Placentica Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 As this forum is OOC, my post is also OOC. This is an open question to the people in Guardian and Grumpy Old Bastards. If you do not want to play by the rules, why play at all? What is the point of cheating in a browser sim? This is a game and as such the challenge is in beating the game, not cheating. Isn't it enough that you declared war on my PW alliance with twice the cities and tons of extra support if needed? You clearly played the PW politics game well. Opportunism in your timing of your hit is good strategy. Making sure you would win before you attacked is good strategy and commonplace here. Large use by people in Guardian and some GOB to use Ordinary wars to minimize damage is perfectly fine. But why try to minimize destruction with game exploits? Would you like us to just give you our nations? Would you like us to just stop nuking you? Is that what you are after here? People in Guardian and Grumpy, but mostly Guardian used a game exploit where we couldn't select the city we wanted to be nuked. No matter what we selected, it would nuke the city that a person in Guardian wanted based on infra (and they knew how to rig it well), and it would just nuke that city over and over again when they rebought infra or nuke the weakest cities with the least population. They knew about this exploit, very clearly, by looking at their city builds. If not caught it would've left Guardian and Grumpy Old Bastards much less destroyed. I think it did factor into their decision to attack us, knowing their destruction would be greatly minimized. No real economic problems other than 1 city and infra cost vs. large-scale city improvement destruction and few economic penalties. It makes for a pretty huge difference. But mostly they knowingly used game exploits to avoid damage when they already had more than enough firepower to win and we all know they have plenty of cash to rebuild. The other exploit they are using is being fixed by Alex, so I will not bring up the details right now to prevent it's further use against us. So to the people in Guardian and Grumpy Old Bastards, is that really the way you want to play? When people cheat, usually the other people leave. Is this what you want? Do you want Alpha to just quit the game? Even now we are going to have many members leave the game over this. Is that what you wanted by cheating? I might just leave myself, not sure I want to play a game that has constant exploits and people like you who use them to your advantage against weaker parties. Also: After thinking about this long and seeing the responses, I've also made a suggestion that I think will make the game more inline with the community here. I've made a suggestion to remove nukes from the game. Again, being serious, I think it's for the best and the community is definitely in support of removing nukes: 5 12 Quote Hello! If you don't like this post please go here: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=core&area=ignoredusers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiri Arch Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 If this is true, about them using exploits to minimize damage on themselves, and whatever the other exploit you said is currently being fixed, then Guardian and GoB should have action taken against them. Knowingly abusing in game exploits during war? Lol, Alex take a city away from them all. 3 3 Quote Officer Nasty reporting for duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buorhann Posted March 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2018 Honestly I knew the auto target would target the highest Infra, but I wasn't aware it wouldn't let you choose a different target. I wonder how that exploit really works or if Alex just broke something in the process of changing the war mechanic, because in the past I used this tactic in my favor (Build 1 extra Infra in my lowest city pop to change it as the "highest" automated target) and was also able to change targets that my Nukes/Missiles would hit as well. 12 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prefonteen Posted March 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2018 At least they didnt fortify out their wars. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placentica Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 The exploit was confirmed by dozens of us and happened close to 100% of the time. First few times I thought I had clicked wrong, but then we started taking screenshots and being extra careful. It happened every time before the fix. We immediately took it to Alex and he was good about fixing it. But had we not brought it to his attention, this would've been an entirely different war and even now, it really meant a lot of wasted nukes. 1 1 Quote Hello! If you don't like this post please go here: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=core&area=ignoredusers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 16 minutes ago, Buorhann said: Honestly I knew the auto target would target the highest Infra, but I wasn't aware it wouldn't let you choose a different target. I wonder how that exploit really works or if Alex just broke something in the process of changing the war mechanic, because in the past I used this tactic in my favor (Build 1 extra Infra in my lowest city pop to change it as the "highest" automated target) and was also able to change targets that my Nukes/Missiles would hit as well. Alex said it was an artifact bug, as in he doesn't know how it got there but it was a bug. 1 Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Oh weird. So it could've been exploited for years then? 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Wait this is an exploit? we did it because we figured you were too stupid to figure out that you should change your nuke cities. If it actually is, it doesn't work all the time, because to your credit you guys have been changing away from the ones i have been trying to get you to nuke. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick0984 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 38 minutes ago, James II said: Alex said it was an artifact bug, as in he doesn't know how it got there but it was a bug. As a developer by day, I can confirm that this sentence does not make sense. Either from Alex or James. Cheers. