Kriegskoenig Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kayser said: [...] Recently, we were approached with an idea of tackling some pirates. Specifically, we were approached by a few alliances who have historically been opposed to TKR or the sphere we occupied. What sort of dynamic alliance would we be if we passed up this opportunity to work with them? We didn't need the other signatories in order to carry out this war from a military perspective. That's not the point. We wanted to add to the precedent of non treatied alliances with a common goal coming together in pursuit of that goal. That historical enemies can come together in pursuit of a common goal. That we are an alliance of our word and our publicly stated direction and desire is not shallow. That we will continue to pursue that direction and our rhetoric is to be taken at face value. This is not the culmination of our labors, but it is an important incremental step. So here we are. This isn't about fighting a historical menace in Arrgh, it's about living up to our word. That and blue balls, jeez, its been like 9 months or something. Finally. And this is the most succinct explanation. This is more about building trust and bridges than it is about rolling Arrgh. In fact, Polaris alone could have rolled all of Arrgh's members who were not on beige, with the possible exception of Bluebear. It wouldn't be the first time, either. We did it very successfully once before, until Arrgh went and got TEst to come bail them out. TEst is gone now. Partisan's Final Joke is not half the dragon that TEst was, and they seem to be willing to keep out of this. The reality is that Orbis has been severely divided into completely separate spheres of influence for too long. Mass quantities of treaties WERE preventing movement. There has been an attitude of complete distrust or hatred, although arguably irrational, toward members of another bloc simply because of who their allies were, and because of old grudges. People change. Alliances change. If your alliance lives long enough, you will see your brothers become your enemies, and your enemies become your brothers. Those with whom you've warred to the death turn out to be real people with morals and ethics, and real reasons for their actions. We should all be open to learning about each other, supporting goals and morals we can agree upon, and respecting each other even when our disagreements lead to war. I will admit that I am not immune to shortsightedness and suspicion, or treating historical enemies as permanent ones. I am not a saint. I ask only that you hear my words and judge for yourselves. We have taken the step of trusting another alliance's word--one that has been a historical enemy--that their buildup was in fact for a joint project. Could TKR have hit and rolled Polaris with their buildup? Quite possibly. And I am willing to admit having MDPs to rely on does make that trust easier for me personally. But I would not see us refuse the hand of friendship in a small matter when it is offered as a gesture of brotherhood against a common aggressor. Perhaps small issues may be resolved by other means than war. Perhaps we should have allies, not based on who is going to help us attack and defeat those alliances we see as our rivals, but based on common beliefs and core principles. War will never end whether on Earth, or in Orbis. But it need not be sought for petty causes. There is always a cost to war, and the efforts should be spent well. I will always prefer the just war against a transgressor to any war of conquest or dominance. Your view of what a transgressor is may differ, as Arrgh's does from ours. In that case, we may one day stand on opposite sides of the battlefield. I merely ask that we be rational beings, and at least learn who they are that we are told are the enemy, and decide for ourselves. 6 Hours ago, Bourhann said: I don't even know who you are. Perhaps you could change that. Feel free to chat me up! You'll find I have no irrational hatred of you, and that I am quite willing to hear all about your ethics and ideals. Edited February 20, 2018 by Kriegskoenig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Buorhann said: 17 minutes ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said: That being said, the game does seem to be gradually moving in a more Dynamic direction IMO(We have Rose sphere, KT sphere, nuke bloc, in addition to the inquisition megabloc. This is a improvement from the historical Syndisphere Vrs Paracov. Is it? I don't recall a 9/10 month peace time happening during those years. Context please, what I said was: 17 minutes ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said: Finally, on your last point, I agree with you. TKR hasn't achieved their goals yet and in a broad sense, the game is not that dynamic. That being said, the game does seem to be gradually moving in a more Dynamic direction IMO(We have Rose sphere, KT sphere, nuke bloc, in addition to the inquisition megabloc. This is a improvement from the historical Syndisphere Vrs Paracov. So perhaps with more time this trend will continue? So yes, I agree with you..? The game is not that dynamic in the broad sense. I'm not sure what type of response you where looking for with cherry picking like that XD Edited February 20, 2018 by The God Emperor of Mankind Textboxing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert Name Here Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 The new TKR: "We recognize we've been a part of the problem: making the game stagnant. So we're dropping the most reliable ally one could have (Guardian) and get closer to the largest sphere in the game, in a desperate attempt to avoid getting rolled". I guess that's the most important step a man can take. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phino Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Arrgh doing nothing wrong, we just more "dynamic" than TKR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said: Context please, what I said was: So yes, I agree with you..? The game is not that dynamic in the broad sense. I'm not sure what type of response you where looking for with cherry picking like that XD You say it's an improvement from Syndisphere vs Paracov, then turn around and agree with me? If you want to add the rest of your context which, if I'm not mistaken here, is your assumption that a multiple minisphere game would be an improvement. However, you do not know this as it has not happened in the way you're picturing it. Or, if you want to say it has happened (the sphere examples you've used), then how is it a improvement again? The game was boring up till when TJest brought up the meme game again. 2 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert Name Here Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) I don't know about that, Phino. Attaching themselves to IQ has gotta grant TKR a bunch of dynamic points. Edited February 20, 2018 by Insert Name Here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Insert Name Here said: The new TKR: "We recognize we've been a part of the problem: making the game stagnant. So we're dropping the most reliable ally one could have (Guardian) and get closer to the largest sphere in the game, in a desperate attempt to avoid getting rolled". I guess that's the most important step a man can take. My wayward child, I can see why someone in an alliance being rolled by TKR would say that XD. But let's be real for a minute, a it's quite the leap in logic to label a joint retaliation on arrgh and trying to reconfigure the political landscape as "cozying up to IQ in a desperate attempt prevent being rolled" heh. If TKR wanted to continue the two side dynamic with EMC, we could have I'd imagine. It's quite the task we've brought upon ourselves, but we're going try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert Name Here Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said: My wayward child, I can see why someone in an alliance being rolled by TKR would say that XD. But let's be real for a minute, a it's quite the leap in logic to label a joint retaliation on arrgh and trying to reconfigure the political landscape as "cozying up to IQ in a desperate attempt prevent being rolled" heh. If TKR wanted to continue the two side dynamic with EMC, we could have I'd imagine. It's quite the task we've brought upon ourselves, but we're going try Are you high? Do you have any idea how many times Arrgh has gotten rolled? Do you think we care? Just look at how much infra Arrgh nations have. If you had any common sense you'd know that stupid stuff like declaring war on Arrgh just motivates us to go out of our way to inflict damage on the attacker. So I hope TKR and co enjoy the pointless damage they're gonna take. Edited February 20, 2018 by Insert Name Here 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Buorhann said: You say it's an improvement from Syndisphere vs Paracov, then turn around and agree with me? If you want to add the rest of your context which, if I'm not mistaken here, is your assumption that a multiple minisphere game would be an improvement. However, you do not know this as it has not happened in the way you're picturing it. Or, if you want to say it has happened (the sphere examples you've used), then how is it a improvement again? The game was boring up till when TJest brought up the meme game again. 1) Uhm, get some sleep and then re read my post and hopefully then you'll be able to understand it, I was quite clear. Unless you are going to continue to pretend that I didnt say that the game is not dynamic in the broad sense. If so, shame on you! 2) I think a lot of us are at the point where the two sphere dynamic has jsut been played out too many times. You do have a fair point in this though, will it be the better game we desire? We dont know. But if we want to try and make the game more interesting, this is the path we must forge to atleast try and better it 3) I said the game was becoming gradually more dynamic, but it is still 'un-dynamic' in the broad sense. Get some sleep man, then re-read my posts in the morning, I think it'll help. I did not say in any form that the game has achieved a meaningfully dynamic state, just that there are some small trends in that direction at this time. I was clear in that. Edited February 20, 2018 by The God Emperor of Mankind Grammar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, Insert Name Here said: Are you high? Do you have any idea how many times Arrgh has gotten rolled? Do you think we care? Just look at how much infra Arrgh nations have. If you had any common sense you'd know that stupid stuff like declaring war on Arrgh just motivates us to go out of our way to inflict damage on the attacker. So I hope TKR and co enjoy the pointless damage they're gonna take. You know, before all the arrgh posts on the forums I actually did think that. But with all the butt hurt posts/threats/QQing, I think it's clear that you guys do care. I'm not sure why though tbh, because as you said, your infra levels where low to begin with and with the game's mechanics, raiding is always going to be viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert Name Here Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, The God Emperor of Mankind said: You know, before all the arrgh posts on the forums I actually did think that. But with all the butt hurt posts/threats/QQing, I think it's clear that you guys do care. I'm not sure why though tbh, because as you said, your infra levels where low to begin with and with the game's mechanics, raiding is always going to be