Pheonix Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Who Me said: Why bother? We know that the other side is going to be salty and shit all over anything we do. So we just let them post about it and have their own little circle jerk. That is all they are good for these days anyway. It's truly is a circle jerk, 90% of posts on the OWF are just ripping on IQ and being salty. I IQ said a quarter of the stuff the other side said, all hell would break loose Edited March 9, 2018 by Pheonix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReaverAxis Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Zoot said: ...and how does not announcing it help? Do you think they thought the world just wouldn't notice? Apparently they didn't think their ally would notice either. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 I thought ayyy lmao died in 2017. I miss you shifty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Mad Max said: I thought ayyy lmao died in 2017. I miss you shifty. Dude, I'm right here. Ayy lmao died when Shifty died inside. Now BK has died, so Shifty has been reborn. There must be balance to the force. Edited March 10, 2018 by ϟħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, ϟħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ said: Dude, I'm right here. Ayy lmao died when Shifty died inside. Now BK has died, so Shifty has been reborn. There must be balance to the force. wow that actually made sense. #approved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Pheonix said: It's truly is a circle jerk, 90% of posts on the OWF are just ripping on IQ and being salty. I IQ said a quarter of the stuff the other side said, all hell would break loose Maybe you should say those things. Maybe you should stand up for yourselves instead of complaining. It seems to me that IQ's problem (or one of them) is that you commit actions that lead to the same result (consolidation) over and over again, expecting a different response by the community every time. And when you don't get a different response, you whine about how the OWF is always salty and against you. If avoiding that kind of response is really something that's important to you, commit to actual tangible change and give people a reason to change their minds. Edited March 10, 2018 by Big Brother 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prefonteen Posted March 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, Who Me said: Why bother? We know that the other side is going to be salty and shit all over anything we do. So we just let them post about it and have their own little circle jerk. That is all they are good for these days anyway. 18 hours ago, Pheonix said: It's truly is a circle jerk, 90% of posts on the OWF are just ripping on IQ and being salty. I IQ said a quarter of the stuff the other side said, all hell would break loose Uhhhh.... the nature of the OWF has always been the exact same as it is now: It's argumentative and includes a high amount of frickery and trolling. Back when it suited you, your alliance happily indulged and rode the (OWF) bandwagon alongside Syndisphere. You were also probably one of the *least* constructive out of syndisphere majors where posting style was concerned. An argument could be made for Mensa, but they actually engaged in (both mechanical and political) debate, rather than just meme-ing ;). But now.... anything that resembles criticism or a meme constitutes an "evil coordinated OWF circlejerk against you which can not be broken and which must be disengaged!" The truth is, dear ex-allies... You have become lazy. Your FA moves are lazy (consolidation). Your PR efforts are nonexistent, and frankly, you've become boring both to play with, or against. You've uhhh... deliberately taken your own user-generated content out of a game which thrives on user-generated content, and now you are whining about other people's user-generated content. What do you want? For everyone to just sit around without any strife or arguments whatsoever, building cities and congratulating one another on the next ultimately irrelevant treaty? You're right that the majority of the OWF is ripping on IQ. Why? Because your "side" constitutes approximately half the active player base of the game and you've actively disengaged from the OWF. That means that the "pro-IQ" demographic is mute. The majority who do post, don't really engage as much as whine about how everyone is against them. Provided the above.... you're left with just what you call the "anti-IQ" and the independents. Given that IQ gives no PR sound or effort on its own, "anti-IQ" rhetoric wins out. It's of your own design. It's consequence, not cause. So take your victim mentality and stick it :P. Edited March 10, 2018 by Partisan 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buorhann Posted March 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Pheonix said: It's truly is a circle jerk, 90% of posts on the OWF are just ripping on IQ and being salty. I IQ said a quarter of the stuff the other side said, all hell would break loose False, at least recently. Some of it has been on TKR as well, some on NB, and some on IQ. In fact, I'd argue that TKR has caught more flak recently than anyone else. Any time @Lordship or @Smith is in a public VC, they're always being questioned as NPO's besties and teased about it. Even @Kayser avoids public VC more now than he did before. OWF is "toxic" in the sense that if someone does something stupid, there will be people bandwagoning on to criticize it. (Recent example: SGM and AO) People love drama, they come here to read drama and/or participate in it. No one likes it when people or alliances play the victim after they make a dumb mistake. IQ aligned alliances have a tendency to do this (And still do). What do I mean by that? Well, instead of ignoring the criticism (Or explaining the motive) - you have posts like your reply, for example. "It's a circle jerk" As @Partisan pointed out, BK was once an alliance to participate in these kind of shenanigans while they were with Syndisphere. Since they've gone through a leadership change and went to IQ, however, their identity drastically shifted. They were