Popular Post Kastor Posted March 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2018 So whatever happens, IQ will have taken massive damage and will likely have to white peace/surrender this war, not win. So what exactly does being in IQ even do for you? Leaving and forming another sphere with others would actually help you win/take less damage. Besides beating up on micros, IQ hasn’t won a major war. Plus, listening to Roq’s logic, you all will probably be at war for 2 months to gain little to no traction. So my question is, what do you get out of being in IQ, even NPO, you get nothing out of IQ. You’ll never truly, “win” and you’ll never truly dominate another alliance. At this point I think the game is content to just beat up on you repeatedly for the next month or so, but I want to know your thought process. 17 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zoot Posted March 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2018 So, uhm, why is this in Alliance Affairs? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Hawk Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Zoot said: So, uhm, why is this in Alliance Affairs? >Kastor 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hydraik Posted March 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2018 So I'm not in IQ but I'm being attacked as if we officially were. Here's my answer the people we're allied to are our best friends in the game and we haven't had any trouble with them. They've been great pals. While most of the rest of the game seems to be consisted of mostly just idiots that we don't seem to get along very well with. Personally I don't find pointlessly memeing the same thinking for weeks on end to be well fun. I hang with the type of people who make the game fun for me. People are going to be running from server to server for the next few weeks being idiots yelling I'm Polaris and thinking themselves funny. Why would I want to be on the side of the war that is essentially super easy to win and full of idiots. Polaris - our greatest ally in this game always with us. Don't see how we could ever end that treaty or betray them. OWR - we have had nothing but great experience with them as well they're cool peeps who love trading Cerb - we had great times but allas they're now defunct Zodiac - also now defunct but they were nice and cordial BK - it's a new treaty that only happened because of the zodiac merger we'll see where it goes from there Otoh there's our enemies like TGH who only seem to want to attack alliances that they outclass on at least 6-8 cities. Yes that sounds like allot of boring fun. Wait boring fun? Why would i want that? No thanks I'll stick with my friends. 27 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheNG Posted March 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2018 Roq took my family and promised he won't hurt them if I do what he says. It's been two years, I just want to see them again and go home. *cries* Associating with IQ on the OWF makes my posts seem funny by comparison. How else am I supposed to get that? 31 1 Quote "They say the secret to success is being at the right place at the right time. But since you never know when the right time is going to be, I figure the trick is to find the right place and just hang around!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Kastor> He left and my !@#$ nation is !@#$ed up. And the Finance guy refuses to help. He just writes his !@#$ plays. <Kastor> And laughs and shit. <Kastor> And gives out !@#$ huge loans to Arthur James, that !@#$ bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackAnimal Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, hydraik said: Otoh there's our enemies like TGH who only seem to want to attack alliances that they outclass on at least 6-8 cities. Yes that sounds like allot of boring fun. Wait boring fun? Why would i want that? No thanks I'll stick with my friends. You attacked us by attacking AO, don't be discourteous when you lose. The rest of your post is fair, but lose the salt 4 2 Quote Mans two modes of existence can be thought of as his light and dark side. He is either the Protector or the Ravager. The Immovable Object or the Unstoppable Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Costello Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Isn't InQ the heros kinda. Like the EMC is the Heal? Except the world is better under EMC control? ? Quote I hold the Right to my own Fate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Queen M II Posted March 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheNG said: Roq took my family and promised he won't hurt them if I do what he says. It's been two years, I just want to see them again and go home. *cries* Associating with IQ on the OWF makes my posts seem funny by comparison. How else am I supposed to get that? I feel like no matter what happens, TheNG's humor has been a revelation (at least, to me) and has been a delightful side effect of current goings-on! Also, to Hydraik's point, IQ may not want to split (no matter how many times they get rolled) because they genuinely like each other and get along. I get the feeling they'd rather die together in friendship and loyalty, then have a shot at winning with players/alliances that do nothing but talk shit on them. You attract more with honey and all that. If you want IQ to split up, they may want to see potential allies that aren't pricks to them 24/7. Sidenote to IQ: Regardless, a bit better coordination and more aggression could do wonders... 