Justin076 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Maverick0984 said: Not to be a pain but Fark's infra losses seem quite a bit off. Just using the stat tracker it should be half what you are claiming. Also, the 11B you state is higher than the value we started with. Fark is not rebuying infra. Not trying to be a dick, is there something I am missing as it doesn't make sense on 2 levels as is. Quote Chief Financial Officer of The Syndicate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick0984 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Justin076 said: That's cute and all but I am literally basing my question off of the P&W stat tracker. Not making stuff up. The spreadsheet itself doesn't make sense as it claims we have lost more infra that we had ? Edited March 31, 2018 by Maverick0984 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Maverick0984 said: Not to be a pain but Fark's infra losses seem quite a bit off. Just using the stat tracker it should be half what you are claiming. Also, the 11B you state is higher than the value we started with. Fark is not rebuying infra. Not trying to be a dick, is there something I am missing as it doesn't make sense on 2 levels as is. The stat tracker also says you used 9,999,999.99 alum yesterday, we all know the stat tracker is always super wrong I agree that 11B is a bit too much, I would say something like 8-9B, but could be Edited April 1, 2018 by Micchan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apeman Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Leave it to fark to somehow manage to spend exactly that much down to the .99! It can't be broken. Fark just that awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 39 minutes ago, Micchan said: The stat tracker also says you used 9,999,999.99 alum yesterday, we all know the stat tracker is always super wrong I agree that 11B is a bit too much, I would say something like 8-9B, but could be The stat tracker has always been accurate on infra cost. The others it's been sketchy on but yeah. The infra damage is half of what Frawley is saying it is. Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 As far as I know Frawley used his own formula rather than the stat tracker for determining the infra costs. Idk what it is though, it does seem a bit off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Just now, Sketchy said: As far as I know Frawley used his own formula rather than the stat tracker for determining the infra costs. Idk what it is though, it does seem a bit off. Fark is half of ifnra damage lost Alpha is 4 bil less than displayed Frawley's stats are also showing a few bil more damage dealt to EMC than has actually been dealt. Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apeman Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Yeah and they really kicking my ass bad. This says I've done more than recieved. Must be way off. I think the stat tracker is broken Help sheepy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick0984 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Micchan said: The stat tracker also says you used 9,999,999.99 alum yesterday, we all know the stat tracker is always super wrong I agree that 11B is a bit too much, I would say something like 8-9B, but could be 8-9B in damage dealt maybe. Here you go: Fark Total Value of Infrastructure Destroyed: 8,404,463,538.40 Value of Infrastructure Lost: 5,806,877,978.75 43 minutes ago, Sketchy said: As far as I know Frawley used his own formula rather than the stat tracker for determining the infra costs. Idk what it is though, it does seem a bit off. TBH, even if he used his own formula, it should be consistent throughout, and thus, relatively accurate AA to AA. When he has us losing more than we had to begin with though...hopefully he just forgot to carry a 1 somewhere. Edited April 1, 2018 by Maverick0984 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frawley Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I'm going to have a look at my formula now, and perhaps try something a bit different. For reference I described how my infra formula worked a few pages ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frawley Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 https://politicsandwar.com/index.php?id=132&name=Stangerites&type=nation&date=2018-03-30&submit=Go tbh, I suspect my numbers are better than the stat trackers, there is no way this is true... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frawley Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Maverick0984 said: That's cute and all but I am literally basing my question off of the P&W stat tracker. Not making stuff up. The spreadsheet itself doesn't make sense as it claims we have lost more infra that we had ? I'm not sure what you mean, the spreadsheet says you have lost 548,500 infra. On the 17th of March you had according to the stat tracker. Infrastructure: 1,268,797.40 How has more been lost than you started with? For reference the Stat Tracker for yesterday says: 608,996.50 that plus your losses (I don't have all of them in there yet for the last 36 hours) = 1,157,496.5 which is not that far off what you had when the war started. Edited April 1, 2018 by Frawley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Did anybody rebuy Infra? Heh. Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughnuts Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, Frawley said: Tomorrow planning on doing a major refresh, will remove all AA's no longer participating and hopefully have AA v AA numbers for you all. So let me see if i understand this. You set steel at 5k and Alu at 3k, I do not know about your Side but not many of us have had to buy steel during this war so its not cost us 5k/3k ppu i know that much, this seems to be your way of buffing your damage done in terms of cost, kind of silly and cheap trick really. Now for your infra costs BK lost 1,029,269 infra at a cost of 12,641,678,492 = on avg 12,282 for each infra level NPO lost 1,018,951 infra at a cost of 5,961,488,168 = on avg 5,850 for each infra level BC lost 191,317 infra at a cost of 5,450,038,707 = on avg 28,486 for each infra level ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Really?, I mean most of our nations had the same infra levels as most of yours 1500 to 2000 in each city but it seems our infra levels cost us six times more than it cost NPO, even poor BK has to pay over twice the cost of infra as NPO?. would love to know how you worked out infra costs really i would. **** Thank you for your hard work in posting the states, just when i see things like the above it just makes me think you are changing the infra cost and such to look better for your side like a pr display. Edited April 1, 2018 by MoonShadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryleh Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 28 minutes ago, MoonShadow said: So let me see if i understand this. You set steel at 5k and Alu at 3k, I do not know about your Side but not many of us have had to buy steel during this war so its not cost us 5k/3k ppu i know that much, this seems to be your way of buffing your damage done in terms of cost, kind of silly and cheap trick really. Now for your infra costs BK lost 1,029,269 infra at a cost of 12,641,678,492 = on avg 12,282 for each infra level NPO lost 1,018,951 infra at a cost of 5,961,488,168 = on avg 5,850 for each infra level BC lost 191,317 infra at a cost of 5,450,038,707 = on avg 28,486 for each infra level ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Really?, I mean most of our nations had the same infra levels as most of yours 1500 to 2000 in each city but it seems our infra levels cost us six times more than it cost NPO, even