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Samwise Posted March 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2018 Really man, I had no idea. I'm completely dumbfounded, and I understand that you may be skeptical of that, but truly, I didn't know there was an exploit that was not allowing you to select which cities to nuke. The only strategy we discussed was as SRD said - buying a small amount of infra in our newer cities hoping that you'd take the bait of nuking those instead of the older ones. But we never had any idea that you were being forced to nuke the same city over twice. I know it's not my fault, but I do apologize. If you don't believe I didn't use any exploit, just take a look at my nation and see the 8 different cities that were nuked. Really, we would have never condoned using such an exploit. 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Maverick0984 said: As a developer by day, I can confirm that this sentence does not make sense. Either from Alex or James. Cheers. You don't know what an artifact is? It's pretty universal langauge in *most* sciences 1 Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 8mrgrim8 Posted March 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2018 how are we suppose to know this exploit when we never launched nukes? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post synthesis Posted March 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, 8mrgrim8 said: how are we suppose to know this exploit when we never launched nukes? Basically this and I am personally insulted that you even thought we were using this to cheat, in fact I would even go as far to say that this thread title is outright slander. Your entire OP is based on the fact that we knew it was a "bug" in the first place. We never launch nukes, so how could we know? We literally just based it on the simple context of security through obscurity, hoping that you wouldn't notice you were hitting a younger city and the fact it always worked never crossed our minds that it could be a "bug". There was certainly no malicious intent behind it. I can promise you as someone that has been playing this game for a long, long time that this "bug" for want of a better word, was used without knowledge that it actually prevented nukes from hitting the intended city. If we had known, we would have rebuilt the same city over and over again (as you mention) - but this was never done. Look at our nations and you will see that infra was built in many of them as more and more were nuked. Had we known this, it wouldn't have been the case and we would all have simply kept rebuilding the same city - please give me examples of that otherwise as I would be interested to see them. Whether you believe this or not is up to you, but it's the truth. Edited March 27, 2018 by synthesis 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memph Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Wow you sure know a lot about the internal workings of our alliance. Do you have a spy? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Memph said: Wow you sure know a lot about the internal workings of our alliance. Do you have a spy? I thought you knew. Wasn't that your CB? 1 2 Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthesis Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, James II said: I thought you knew. Wasn't that your CB? I thought you knew, that was your big mouth. Edited March 27, 2018 by synthesis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pubstomper Posted March 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2018 I have known the people in Alpha, Grumpy, and Guardian for years now - we troll and have a good time but I don't think any of them actually would intentionally abuse this. For the most part they are pretty morally led people. Same goes for Alpha, so I understand how you can feel so wronged after having had this happen to you. I'm sure it wasn't something they knew about until this war started and you guys had started lobbing the nukes. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Samwise Posted March 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) On 3/26/2018 at 4:48 PM, Placentica said: We immediately took it to Alex and he was good about fixing it. But had we not brought it to his attention, this would've been an entirely different war and even now, it really meant a lot of wasted nukes. I have gone through the logs of every single war in Grumpy, combed over every nuke report, and every single nuke that landed, landed on a different city. While I understand your frustration, this is something that could've initially been approached privately. Had we not provided sufficent evidence to disprove, sure, make a public thread about it. But this is a serious accusation, where you assumed without actually delving into our war reports. Here's a list of every nuke report in Grumpy, where you'll see every nuke hit a unique city. There were 2 guys (Aenir and Inconnu) where their cities all shared the same name, so I included the URLs to those cities. You'll notice, as far as Grumpy is concerned, this war would not have looked differently and there were no nukes wasted. Joe Quote 03/26/2018 06:23 pm Lady of the Valley Hope Solo of Naboo detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Felandia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,936.00 infrastructure in the city of East Jerome and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 10:03 am The Päällikkö Wip of Wippelandia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Felandia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,975.00 infrastructure in the city of Alphaville and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 04:40 pm Brewmaster Abshire of Brewery detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Felandia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,859.00 infrastructure in the city of Calvins Creek and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 09:53 pm Brewmaster Abshire of Brewery detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Felandia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,734.00 infrastructure in the city of Fancy Fields and 2 improvements. Goldie Quote 03/26/2018 08:07 pm Trump Facist R Johnson of Kingdom detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Viridia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,811.00 infrastructure in the city of Frumundia