19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prefonteen Posted March 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2018 59 minutes ago, Kastor said: So whatever happens, IQ will have taken massive damage and will likely have to white peace/surrender this war, not win. So what exactly does being in IQ even do for you? Leaving and forming another sphere with others would actually help you win/take less damage. Besides beating up on micros, IQ hasn’t won a major war. Plus, listening to Roq’s logic, you all will probably be at war for 2 months to gain little to no traction. So my question is, what do you get out of being in IQ, even NPO, you get nothing out of IQ. You’ll never truly, “win” and you’ll never truly dominate another alliance. At this point I think the game is content to just beat up on you repeatedly for the next month or so, but I want to know your thought process. Your alliance was de-facto part of IQ until Terminal Jest wrestled control in its de jure war over buorhanns ducal claim on kastor. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hydraik Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Rogue said: You attacked us by attacking AO, don't be discourteous when you lose. The rest of your post is fair, but lose the salt That's your cb? A war that happened over a month ago I think? One that happened to an alliance you were not associated with. One with an alliance in similar size that ended after like one round I want to say. Both sides barely took damage I think. I might have a few facts mixed up anyhow that's you're cb seriously? Not to mention you having a huge city advantage on us and you being #10 and we were #26 at the time of attack and you still needed 2 other alliances to attack with you? Sorry not trying to be salty here really just saying you have a cb genuinely surprised me. Edited March 22, 2018 by hydraik 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post QueenPhoenix Posted March 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2018 19 minutes ago, Queen M said: You attract more with honey and all that. If you want IQ to split up, they may want to see potential allies that aren't pricks to them 24/7. Dear God, this. A thousand times this. A million times this. 12 Quote "You must begin by gaining power over yourself; then another; then a group, an order, a world, a species, a group of species; finally, the galaxy itself." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Justin076 Posted March 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, hydraik said: That's your cb? A war that happened over a month ago I think? One that happened to an alliance you were not associated with. One with an alliance in similar size that ended after like one round I want to say. Both sides barely took damage I think. I might have a few facts mixed up anyhow that's you're cb seriously? Not to mention you having a huge city advantage on us and you being #10 and we were #26 at the time of attack and you still needed 2 other alliances to attack with you? So who's the wimps here? We didn't just attack TUE hydraik, we also attacked Polaris and OWR and eventually had sexual relations with Cerberus and a couple other small guys. You fighting three alliances and we have been fighting 3-5? Calling us wimps really? That's not a very good excuse or a way of looking at things. 1 hour ago, Queen M said: I get the feeling they'd rather die together in friendship and loyalty, then have a shot at winning with players/alliances that do nothing but talk shit on them. You attract more with honey and all that. If you want IQ to split up, they may want to see potential allies that aren't pricks to them 24/7. Several alliances have tried to build relations with IQ and give them an alternative to the status quo. TKR, TCW etc etc, however being involved in those talks, they're completely unwilling and never came into those relation building talks in good faith. They were comfortable with the status quo. EDIT: To add to the "everyone shitting on them"... IQ has held their position for 10 months now, they've completely flushed their potential power and influence down the toilet. They sitting around doing nothing has helped lead to an almost entire year of stagnation in this game. Many alliances and the member base of this game has overtime developed negative feelings for IQ simply because of their unwillingness to help change the game and for their help in stagnating the game. They brought it on themselves. This war and the hate they're getting was inevitable. Edited March 22, 2018 by Justin076 14 2 Quote Chief Financial Officer of The Syndicate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonK Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, hydraik said: That's your cb? A war that happened over a month ago I think? One that happened to an alliance you were not associated with. One with an alliance in similar size that ended after like one round I want to say. Both sides barely took damage I think. I might have a few facts mixed up anyhow that's you're cb seriously? Not to mention you having a huge city advantage on us and you being #10 and we were #26 at the time of attack and you still needed 2 other alliances to attack with you? Sorry not trying to be salty here really just saying you have a cb genuinely surprised me. Welp. Don't know about others. But I was told I get to yell people and war. They got me with that. I'm a simple man liking simple things like wars. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, hydraik said: Otoh there's our enemies like TGH who only seem to want to attack alliances that they outclass on at least 6-8 cities. Yes that sounds like allot of boring fun. Wait boring fun? Why would i want that? No thanks I'll stick with my friends. Or perhaps we're hitting alliances that sit behind the treaty web and only exist as a name when it comes to it. Trust me, the city count had nothing to do with this decision. Sidenote: The one time I considered you folks as IQ, I was immediately corrected~ Edited March 22, 2018 by Buorhann 2 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hydraik Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Justin076 said: We didn't just attack TUE hydraik, we also attacked Polaris and OWR and eventually had sexual relations with Cerberus and a couple other small guys. You fighting three alliances and we have been fighting 3-5? Calling us wimps really? That's not a very good excuse or a way of looking at