poor BK has to pay over twice the cost of infra as NPO?. would love to know how you worked out infra costs really i would. **** Thank you for your hard work in posting the states, just when i see things like the above it just makes me think you are changing the infra cost and such to look better for your side like a pr display. Lose infra one time, rebuy back up to 700, lose it again. That's how it'd be pushed down so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughnuts Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 30 minutes ago, Ryleh said: Lose infra one time, rebuy back up to 700, lose it again. That's how it'd be pushed down so much. So he adds the amount of infra lost, but not the cost for infra below 700, guess that's one way to high the cost, sure 700 infra from level 10 is only 624k but then do that over what 100 nations of NPO are under 1k infra, that still works out at at 62.4m and if they are having to do this every day thats what 875m over 14 days? dont know, i think if your going to add a cost then add the cost, dont cheery pick the range that better fits what you want people to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick0984 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, MoonShadow said: So he adds the amount of infra lost, but not the cost for infra below 700, guess that's one way to high the cost, sure 700 infra from level 10 is only 624k but then do that over what 100 nations of NPO are under 1k infra, that still works out at at 62.4m and if they are having to do this every day thats what 875m over 14 days? dont know, i think if your going to add a cost then add the cost, dont cheery pick the range that better fits what you want people to believe. I get the limits to an extent. Hitting the API for this purpose is imperfect in the best of cases. He isn't just arbitrarily not including it. To be as accurate as possible, he would need to update the sample rate to at least once an hour and that's not very feasible. Or the War API specifically would need to just include more information. I'd much rather Sheepy offloaded to a replica read only DB that developers were able to access for stats/reporting. If Sheepy doesn't want to take the time for stats, fine, but let the users. The API isn't enough for overall stats. I understand this is a pipe dream though. I am not trying to call anyone out here, I just want accurate data for now and the future. Edited April 1, 2018 by Maverick0984 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick0984 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 9 hours ago, Frawley said: I'm not sure what you mean, the spreadsheet says you have lost 548,500 infra. On the 17th of March you had according to the stat tracker. Infrastructure: 1,268,797.40 How has more been lost than you started with? For reference the Stat Tracker for yesterday says: 608,996.50 that plus your losses (I don't have all of them in there yet for the last 36 hours) = 1,157,496.5 which is not that far off what you had when the war started. Was talking $ value, sorry, not quantity. I can pull our stuff after Easter, etc, to show what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughnuts Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Maverick0984 said: I get the limits to an extent. Hitting the API for this purpose is imperfect in the best of cases. He isn't just arbitrarily not including it. To be as accurate as possible, he would need to update the sample rate to at least once an hour and that's not very feasible. Or the War API specifically would need to just include more information. I'd much rather Sheepy offloaded to a replica read only DB that developers were able to access for stats/reporting. If Sheepy doesn't want to take the time for stats, fine, but let the users. The API isn't enough for overall stats. I understand this is a pipe dream though. I am not trying to call anyone out here, I just want accurate data for now and the future. i would love to see accurate data, the things that bug me are things such as placing the price of steel at 5k ppu, he did this as it would make those winning look worst off, but i can tell you this much my alliance has not had to buy steel and it damn well has not cost us 5000 ppu, so to use that in order to make out total damage done look bad is laughable to those who know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheedows Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Yes, the stats are making those winning look worse off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Titan Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Cheedows said: Yes, the stats are making those winning look worse off. BC is totally winning their fights! Its only cause tanks they are negative stupid. Edited April 1, 2018 by LeotheGreat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNG Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, LeotheGreat said: BC is totally winning their fights! Its only cause tanks they are negative stupid. Leo, you really need to control your bloc-mates. Fixing the stats to make themselves look good is a pretty heinous offense. Think of all the poor people who totally didn't buy tons of steel on the market no sir whose wars are totally ruined because NPO cooked the books! Edited April 2, 2018 by TheNG 3 Quote "They say the secret to success is being at the right place at the right time. But since you never know when the right time is going to be, I figure the trick is to find the right place and just hang around!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Kastor> He left and my !@#$ nation is !@#$ed up. And the Finance guy refuses to help. He just writes his !@#$ plays. <Kastor> And laughs and shit. <Kastor> And gives out !@#$ huge loans to Arthur James, that !@#$ bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frawley Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 8 hours ago, MoonShadow said: i would love to see accurate data, the things that bug me are things such as placing the price of steel at 5k ppu, he did this as it would make those winning look worst off, but i can tell you this much my alliance has not had to buy steel and it damn well has not cost us 5000 ppu, so to use that in order to make out total damage done look bad is laughable to those who know. I set it at 500 under the market price on the day I started publishing stats, that is literally it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughnuts Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Frawley said: I set it at 500 under the market price on the day I started publishing stats, that is literally it. As i said its a false price, you stated posting them what a week to ten days after the war had started and the price of steel went up massively, I wonder what the stats would look like if you set the price of steel to its market price before the war, about 3700 ppu, as most on the non IQ side ive not see buy tons and tons of steel, so the steel we are using did not cost 5000 ppu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frawley Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, MoonShadow said: As i said its a false price, you stated posting them what a week to ten days after the war had started and the price of steel went up massively, I wonder what the stats would look like if you set the price of steel to its market price before the war, about 3700 ppu, as most on the non IQ side ive not see buy tons and tons of steel, so the steel we are using did not cost 5000 ppu? 4 days after the war started, and I opened with the line. 'Clear ass kicker here is Rose' - If you don't like the stats do your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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