and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 09:45 pm A White Man John Colman of Dutch Company detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Viridia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,962.00 infrastructure in the city of Doritia and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 09:58 pm A White Man John Colman of Dutch Company detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Viridia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,789.00 infrastructure in the city of Fellatia and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 02:12 pm Bravhurr G4LYFE of Grataz detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Viridia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,874.00 infrastructure in the city of Ignatia and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 02:43 pm Pope Parnella of Frauche detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Viridia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,944.00 infrastructure in the city of Februaria and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 07:14 pm Pope Parnella of Frauche detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Viridia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,831.00 infrastructure in the city of Tasmania and 2 improvements. Rosen Quote 03/25/2018 01:56 pm Muhat Mahat of Pashmina detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of North Bulgaria and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,846.00 infrastructure in the city of Veliko Tarnovo and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 08:17 pm Muhat Mahat of Pashmina detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of North Bulgaria and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,923.00 infrastructure in the city of Elena and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 02:12 pm Bravhurr G4LYFE of Grataz detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of North Bulgaria and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,763.00 infrastructure in the city of Lovech and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 07:57 pm Bravhurr G4LYFE of Grataz detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of North Bulgaria and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,912.00 infrastructure in the city of Lqskovetz and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 04:40 pm Brewmaster Abshire of Brewery detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of North Bulgaria and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,703.00 infrastructure in the city of Grumpy Old Bastards and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 04:08 pm Brewmaster Abshire of Brewery detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of North Bulgaria and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,944.00 infrastructure in the city of Gorna Oryahovitza and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 04:03 pm The Great Midwife Placentica of Kangaroo Ocean detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of North Bulgaria and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,750.00 infrastructure in the city of Zavet and 2 improvements. Monika Quote 03/25/2018 09:53 pm Muhat Mahat of Pashmina detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Literature and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,929.00 infrastructure in the city of Extra Poem 5 and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 08:15 pm Muhat Mahat of Pashmina detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Literature and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,786.00 infrastructure in the city of Tea Corner and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 04:02 pm The Great Midwife Placentica of Kangaroo Ocean detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Literature and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,878.00 infrastructure in the city of An Eternity For You and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 06:49 pm The Great Midwife Placentica of Kangaroo Ocean detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Literature and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,882.00 infrastructure in the city of Class Room and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 02:13 pm Bravhurr G4LYFE of Grataz detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Literature and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,783.00 infrastructure in the city of Santa Monika and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 07:58 pm Bravhurr G4LYFE of Grataz detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Literature and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,841.00 infrastructure in the city of Manga Shed and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 07:25 pm A White Man John Colman of Dutch Company detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Literature and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,258.50 infrastructure in the city of Sayori's Room and 2 improvements. SRD Quote 03/25/2018 10:46 pm President El Camino of Oystralia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Jewidia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,747.00 infrastructure in the city of Ninety Percent and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 08:41 pm Grinder Soxirella of Jusmania detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Jewidia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,835.00 infrastructure in the city of Seventy Six Percent and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 08:32 pm Grinder Soxirella of Jusmania detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Jewidia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,959.00 infrastructure in the city of Seventy Two Percent and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 08:14 pm Muhat Mahat of Pashmina detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Jewidia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,849.00 infrastructure in the city of Ninety five Percent and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 12:01 pm King Apeman of Resistance detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Jewidia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,751.00 infrastructure in the city of Eighty Percent