viable. Naw, no butthrut here, fam. Just a bit puzzled as to why TKR would admit they were part of the stagnation problem in this game - the idea behind dropping Guardian was apparently doing something to break that cycle. Now you just see TKR desperately trying to attach themselves to the largest sphere in the game, some of the main culprits for the aforementioned stagnation, in an attempt to remove a target from their backs. TKR's supposed intentions aren't being backed up by their actions. So I'm just highlighting the contradictory nature of all this, no more, no less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Insert Name Here said: Naw, no butthrut here, fam. Just a bit puzzled as to why TKR would admit they were part of the stagnation problem in this game - the idea behind dropping Guardian was apparently doing something to break that cycle. Now you just see TKR desperately trying to attach themselves to the largest sphere in the game, some of the main culprits for the aforementioned stagnation, in an attempt to remove a target from their backs. TKR's supposed intentions aren't being backed up by their actions. So I'm just highlighting the contradictory nature of all this, no more, no less. Nearly every major alliance ingame got swept into the two side dynamic, I dont think it was anything noteworthy that they viewed themselves as part of it IMO If TKR became 'attached'/part-of to IQ, it would be an unrecoverable IA disaster. The people in TKR believe in what they are doing, this is simply an attempt to try break the two side dynamic by helping historic foes and to try and make meaningful friendships I think they are, EMC was a very strong group of alliances, if TKR just wanted a strong posture we could of just left what works alone IMO. It was a lot of wars with the same dynamic man, at a point it just became "IQ Vrs EMC" every 3 months, and it got old =/. It was a ballsy plan by our leadership to even attempt to do this hah, it's one hell of a project to try and achieve. But just doing the same wars every 3 months was just not where we wanted to be IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectral Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) The one thing I learned from this thread, is the size of tkr's ego. Or at least the god emporer guy, though I should've guessed it from the name. Clinging to the word dynamic to improve your PR is stale and honestly just annoying. If you wanted to hit arrgh purely in some form of righteous calling, you wouldn't need to make a big spectacle of it. So you say you want to show you can put grudges to bed? That typically infers the intent to tie individuals. You say this wasn't an attempt to get into bed with IQ, but when you try to make friendships with alliances who are in a bloc with a superiority claus e, your intent is to either join the bloc or waste your own time. I, frankly, don't care one way or another, but stop trying to cover up what you're doing so poorly. At least put a little effort forward. Edited February 20, 2018 by Spectral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert Name Here Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said: Nearly every major alliance ingame got swept into the two side dynamic, I dont think it was anything noteworthy that they viewed themselves as part of it IMO If TKR became 'attached'/part-of to IQ, it would be an unrecoverable IA disaster. The people in TKR believe in what they are doing, this is simply an attempt to try break the two side dynamic by helping historic foes and to try and make meaningful friendships I think they are, EMC was a very strong group of alliances, if TKR just wanted a strong posture we could of just left what works alone IMO. It was a lot of wars with the same dynamic man, at a point it just became "IQ Vrs EMC" every 3 months, and it got old =/. It was a ballsy plan by our leadership to even attempt to do this hah, it's one hell of a project to try and achieve. But just doing the same wars every 3 months was just not where we wanted to be IMO Nah fam, it's TKR realizing they had to get out of a sinking ship after EMC fragmented. TKR's goal (and their actions have proven it time and time again) has never been to shake things up. TKR cares about its own survival and does whatever it takes, in this case trying to get closer to the largest sphere in the game. People aren't stupid and facts contradict TKR's narrative. Everyone knows what's TKR's intention by declaring war with 3 formerly hostile alliances (or at least tied to traditional enemies) on an alliance that is always rekt and will never stop raiding. You can try to spin any way you want, but you won't be fooling anybody. Edited February 20, 2018 by Insert Name Here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senry Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I wake up and this thread is 7 pages long. Jesus ****ing- I've seen Catholic priests with less pent-up sexual frustration than what is up for display in this thread. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Royalist Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) Why are there 4 alliances fighting pirates with no infrastructure? entirely a shitass waste Edited February 21, 2018 by FilipS 6 Quote aka Filip, The Royalist or Tremor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewdiepie Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, FilipS said: Why are there 4 alliances fighting pirates with no infrastructure? enitely a shitass waste 4 Alliances of around 250 people together are destroying an alliance of 60 people, I never believed that would of happened Quote ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck Turgidson Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I feel bad for the 'undersigned' folks. 