no longer the fun meme-posting goofy non-caring alliance they once were. You guys became just as reclusive as NPO has been. Why? Because you made some stupid mistakes and got called out for it, constantly, but instead of either moving on past it or discussing the details - you played the victim card. An example of this would be telling Partisan to apologize directly on the BK boards just so the members could read it, since most avoid the OWF. Or telling your previous allies that in less than 12 hours "Oh hey, we're joining NPO to form IQ". Or constantly bickering about resources despite sitting on a stockpile 9+ months in time. Or just simply not doing any thing remotely FA wise because you have a Supremacy Clause in your bloc treaty, therefore you can't explore other alternatives (You can, but let's be real...). Or keeping the same boring leadership that got you in this spot to begin with. Or continuing to try and use the same identity that Shifty established back during Strum/Yoso's lead, yet not knowing how to use the charm of it (At least @Seeker had the sense to rebrand VE to GoG when that alliance changed their identity). I could go on and on with it. In any case, to simplify this, if you show that people get under your skin with replies like yours - others will exploit that. Like I told Kayser during the whole chewing out of TKR's FA stint, you guys know what you want to do - ignore the critics and move on with your own goals. Edited March 10, 2018 by Buorhann 16 Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 13 hours ago, Pheonix said: It's truly is a circle jerk, 90% of posts on the OWF are just ripping on IQ and being salty. I IQ said a quarter of the stuff the other side said, all hell would break loose Who do you think is behind it? Just look at the post above. Open your eyes fam. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LordStrum Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Partisan said: You were also probably one of the *least* constructive out of syndisphere majors where posting style was concerned. An argument could be made for Mensa, but they actually engaged in (both mechanical and political) debate, rather than just meme-ing ;). come on, we only memed 99% of the time we were serious every blue moon 3 On 3/16/2016 at 9:54 PM, Lykos said: Our next move is obviously rolling LordStrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dio Brando Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 34 minutes ago, LordStrum said: blue moon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holton Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Partisan said: Uhhhh.... the nature of the OWF has always been the exact same as it is now: It's argumentative and includes a high amount of frickery and trolling. Back when it suited you, your alliance happily indulged and rode the (OWF) bandwagon alongside Syndisphere. You were also probably one of the *least* constructive out of syndisphere majors where posting style was concerned. An argument could be made for Mensa, but they actually engaged in (both mechanical and political) debate, rather than just meme-ing ;). But now.... anything that resembles criticism or a meme constitutes an "evil coordinated OWF circlejerk against you which can not be broken and which must be disengaged!" The truth is, dear ex-allies... You have become lazy. Your FA moves are lazy (consolidation). Your PR efforts are nonexistent, and frankly, you've become boring both to play with, or against. You've uhhh... deliberately taken your own user-generated content out of a game which thrives on user-generated content, and now you are whining about other people's user-generated content. What do you want? For everyone to just sit around without any strife or arguments whatsoever, building cities and congratulating one another on the next ultimately irrelevant treaty? You're right that the majority of the OWF is ripping on IQ. Why? Because your "side" constitutes approximately half the active player base of the game and you've actively disengaged from the OWF. That means that the "pro-IQ" demographic is mute. The majortiy who do post, don't really engage as much as whine about how everyone is against them. Provided the above.... you're left with just what you call the "anti-IQ" and the independents. Given that IQ gives no PR sound or effort on its own, "anti-IQ" rhetoric wins out. It's of your own design. It's consequence, not cause. So take your victim mentality and stick it :P. I would still contend that most of IQ is a shade. The "we aren't going to engage you" thing is a smokescreen for the true inactivity of most of their players. I'm glad BK and Zodiac merged. That was a good move. Consolidating active players is what this game needs to create some competitive alliances. Edited March 10, 2018 by Holton Superbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Holton said: I would still contend that most of IQ is a shade. The "we aren't going to engage you" thing is a smokescreen for the true inactivity of most of their players. I'm glad BK and Zodiac merged. That was a good move. Consolidating active players is what this game needs to create some competitive alliances. Per information I received, I'd agree with the first point - but then again... 9+ months of inactivity. The latter point I disagree. I think we're realizing that some alliance leadership's can't handle large memberships while remaining interesting in the game. Afterall, the inactivity of members in those alliances declined for a reason. 1 Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holton Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Buorhann said: Per information I received, I'd agree with the first point - but then again... 