them have been fine opponents so far. If I need to be reduced to a smoking pile of rubble, I am glad they will be the ones doing it! But in ODN we have a code of honor we live by. And the real test of such a code is not in easy times, but when facing overwhelming odds. So for everyone asking.... yes ODN considers itself at war with TGH. No we are not peaceing out because IQ did. Yes we intend to have a lot of fun with them on the battlefield. No this war won't be ending anytime soon, no matter how hopeless it is, not until *we* are satisfied that we've gotten what we need. 1 29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheonix Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 ODN STRONK! 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flavee Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 STRONK HARDER !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buorhann Posted April 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2018 MEAT IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS 27 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Settra Posted April 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, OsRavan said: -snip- It's just a raid, bro. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cataduanes Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Good luck ODN. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcKnox Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 1 Quote Praise Dio. Every !@#$ing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Storm Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 You go get 'em. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 What do you honestly gain out of this? We destroy you until you peace out and then you take even longer to rebuild. You show your “resolve” but that won’t stop anyone from attacking you in the future. You’ll be way too low to help your allies much in the future, including NPO, would will be 18-20 cities in 6 months, if not more, while your average may go to 10(last I checked it was 8-9, idk if that’s changed). So why? Honestly it makes no sense to not just peace out with IQ. You can make FA moves to change how people view you. Literally all you’re doing is isolating yourself from IQ and isolating yourself from the other side of the game. 3 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eumirbago Posted April 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2018 Just now, Kastor said: What do you honestly gain out of this? We destroy you until you peace out and then you take even longer to rebuild. You show your “resolve” but that won’t stop anyone from attacking you in the future. You’ll be way too low to help your allies much in the future, including NPO, would will be 18-20 cities in 6 months, if not more, while your average may go to 10(last I checked it was 8-9, idk if that’s changed). So why? Honestly it makes no sense to not just peace out with IQ. You can make FA moves to change how people view you. Literally all you’re doing is isolating yourself from IQ and isolating yourself from the other side of the game. frick you Kastor, Optional Defense Network must continue on! 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pubstomper Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Oh man I was worried I was going to be bored for a while. Bless u and your silly decisions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OsRavan Posted April 18, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Kastor said: What do you honestly gain out of this? We destroy you until you peace out and then you take even longer to rebuild. You show your “resolve” but that won’t stop anyone from attacking you in the future. You’ll be way too low to help your allies much in the future, including NPO, would will be 18-20 cities in 6 months, if not more, while your average may go to 10(last I checked it was 8-9, idk if that’s changed). So why? Honestly it makes no sense to not just peace out with IQ. You can make FA moves to change how people view you. Literally all you’re doing is isolating yourself from IQ and isolating yourself from the other side of the game. Well again. We dont consider ourselves part of IQ. We keep saying that, and it doesn't seem to sink in. Maybe this will help. Hell you said 'help your allies in the future, including NPO' but we dont HAVE any allies besides NPO. We're out here on our own on this one ::grins::. That means we have no support to help us, but it also means we are beholden to no one else. Hell, after NPO the alliance we admire the most would probably be Arrgh and we have no ties to them. And why do this? It has to do with why we exist as an alliance. To us its not about global politics or nation building. Again, it may not be the 'right' way to play compared to most alliances... but we aren't most alliances. We care far more for what we view as right and wrong, our code of honor, being able to look ourselves in the mirror.... all that far more for that than we do our stats. Everyone SAYS that. Everyone SAYS "if you mess with us we will war for months." We intend to LIVE it. Words are cheap. Actions show your character. If we let you just hit us for the reasons you did and then rolled over, it wouldn't say anything bad about TGH's character. But it sure as hell would about ODNs. Speaking purely personally, what do *I* want from this war? 1) You all will never admit it publicly. But when I look in your eyes, I want into your heart-of-hearts to know you are going "Yeah, it was probably stupid of us to hit ODN when they were sitting this war out." 2) More importantly, right now I don't sense or feel any particular respect from you all to us. That's fine. Respect has to be earned. By the time this is done, I suspect that (again, even if you won't admit it) your eyes will tell me a different story. ::Grins:: I want you to be going "damn those ODNers may not be xyz.... but they are some crazy ******" You don't have to like