and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 10:08 am Field Master Malx65 of Bazack Haven detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Jewidia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,861.00 infrastructure in the city of Eighty Eight Percent and 2 improvements. ---- 03/25/2018 01:59 pm King Smash Face of Brasilia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Jewidia and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,808.00 infrastructure in the city of One Hundred Percent and 2 improvements. Seph Quote 03/25/2018 11:47 pm Buckfutter Caustic of Hazardous Materials detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Union CentroAmericana and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,704.00 infrastructure in the city of Leticia and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 02:02 pm King Apeman of Resistance detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Union CentroAmericana and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,935.00 infrastructure in the city of Exodus and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 03:36 pm King Apeman of Resistance detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Union CentroAmericana and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,840.00 infrastructure in the city of City State of Baig and 2 improvements. Boysun Quote 03/25/2018 09:57 pm Trump Facist R Johnson of Kingdom detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Republic of WPMT and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,739.00 infrastructure in the city of Corrine and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 08:06 pm Trump Facist R Johnson of Kingdom detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Republic of WPMT and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,897.00 infrastructure in the city of Poplar and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 09:46 pm A White Man John Colman of Dutch Company detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Republic of WPMT and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,913.00 infrastructure in the city of Malta and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 09:58 pm A White Man John Colman of Dutch Company detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Republic of WPMT and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,965.00 infrastructure in the city of Sproul and 2 improvements. 03/25/2018 04:03 pm The Great Midwife Placentica of Kangaroo Ocean detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Republic of WPMT and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,982.00 infrastructure in the city of Dabney and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 06:46 pm The Great Midwife Placentica of Kangaroo Ocean detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Republic of WPMT and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,738.00 infrastructure in the city of Chelsea and 2 improvements. Pres Quote 03/26/2018 08:34 pm Grinder Soxirella of Jusmania detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Concord and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,904.00 infrastructure in the city of Providence and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 09:55 pm Muhat Mahat of Pashmina detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Concord and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,840.00 infrastructure in the city of Pierre and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 08:15 pm Muhat Mahat of Pashmina detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Concord and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,928.00 infrastructure in the city of Albany and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 09:57 pm Trump Facist R Johnson of Kingdom detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Concord and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,786.00 infrastructure in the city of Cheyenne and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 08:07 pm Trump Facist R Johnson of Kingdom detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Concord and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,743.00 infrastructure in the city of Augusta and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 01:18 pm King Apeman of Resistance detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Concord and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,873.00 infrastructure in the city of Bismarck and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 12:02 pm King Apeman of Resistance detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Concord and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,958.00 infrastructure in the city of Helena and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 12:09 pm Pope Parnella of Frauche detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Concord and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,999.00 infrastructure in the city of Nashua and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 07:12 pm Pope Parnella of Frauche detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Concord and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,956.00 infrastructure in the city of Boston and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 07:26 pm A White Man John Colman of Dutch Company detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Concord and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,808.00 infrastructure in the city of Montpelier and 2 improvements. Ham Quote 03/25/2018 09:59 pm King Smash Face of Brasilia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Packet Switched Network and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,970.00 infrastructure in the city of City21 and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 11:56 pm King Smash Face of Brasilia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Packet Switched Network and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,812.00 infrastructure in the city of City03 and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 09:56 pm Muhat Mahat of Pashmina detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Packet Switched Network and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,918.00 infrastructure in the city of City22 and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 08:14 pm Muhat Mahat of