things. The wimps thing was a little hot headed and I immediately edited it after posting. But you only attacked alliances that had nobody that could touch your top 50-30% including yourself. And you had other alliances join in with mid tiers to control the rest. 19 minutes ago, Justin076 said: Several alliances have tried to build relations with IQ and give them an alternative to the status quo. TKR, TCW etc etc, however being involved in those talks, they're completely unwilling and never came into those relation building talks in good faith. They were comfortable with the status quo. Sounds like you're talking about a minority and assuming it for the majority tbh. 13 minutes ago, Buorhann said: Or perhaps we're hitting alliances that sit behind the treaty web and only exist as a name when it comes to it. Trust me, the city count had nothing to do with this decision, Sidenote: The one time I considered you folks as IQ, I was immediately corrected~ Yes we have been perhaps too slow to come to war but it's not that we were afraid of it or purposefully trying to sit it out. We just haven't seen the opportunity. I actually am somewhat glad to be in this war just seems distasteful when i see 3 20+ city nation's filling everyone's slots above 10 cities. If it was even just iom and rw vs just TUE I think everyone involved would be having allot more fun. Edited March 22, 2018 by hydraik 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Settra Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 19 minutes ago, hydraik said: That's your cb? A war that happened over a month ago I think? One that happened to an alliance you were not associated with. One with an alliance in similar size that ended after like one round I want to say. Both sides barely took damage I think. I might have a few facts mixed up anyhow that's you're cb seriously? Not to mention you having a huge city advantage on us and you being #10 and we were #26 at the time of attack and you still needed 2 other alliances to attack with you? Sorry not trying to be salty here really just saying you have a cb genuinely surprised me. If you mean something that happened 2 weeks ago sure, it happened a few days before the war. Looks like a good CB to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 59 minutes ago, hydraik said: So I'm not in IQ but I'm being attacked as if we officially were. Here's my answer the people we're allied to are our best friends in the game and we haven't had any trouble with them. They've been great pals. While most of the rest of the game seems to be consisted of mostly just idiots that we don't seem to get along very well with. Personally I don't find pointlessly memeing the same thinking for weeks on end to be well fun. I hang with the type of people who make the game fun for me. People are going to be running from server to server for the next few weeks being idiots yelling I'm Polaris and thinking themselves funny. Why would I want to be on the side of the war that is essentially super easy to win and full of idiots. Polaris - our greatest ally in this game always with us. Don't see how we could ever end that treaty or betray them. OWR - we have had nothing but great experience with them as well they're cool peeps who love trading Cerb - we had great times but allas they're now defunct Zodiac - also now defunct but they were nice and cordial BK - it's a new treaty that only happened because of the zodiac merger we'll see where it goes from there Otoh there's our enemies like TGH who only seem to want to attack alliances that they outclass on at least 6-8 cities. Yes that sounds like allot of boring fun. Wait boring fun? Why would i want that? No thanks I'll stick with my friends. Have you, yourselves, tried though? My time here is short, but between a wiki and these past threads, i can learn much. What i have learned, tells me that past enemies have come to your side as potential friends before, from what i can tell - they did not behave in the ways you find such an annoyance - yet they were turned away. It is easy, to demand change in others to fit your need. To actually force that change, is most often near impossible. To change yourself however, to better fit and find what you look for, is a task neither simple, nor in-conquerable. You don't need to side with people you despise just for a change, if you want change, if you want to have more friends, if you want to be on a side - any side - which isn't betting victory on some long odds stakes you see in anime, the world is not devoid of opportunity. You need only wish to seek it. I would suggest doing so, as great as fun as your friends are, not many will play a game they always seem to lose, two allies of yours have past in part to reasons like this. To find new friends, and play a game which you can now win, is surely a better option than this. Sure, perhaps instances, like TKR which someone has mentioned, did not approach you personally. But it is evident they seek change, it is evident, that you may benefit from some. No time like the present, to give a try, you can tread water only so long, before you drown. It is time to swim. Best of luck to you, especially in dealing with the Mongols here. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hydraik Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Robert E Lee said: If you mean something that happened 2 weeks ago sure, it happened a few days before the war. Looks like a good CB to me. Hmm seems you're right 3/12 thought it was longer ago i dunno i didn't really get a chance to participate doesn't even look like the first round finished. 