us. Think us brilliant fighters. Or savy players. But I *WILL* see that you respect our commitment, integrity, and resilience. And if you don't we will keep fighting till you do. 3) Most importantly. This is more than anything else about *ourselves*. We arent fighting to make you surrender (though you are welcome to surrender to us!) We are fighting for *ourselves*. We don't like how this war happened.... and we wouldn't like what it said about us if we rolled over on it. We see this as an internal test of our character. Can we go the distance. Most importantly at all, this war will end when we can look at ourselves and say "we satisfied our honor. We handled ourselves well. We put EVERYTHING on the battlefield. There wasn't an ounce more effort we could give. Not a dollar more damage we could squeeze out, not a day more we could struggle on. This is our best." I don't care what that is in total damage. Just that we know there isn't an OUNCE left to wring from ourselves. We want to go to that final limit. And we want to see what that limit is. And we want to surpass our expectations of ourselves. Corny? Maybe. Stupid? Could be. But the world would be boring if every alliance in it just did the "standard" "smart" move. ::grins:: Welcome to ODN land. Edited April 18, 2018 by OsRavan 7 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinimac Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Neato, rev up the war engines boys! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post durmij Posted April 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2018 This isn't really a post worth dumping on. We all claim to want dynamism but when an alliance actually does do something outside of the norm, from a position of weakness no less, they get shit on. 5 18 1 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zygon Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) Edited April 18, 2018 by Zygon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsRavan Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Settra said: ...yeah? I did say that. You caught us by surprise. We had no military built up, got blockaded right away with most of our resources in our bank. Not much to be done that first round. But there were other rounds and will continue to be others. Was I supposed to chest thump and pretend we were going to hurt you off the bat? ::amused shrug:: Was just trying to be a good sport and honest with you all when it happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcKnox Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 >We're going to nuke 800 infra cities until you regret your decision! 1 Quote Praise Dio. Every !@#$ing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pubstomper Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, OsRavan said: -snip- Speaking purely personally, what do *I* want from this war? 1) You all will never admit it publicly. But when I look in your eyes, I want into your heart-of-hearts to know you are going "Yeah, it was probably stupid of us to hit ODN when they were sitting this war out." 2) More importantly, right now I don't sense or feel any particular respect from you all to us. That's fine. Respect has to be earned. By the time this is done, I suspect that (again, even if you won't admit it) your eyes will tell me a different story. ::Grins:: I want you to be going "damn those ODNers may not be xyz.... but they are some crazy ******" You don't have to like us. Think us brilliant fighters. Or savy players. But I *WILL* see that you respect our commitment, integrity, and resilience. And if you don't we will keep fighting till you do. 3) Most importantly. This is more than anything else about *ourselves*. We arent fighting to make you surrender (though you are welcome to surrender to us!) We are fighting for *ourselves*. We don't like how this war happened.... and we wouldn't like what it said about us if we rolled over on it. We see this as an internal test of our character. Can we go the distance. Most importantly at all, this war will end when we can look at ourselves and say "we satisfied our honor. We handled ourselves well. We put EVERYTHING on the battlefield. There wasn't an ounce more effort we could give. Not a dollar more damage we could squeeze out, not a day more we could struggle on. This is our best." I don't care what that is in total damage. Just that we know there isn't an OUNCE left to wring from ourselves. We want to go to that final limit. And we want to see what that limit is. And we want to surpass our expectations of ourselves. -snip- 1) Hitting you guys was actually one of the smartest things we did this war. The amount of money we took from you guys quite literally funded our wars against the other people we were fighting. I saw one war arcknox looted over 40m from a single war on you guys. 2) You're right, we don't respect you. We don't respect that when we hit you your response was "well have fun, I won't fight back, nothing I can do." Yet now, you get up on your soapbox and preach about how you are fighting until the bitter end and with dignity. There is no "commitment, integrity, and resilience" in rolling over at our blitz. You catch us now, licking our wounds and we still will be able to best you in war, just not to the same degree as before. You couldn't COMMIT to not fighting or fighting, you are jumping between the two now. Your integrity is ever more in question considering you refused to help the only alliance you are tied to when they were declared on - then gasp at the idea that you were hit for being tied to them. Your resilience is maybe the one thing you got going for you, because you had an out just now with the global war being ended, then you opt into staying in a war you know you can't win. So kudos, you got me on resilience. 3) "we wouldn't like what it said about us if we rolled over on it." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiho Nishizumi Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, OsRavan said: 1) You all will never admit it publicly. But when I look in your eyes, I want into your heart-of-hearts to know you are going "Yeah, it was probably stupid of us to hit ODN when they were sitting this war out." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, OsRavan said: Well again. We dont consider ourselves part of IQ. We keep saying that, and it doesn't seem to sink in. Maybe this will hep. Hell you said 'help your allies in the future, including NPO' but we dont HAVE any allies besides NPO. We're out here on our own on this one ::grins::. That means we have no support or help us, but it also means we are beholden to no one else. Hell, after NPO the alliance we admire the most would probably be Arrgh and we have no ties to them. And why do this? It has to do with why we exist as an alliance. To us its not about global politics or nation building. Again, it may not be the 'right' way to play compared to most alliances... but we aren't most alliances. We care far more for what we view as right and wrong, our code of honor, being able to look ourselves in the mirror.... all that far more for that than we do our stats. Everyone SAYS that. Everyone SAYS "if you mess with us we will war for months." We intend to LIVE it. Words are cheap. Actions show your character. If we let you just hit us for the reasons you did and then rolled over, it wouldn't say anything bad about TGH's character. But it sure as hell would about ODNs. Speaking purely personally, what do *I* want from this war? 1) You all will never admit it publicly. But when I look in your eyes, I want into your heart-of-hearts to know you are going "Yeah, it was probably stupid of us to hit ODN when they were sitting this war out." 2) More importantly, right now I don't sense or feel any particular respect from you all to us. That's fine. Respect has to be earned. By the time this is done, I suspect that (again, even if you won't admit it) your eyes will tell me a different story. ::Grins:: I want you to be going "damn those ODNers may not be xyz.... but they are some crazy ******" You don't have to like us. Think us brilliant fighters. Or savy players. But I *WILL* see that you respect our commitment, integrity, and resilience. And if you don't we will keep fighting till you do. 3) Most importantly. This is more than anything else about *ourselves*. We arent fighting to make you surrender (though you are welcome to surrender to us!) We are fighting for *ourselves*. We don't like how this war happened.... and we wouldn't like what it said about us if we rolled over on it. We see this as an internal test of our character. Can we go the distance. Most importantly at all, this war will end when we can look at ourselves and say "we satisfied our honor. We handled ourselves well. We put EVERYTHING on the battlefield. There wasn't an ounce more effort we could give. Not a dollar more damage we could squeeze out, not a day more we could struggle on. This is our best." I don't care what that is in total damage. Just that we know there isn't an OUNCE left to wring from ourselves. We want to go to that final limit. And we want to see what that limit is. And we want to surpass our expectations of ourselves. Corny? Maybe. Stupid? Could be. But the world would be boring if every alliance in it just did the "standard" "smart" move. ::grins:: Welcome to ODN land. Let me break down why you’re wrong. first off, when I said “allies” I meant in the future. Surely you don’t expect to be an NPO protectorate forever? 1. We probably won’t ever feel that way. I indirectly came up with the idea to hit you guys and Buorhann put it into action. You guys have been an alliance for awhile and you sat on the sidelines and decided to just “grow”. Because of that you’re a target, everyone will probably decide to hit you now, not just TGH, as the NAP doesn’t apply to you, you aren’t protected. 2. We have better tiering than you, now, if we can focus our lower people on you and just continuously raid you guys, you don’t stand a chance of actually doing any major damage. You just will continually get raided and your alliance will go inactive and not grow. Look at it now, you have 28 nations, 5 are on purple and one is red. They may have taken a quick LoA but the effects of a long war is still there. Look at history, when you have long wars, members jump ship. Especially if its a losing war. I respect you less now, and I would respect you more if you did the thing in my next point. 3. Instead of hitting us or trying too anyway, you could rebuild, grow, and find allies to come hit us. You guys have no baggage, did decent once you started fighting(which took awhile btw). And live to fight another day. This is different than CN so let me put it in perspective. The more/better city tiering you have the more strength you have. By deciding to fight and stay under 12-13 when majority of the game is 15-18, only hurts you, as people are going to move into the 20-22 city range while you’re at 12-13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiri Arch Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Arrgh! 1 Quote Officer Nasty reporting for duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ungawa Jones Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Action is coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quichwe10 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Errr... Well, you're not lacking in balls. Self preservation.... well, speaking as someone who was did that against TEst, good luck. o7 But seriously, yer gonna die so goddamn hard. I'll begin writing the eulogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Well. If you wanna go full roaring mouse, then I for one can't help but respect that. None can fault your bravery... ...only your results. If you're gonna do this, you'd better do it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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