Pashmina detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Packet Switched Network and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,758.00 infrastructure in the city of City02 and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 10:46 am Captain Boniver of Hudson Bay detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Packet Switched Network and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,763.00 infrastructure in the city of City06 and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 12:34 pm Lady of the Valley Hope Solo of Naboo detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Packet Switched Network and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,973.00 infrastructure in the city of City20 and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 06:25 pm Lady of the Valley Hope Solo of Naboo detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Packet Switched Network and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,836.00 infrastructure in the city of City01 and 2 improvements. Inconnu Quote 03/26/2018 11:57 pm King Smash Face of Brasilia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Inconnue and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,812.00 infrastructure in the city of Unknown and 2 improvements. Link: https://politicsandwar.com/city/id=48386 --- 03/25/2018 09:56 pm Trump Facist R Johnson of Kingdom detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Inconnue and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,868.00 infrastructure in the city of Unknown and 2 improvements. Link: https://politicsandwar.com/city/id=51724 --- 03/26/2018 08:06 pm Trump Facist R Johnson of Kingdom detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Inconnue and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,831.00 infrastructure in the city of Unknown and 2 improvements. Link: https://politicsandwar.com/city/id=56534 --- 03/25/2018 09:46 pm A White Man John Colman of Dutch Company detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Inconnue and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,797.00 infrastructure in the city of Unknown and 2 improvements. Link: https://politicsandwar.com/city/id=36781 --- 03/26/2018 09:59 pm A White Man John Colman of Dutch Company detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Inconnue and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,758.00 infrastructure in the city of Unknown and 2 improvements. Link: https://politicsandwar.com/city/id=39567 Tamer Quote 03/27/2018 01:07 am President El Camino of Oystralia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Pleiades and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,799.00 infrastructure in the city of Pre Concious and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 10:07 pm King Smash Face of Brasilia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Pleiades and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,708.00 infrastructure in the city of Neuroticism and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 11:57 pm King Smash Face of Brasilia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Pleiades and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,948.00 infrastructure in the city of Perception and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 09:54 pm Muhat Mahat of Pashmina detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Pleiades and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,838.00 infrastructure in the city of Factor Analysis and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 08:13 pm Muhat Mahat of Pashmina detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Pleiades and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,760.00 infrastructure in the city of Concious and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 01:34 pm Trump Facist R Johnson of Kingdom detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Pleiades and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,705.00 infrastructure in the city of Recovery and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 07:49 pm Trump Facist R Johnson of Kingdom detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Pleiades and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,761.00 infrastructure in the city of Super Ego and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 12:19 pm A White Man John Colman of Dutch Company detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Pleiades and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,707.00 infrastructure in the city of Psyche and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 07:26 pm A White Man John Colman of Dutch Company detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Pleiades and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,987.00 infrastructure in the city of Ego and 2 improvements. Ajax Quote 03/26/2018 01:20 am Pope Parnella of Frauche detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Sybaris and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,957.00 infrastructure in the city of Taranto and 2 improvements. --- 03/27/2018 01:44 am Pope Parnella of Frauche detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Sybaris and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,965.00 infrastructure in the city of Pleasuria and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 12:58 am Lady of the Valley Hope Solo of Naboo detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Sybaris and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,708.00 infrastructure in the city of Cassano and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 10:09 pm King Smash Face of Brasilia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Sybaris and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,891.00 infrastructure in the city of Hedonism and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 11:56 pm King Smash Face of Brasilia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Sybaris and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,764.00 infrastructure in the city of Opulenta and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 07:06 pm President El Camino of Oystralia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Sybaris and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,878.00 infrastructure in the city of Epicuria and 2 improvements. Samwise Quote 