1 minute ago, Lairah said: Have you, yourselves, tried though? Yes we have a few occasions most of our tries with others seem to spontaneously fail. We don't seek to rule anyone out. One of my favorite treaties was Entiti Rorupei who was in the EMC sphere but they spontaneously combusted. I don't think we're actively pursuing any new friends right this moment especially since we're in the middle of a war. But we don't seek for treaties purely with those currently connected to IQ. Can't speak for everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dio Brando Posted March 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, Prefonteen said: Your alliance was de-facto part of IQ until Terminal Jest wrestled control in its de jure war over buorhanns ducal claim on kastor. Someone's been playing too much CKII... To address the questions: 1 hour ago, Kastor said: So whatever happens, IQ will have taken massive damage and will likely have to white peace/surrender this war, not win. I'm sure IQ realizes this. I am also sure IQ would like to punch its opponents back as they fall. I expected you of all people to understand this, but maybe that's just me. 1 hour ago, Kastor said: So what exactly does being in IQ even do for you? Within the course of the past two months or so, this question has been brought up in front of me countless times; voice chats, Discord servers, on the forums, and offsite fora. Let's tackle this: As a prelude (and necessity to cover all bases) let's begin by seeing how this war began, and what followed, sounds fair, right? Last Sunday, logs about KT, AIM, SK and unnamed others planning on hitting IQ were leaked. Around 12 hours from that point, IQ declared pre-emptively. Whether that was a good choice is open for debate. I digress. Following that declaration, at the following update, mass "counters"* and declarations of war were posted against Inquisition, and its outside (of the bloc) ties. You may see them if you open up Alliance Affairs, should not be hard to miss. Lets first go over this "defensive" action. A coalition of alliances (let's not pretend as if it is anything but) opened war against Inquisition, and its ties, over their declaration on Knights Templar. Why? For reasons they are yet to disclose, if anyone on the OWF cares, that is. Let's go over this again. Alliances that had nothing to do with KT declared war on Inquisition over a war that was started in spite of them having a solid casus belli. I am sure to some of you belligerents, it is an alien concept, but this time, IQ did have a CB, and a very valid one at that. That was trashed at the following update due to an amalgamation of reasons that should not be hard to miss if you are to talk to the more outspoken of the coalition's members. Does this not strike you as odd? That alliances with no real ties to KT jump upon IQ when they declare as they have the right to. Lets consider the post right above my own, by Justin. It implies that part of the CB was IQ's unwillingness to shift the status quo. Thus it does not become, not wholly at least, a matter of the KT war, but of external powers and political entities wishing to influence Pacifica's Foreign Affairs, and the direction they take. It is quite clear, any alliance that believes they could bully Inquisition et al., will find that Pacifica and allies are not docile, and are willing to bite back. Let's move on. You have a status quo where IQ, if it disbands, will be left with parties that have been alienated repeatedly. I'm sure some of the more louder members of your coalition will come up here and talk about how that would not come to pass if IQ did dissolve, that they would be willing to treaty and dance with the parties in IQ. Have you at any given time considered that treaties are a two-way street? I have seen several members (shitposting, as they were) discussing TKR's former FA head opting to pick a direction its membership (TKR's) was not comfortable. I will not support or go against that statement, for my knowledge is incomplete on that regard. Let's consider IQ now. You have alienated, and pushed into a corner IQ through this war. If they dissolve, where do they go, friend? To you? Do they forget this war that they had a legitimate right to participate in? Then, let's consider the issue of "Secret treaties". A large part of the OWF a few months back was discussing how the remnants of what was once EMC had secret ties with each other, and that if IQ were to push for offensive maneuvers, they would counter. Exactly that has come to pass. "But Dio, there's only like one EMC alliance participating in here." Yes, Rose is there, and so are other alliances that are connected to them, and several prominent members of EMC in alliances fighting against IQ. You single-handedly shot down a narrative that was espoused by your members. Congratulations. Then, how do you claim to dictate IQ's policy on who it aligns with, politically or ideologically? Let's move on. 1 hour ago, Kastor said: Leaving and forming another sphere with others would actually help you win/take less damage. Okay. You're wrong, but I'll bite. If they leave IQ right now, they will be left as remnants of a bloc alienated by other parties through this war, with little to no accumulation of political capital. Not sure what you expect them to do. I also suggest you search up on what gameplay antagonism is. It will help you through these times. In-fact, I will post what gameplay antagonism is, just for you, baby. 1 hour ago, Kastor said: Besides beating up on micros, IQ hasn’t won a major war. Rather than breaking them apart, that has brought them together. Admirable. 1 hour ago, Kastor said: Plus, listening to Roq’s logic, you all will probably be at war for 2 months to gain little to no traction. Someday, you might actually want to talk to people from IQ. You will find they are not 'RoqBots'. You will find that they have a mind of their own, and are not as impressionable as the children you seem to perceive them as. Till then, the drivel that escapes your mouth is just that: drivel that is irrelevant, and will remain irrelevant. 1 hour ago, Kastor said: So my question is, what do you get out of being in IQ, even NPO, you get nothing out of IQ. Here, you ask a question, and then answer it yourself. Has no one ever told you to not go into debates with preconceived notions of being correct? 