9+ months of inactivity. The latter point I disagree. I think we're realizing that some alliance leadership's can't handle large memberships while remaining interesting in the game. Afterall, the inactivity of members in those alliances declined for a reason. Yes and no. The Chola, moving into Zodiac, has been around for awhile. Community-wise I would say Zodiac is doing a much better job than BK, but mechanically BK seems to perform better in a fight. I think as you said, BK's leadership is struggling to maintain their own community right now. The influx of more people to help manage it might help them. Basically, because of how alliances are structured, there is and can only ever be a 1% of people that "matter". ie - the management team. The leadership is what matters. So therefore, the concentration of leadership and their chemistry are what matters the most. It's why every alliance that exists is boring right now. There's one or two people who are too busy trying to stay alive to actually thrive. I believe there is a third way, as Arrgh aptly demonstrates, but c'est la vie. Hopefully they can swing a best-of-both scenario because Partisan is right. Regardless of what side you're on, IQ is *boring* in its current state. They're not having fun, we're not having fun, even Fraggle is losing interest. 3 Superbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Holton said: Yes and no. The Chola, moving into Zodiac, has been around for awhile. Community-wise I would say Zodiac is doing a much better job than BK, but mechanically BK seems to perform better in a fight. I think as you said, BK's leadership is struggling to maintain their own community right now. The influx of more people to help manage it might help them. Basically, because of how alliances are structured, there is and can only ever be a 1% of people that "matter". ie - the management team. The leadership is what matters. So therefore, the concentration of leadership and their chemistry are what matters the most. It's why every alliance that exists is boring right now. There's one or two people who are too busy trying to stay alive to actually thrive. I believe there is a third way, as Arrgh aptly demonstrates, but c'est la vie. Hopefully they can swing a best-of-both scenario because Partisan is right. Regardless of what side you're on, IQ is *boring* in its current state. They're not having fun, we're not having fun, even Fraggle is losing interest. Adding community dynamics and chemistry: I think it's also we're getting older, not younger. There's an OoC component where we're busier. Back in the day, I could meme 25/7, find an extra hour to post. Same with our BK gov then. Now everyone has gone off to do other things. The younger people here aren't necessarily that competent nor interested I'd say. That then translates to: "I'm not coming back to spend my one free hour a day to this shitfest of players." t. Prefontaine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen M II Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Buorhann said: OWF is "toxic" in the sense that if someone does something stupid, there will be people bandwagoning on to criticize it. (Recent example: SGM and AO) People love drama, they come here to read drama and/or participate in it. Can confirm.^^^ Drive by shade if I ever saw it, @Buorhann Can't even be mad at it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 34 minutes ago, Queen M said: Can confirm.^^^ Drive by shade if I ever saw it, @Buorhann Can't even be mad at it. No shade. All you have to do is read the threads regarding it and see from the reactions of people who replied there. People thrive on that sort of drama stuff. Always have been, always will. It's what makes this game interesting while also frustrating. 2 Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 IQ members and leaders should indeed be more active on the forums. I've done my share of IQ ripping too, but there would be so much more fun to be had by everyone if the IQ side flug shit back at me and others. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Thalmor said: IQ members and leaders should indeed be more active on the forums. I've done my share of IQ ripping too, but there would be so much more fun to be had by everyone if the IQ side flug shit back at me and others. How about KT do a real war already? 5 Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, Buorhann said: How about KT do a real war already? See? This is what I mean. ^^^ As for your question, Buorhann, you should ask Theo or Keegoz. Last time I touched FA I almost got us rolled like 4 times. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Thalmor said: See? This is what I mean. ^^^ As for your question, Buorhann, you should ask Theo or Keegoz. Last time I touched FA I almost got us rolled like 4 times. You had a little help, don't lie :^) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betulius Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Thalmor said: Last time I touched FA I almost got us rolled like 4 times. You say that like it's a bad thing Dec 26 18:48:22 <JacobH[Arrgh]> God your worse the grealind >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegee Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Dio Brando said: RIP Blue Moon, gone but never forgotten. 3 I'm just procrastinating for a paper I have to write at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNG Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Holton said: , IQ is *boring* in its current state. They're not having fun, we're not having fun, even Fraggle is losing interest. Hey, I won't address the rest of your point, but speak for yourself here. It's been great fun watching people: A. Tear their hair out over IQ not posting anything on the OWF B. Continually complain IQ is not doing anything C. Go to greater and greater length to try to get a rise out of IQ on the OWF. If you're that bored, then go do something fun yourself or troll someone who'll troll back. After all, if IQ is an inactive blob, they won't stop you, eh? 5 "They say the secret to success is being at the right place at the right time. But since you never know when the right time is going to be, I figure the trick is to find the right place and just hang around!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Kastor> He left and my !@#$ nation is !@#$ed up. And the Finance guy refuses to help. He just writes his !@#$ plays. <Kastor> And laughs and shit. <Kastor> And gives out !@#$ huge loans to Arthur James, that !@#$ bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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