03/26/2018 01:19 am Pope Parnella of Frauche detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Gladius and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,867.00 infrastructure in the city of Westmarch and 2 improvements. --- 03/27/2018 01:44 am Pope Parnella of Frauche detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Gladius and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,849.00 infrastructure in the city of Bywater and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 10:24 pm Captain Boniver of Hudson Bay detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Gladius and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,793.00 infrastructure in the city of Buckland and 2 improvements. --- 03/27/2018 01:36 am Captain Boniver of Hudson Bay detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Gladius and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,859.00 infrastructure in the city of Tuckborough and 2 improvements. --- 03/27/2018 01:09 am President El Camino of Oystralia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Gladius and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,950.00 infrastructure in the city of Hobbiton and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 01:57 pm Muhat Mahat of Pashmina detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Gladius and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,728.00 infrastructure in the city of Frogmorton and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 01:34 pm Trump Facist R Johnson of Kingdom detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Gladius and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,850.00 infrastructure in the city of Green Dragon and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 07:49 pm Trump Facist R Johnson of Kingdom detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Gladius and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,949.00 infrastructure in the city of Longbottom and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 01:59 pm King Smash Face of Brasilia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Gladius and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,805.00 infrastructure in the city of The Marish and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 07:31 pm King Smash Face of Brasilia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of Gladius and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,848.00 infrastructure in the city of Gamwich and 2 improvements. Korben Quote 03/26/2018 11:57 pm King Smash Face of Brasilia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of The Fifth Element and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,866.00 infrastructure in the city of Supergreen and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 09:58 pm Trump Facist R Johnson of Kingdom detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of The Fifth Element and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,883.00 infrastructure in the city of Hell and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 09:48 pm A White Man John Colman of Dutch Company detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of The Fifth Element and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,759.00 infrastructure in the city of IKEA and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 10:14 pm A White Man John Colman of Dutch Company detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of The Fifth Element and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,962.00 infrastructure in the city of Multipass and 2 improvements. --- 03/25/2018 01:56 pm Muhat Mahat of Pashmina detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of The Fifth Element and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,907.00 infrastructure in the city of Big ba-da boom and 2 improvements. --- 03/26/2018 08:16 pm Muhat Mahat of Pashmina detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of The Fifth Element and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,727.00 infrastructure in the city of Leeloo and 2 improvements. Aenir Quote 03/26/2018 01:21 am Pope Parnella of Frauche detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of BEPU and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,750.01 infrastructure in the city of in the city of and 2 improvements. Link: https://politicsandwar.com/city/id=124119 --- 03/27/2018 01:45 am Pope Parnella of Frauche detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of BEPU and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,736.00 infrastructure in the city of in the city of and 2 improvements. Link: https://politicsandwar.com/city/id=28210 --- 03/25/2018 10:23 pm Captain Boniver of Hudson Bay detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of BEPU and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,750.01 infrastructure in the city of in the city of and 2 improvements. Link: https://politicsandwar.com/city/id=147220 --- 03/25/2018 10:47 pm President El Camino of Oystralia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of BEPU and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,750.01 infrastructure in the city of in the city of and 2 improvements. Link: https://politicsandwar.com/city/id=141333 --- 03/27/2018 01:09 am President El Camino of Oystralia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of BEPU and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,750.00 infrastructure in the city of in the city of and 2 improvements. Link: https://politicsandwar.com/city/id=39737 --- 03/25/2018 02:02 pm King Smash Face of Brasilia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of BEPU and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,750.00 infrastructure in the city of e̸͟҉͡h̴̀͠t͝� and 2 improvements. Link: https://politicsandwar.com/city/id=172648 --- 03/26/2018 07:32 pm King Smash Face of Brasilia detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of BEPU and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,750.00 infrastructure in the city of in the city of and 2 improvements. Link: https://politicsandwar.com/city/id=52288 --- 03/25/2018 12:35 pm Lady of the Valley Hope Solo of Naboo detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of BEPU and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,750.00 infrastructure in the city of in the city of and 2 improvements. Link: https://politicsandwar.com/city/id=10614 --- 03/26/2018 06:23 pm Lady of the Valley Hope Solo of Naboo detonated a nuclear weapon in the nation of BEPU and eliminated 25 Resistance. The attack destroyed 1,750.00 infrastructure in the city of in the city of and 2 improvements. Link: https://politicsandwar.com/city/id=50684 Edited March 28, 2018 by Samwise Made that textwall easier on the eyes 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, synthesis said: I thought you knew, that was your big mouth. All the more to love you with my dear. 1 Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I blame Mensa. 