1 hour ago, Kastor said: You’ll never truly, “win” and you’ll never truly dominate another alliance. As long as you believe you are irrelevant, and you can not win, you will not win. Something to consider. 1 hour ago, Kastor said: At this point I think the game is content to just beat up on you repeatedly for the next month or so, but I want to know your thought process. I think you literally answered your question by this statement. It is exactly because, not in spite of the fact that the game seems to be content with beating up IQ that they are sticking together. -- I bit the bait. Shouldn't have considering this is a Kastor thread, but maybe it's just me that enjoys wasting time writing walls of text. Cheers! 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, hydraik said: Hmm seems you're right 3/12 thought it was longer ago i dunno i didn't really get a chance to participate doesn't even look like the first round finished. Yes we have a few occasions most of our tries with others seem to spontaneously fail. We don't seek to rule anyone out. One of my favorite treaties was Entiti Rorupei who was in the EMC sphere but they spontaneously combusted. I don't think we're actively pursuing any new friends right this moment especially since we're in the middle of a war. But we don't seek for treaties purely with those currently connected to IQ. Can't speak for everyone else. It is good to have made some progress, even if it had to fade quickly. I suppose it would be some time then before it ends, be sure to never close your mind to the possibilities, and remind old friends and old enemies of the same. This is strange, i feel almost like Iroh now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cheedows Posted March 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2018 After seeing this post I've seen the error of my ways. My past 3 years at BK have been misguided, shortly after this post I will leave and join the exalted alliances that Kastor promotes. Thank you Kastor, for showing me the true meaning of this game that I've been blind to all this time. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStrum Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dio Brando said: Then, let's consider the issue of "Secret treaties". A large part of the OWF a few months back was discussing how the remnants of what was once EMC had secret ties with each other, and that if IQ were to push for offensive maneuvers, they would counter. Exactly that has come to pass. Secret treaties is the dumbest thing I think I've heard in a long while. The entire point of paperless agreements (which I doubt people actually have, but I'll humour the point) is that you can walk in and change their mind with a concerted effort. Instead, TI keeps saying "oh they're still together" to hide the fact that they don't want to put the work in, which forces everyone else to work together lest they be picked off one by one. Sounds like a typical self-fulfilling prophecy to me. 1 minute ago, Cheedows said: After seeing this post I've seen the error of my ways. My past 3 years at BK have been misguided, shortly after this post I will leave and join the exalted alliances that Kastor promotes. Thank you Kastor, for showing me the true meaning of this game that I've been blind to all this time. cheedows meet mmr tf you doing being active Edited March 22, 2018 by LordStrum 3 Quote On 3/16/2016 at 9:54 PM, Lykos said: Our next move is obviously rolling LordStrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dio Brando Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just now, LordStrum said: Secret treaties is the dumbest thing I think I've heard in a long while. The entire point of paperless agreements is that you can walk in and change their mind with a concerted effort (which I doubt people actually have, but I'll humour the point). Instead, TI keeps saying "oh they're still together" to hide the fact that they don't want to put the work in, which forces everyone else to work together lest they be picked off one by one. Sounds like a typical self-fulfilling prophecy to me. Didn't claim they were right in the first portion. I was one of the more outspoken ones against the whole "secret treaties" narrative in the beginning. This war just defeats that narrative. On the "pick you off one by one" part: it was stated repeatedly that IQ has not done anything, and has not been willing to do anything. How do you mesh that stance, with the stance that IQ will suddenly become competent and pick off alliances one by one? Then, you have this war. If the idea was to show IQ that the world was not banded together against them, was forming a coalition against them the way to prove that? Ask these questions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tiber Posted March 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2018 We do it for the memes. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStrum Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dio Brando said: Didn't claim they were right in the first portion. I was one of the more outspoken ones against the whole "secret treaties" narrative in the beginning. This war just defeats that narrative. On the "pick you off one by one" part: it was stated repeatedly that IQ has not done anything, and has not been willing to do anything. How do you mesh that stance, with the stance that IQ will suddenly become competent and pick off alliances one by one? Then, you have this war. If the idea was to show IQ that the world was not banded together against them, was forming a coalition against them the way to prove that? Ask these questions. Wasn't trying to say you were claiming that, just wanted to get that off my chest tbh. This is probably the first time it has come up, so figured I'd put it down for the record. 1 minute ago, Tiber said: We do it for the memes. at least you still know what's up 3 Quote On 3/16/2016 at 9:54 PM, Lykos said: Our next move is obviously rolling LordStrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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