3 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Just now, Buorhann said: I blame Mensa. Me too. #RollMensa #JusticeForNukeBloc 1 1 Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JtTeE Posted March 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, synthesis said: Basically this and I am personally insulted that you even thought we were using this to cheat, in fact I would even go as far to say that this thread title is outright slander. Your entire OP is based on the fact that we knew it was a "bug" in the first place. We never launch nukes, so how could we know? We literally just based it on the simple context of security through obscurity, hoping that you wouldn't notice you were hitting a younger city and the fact it always worked never crossed our minds that it could be a "bug". There was certainly no malicious intent behind it. I can promise you as someone that has been playing this game for a long, long time that this "bug" for want of a better word, was used without knowledge that it actually prevented nukes from hitting the intended city. If we had known, we would have rebuilt the same city over and over again (as you mention) - but this was never done. Look at our nations and you will see that infra was built in many of them as more and more were nuked. Had we known this, it wouldn't have been the case and we would all have simply kept rebuilding the same city - please give me examples of that otherwise as I would be interested to see them. Whether you believe this or not is up to you, but it's the truth. Pretty much what Grim and Synth have said. We've been playing this game for a very long time. We (both our old Guardian members and ex-Mensa members) are well respected for our prowess at war. We've used this mechanic (building 1 infra in your youngest cities) many times throughout the gameplay of P&W. It's a common tactic against nukes since, if the attacker doesn't know to change the city target, it automatically targets the younger city that has 1 more infra (which still has much lower population than the oldest city, thus minimizing damage to your economy). We've been using this tactic since we first got nuked (note that some of our members including memph and I have been nuked many times so we have a lot of experience with this type of warfare). We did the same this war, mostly joking amongst ourselves that it had seemed like nuke bloc didn't know how to use their nukes properly. I realize now that there was a bug and I apologize for laughing at you behind closed doors. However, did we know this was a bug (or an exploit as you like to call it)? Absolutely no. I'm not sure why you would think otherwise or where this information comes from. If Alex would like, I'd be happy to give him admin access to our discord so he can comb through the logs (and obviously he can see any alliance announcements or in game messages). We've simply done as we have any other war, use the built-in game mechanics to do the best we can in warfare (buying 1 infra in our youngest cities to hope that the nuker is too lazy to switch city targets and ends up nuking our youngest city and doing the least damage). How or why you would accuse us of using an exploit is beyond me. Do you have proof that people are rebuying infra in a single city? If so, I'd like to see it (and even if someone in our alliance was doing this, I'm sure there's a reason - I remember that, in a previous war, one of my members would make a statement by instantly rebuying the infra nuked to show that he could easily rebuild the cities nuked; admittedly not efficient in an economic sense but it was funny). We simply don't use nukes (I think we launched like 3 this war (all members who were already chastised for wasting turns instead of using naval attacks)) so how would we even know about this bug/exploit? Finally, why are you posting this in Orbis Central and not "bug reports?" Where is your proof? Screenshots of your claims of us using this bug/exploit? Is it perhaps because you have no proof and you wanted to slander us as much as possible that you posted it here? I'm sorry we declared on you and pulled off a good blitz. I'm sorry that we surprised you and you're unhappy. I'm sorry there was a bug with the game that affected your ability to target your nukes. But claiming that our alliance is cheating is crossing a line. Edited March 27, 2018 by JtTeE 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Keep in mind, you're still doing damage by making them rebuild those young new cities to preserve their other cities as best as possible. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsuru Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 6 hours ago, Placentica said: But had we not brought it to his attention, this would've been an entirely different war and even now, it really meant a lot of wasted nukes. With all due respect but this war wouldn't have turned out any different than it has until now except for a bit more damage. The way you write it makes it sound as if the entire outcome of the attacks by Guardian and Grumpy would've been different, had they not made use of the above mentioned strategy. I fully understand that you want to point this error in the game out and agree on that but this whole thread just screams: "I'm still angry and therefore accuse you of cheating." Your strategy was still poor and Guardian and Grumpy would've stilled blitzed you completely down. The only difference would be a bit more infrastructure damage to them. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Micchan Posted March 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2018 When you already eaten 14 nukes and you didn't know about this bug 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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