1 Quote Are you originally from Earth, too? Proud owner of Harry's goat. It's mine now. I now own MinesomeMC's goat, too. It's starting to look like a herd. Yep, it is a herd. Aldwulf has added his goat, too, and it ain't Irish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert Name Here Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) @Micchan, I don't care about the war on Arrgh, we're used to getting dogpiled. However, it kinda rubs me the wrong way when an alliance tries to pass as honorable and yet jumps at any chance to dogpile. And when it claims they just want to put an end to its usual MO of contributing to a boring dynamic, yet they're willing to do whatever it takes to survive, including desperate attempts at attaching themselves to one of the groups of alliances with more responsibility for the current stagnation on Orbis. So you misinterpreted what I've been saying, but no harm done. Edited February 20, 2018 by Insert Name Here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Insert Name Here said: @Micchan, I don't care about the war on Arrgh, we're used to getting dogpiled. However, it kinda rubs me the wrong way when an alliance tries to pass as honorable and yet jumps at any chance to dogpile. And when it claims they just want to put an end to its usual MO of contributing to a boring dynamic, yet they're willing to do whatever it takes to survive, including desperate attempts at attaching themselves to one of the groups of alliances with more responsibility for the current stagnation on Orbis. So you misinterpreted what I've been saying, but no harm done. Arrgh is a poor paperless alliance who was just dogpiled by the evil TKR or Arrgh is a pirate alliance who averages 3-5 raids per day on TKR and allies and therefore Arrgh deserve to be always at war and dogpiled? Which one? TKR dissolved the strongest bloc in the game trying to change the status quo or TKR is trying to sign IQ because IQ is the new super strong hegemony (who just had big troubles dealing with Jest and lost all the previous wars with EMC) because TKR is coward and want to stay with the strongest? Wich one? You have to make two choices because those things can't coexist 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ripper Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Micchan said: Arrgh is a poor paperless alliance who was just dogpiled by the evil TKR... You are right, this sentence is wrong. Arrgh is not poor. 1 hour ago, Micchan said: ... or Arrgh is a pirate alliance who averages 3-5 raids per day on TKR and allies... Poor TKR and allies... It does sound like you really needed help from Polaris et al. 1 hour ago, Micchan said: ... and therefore Arrgh deserve to be always at war and dogpiled? Which one? If we are going to talk about ethics here, then TKR "deserves" the same fate, considering it also raids other nations and even its own members, when they go inactive. The only alliance that would be on the "right" here would be an alliance that fights only defensive wars. If you don't use "deserve" in this context, then the only "crime" that remains for Arrgh to "deserve" what it gets is that Arrgh has the audacity to hit nations in alliances, unlike most other alliances that raid new players, alliance-less nations and their own members. And to be more specific, the "crime" is that it has the audacity to hit nations of your alliances specifically or of your new best friends, like Polaris. So, please, remove the "knight in shining armor defends all that is good and nice in this world from filthy pirates" narrative, and let's look at the things as they are. You want a war. You are bored. Maybe a little worried about having no ties and trying to approach new alliances or whatever. Too scared to start a conventional war of your own and too scared of losing. Too fixated in starting a "just war" to keep the "honorable" title. Kinda frustrated being #1 and being unable to face raids. Thus, you are desperate enough to declare "war on piracy", a tactic that happily you use yourself with the first opportunity. To sum up. Just call things with their name and all is good. Regardless of any other goals behind the hit, this is a war against an alliance that dares to declare raids on you and you want to retaliate. There is nothing more and nothing less in it. Remove all the evil/good talk and the "services" you provide to the rest of Orbis. Just say you want to defend yourselves and for some reason you need help from 3-4 other alliances. Edited February 20, 2018 by Ripper 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 33 minutes ago, Ripper said: Just call things with their name and all is good. Regardless of any other goals behind the hit, this is a war against an alliance that dares to declare raids on you and you want to retaliate. There is nothing more and nothing less in it. Remove all the evil/good talk and the "services" you provide to the rest of Orbis. Just say you want to defend yourselves and for some reason you need help from 3-4 other alliances. Did anyone said something different? Then from what my gov said we are using this chance to see how it is working with those alliances and see if maybe we can build something in the future with them idk if there's a third reason but sure we are not doing this war for that reason only, TKR wanted to hit Arrgh, our low tier started asking for this war at the end of the summer but we know it is pointless to we always just countered, now we are doing it because this lack of wars is killing us and this is better than nothing, if we are lucky someone decide to counter and help Arrgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Micchan said: Did anyone said something different? Then from what my gov said we are using this chance to see how it is working with those alliances and see if maybe we can build something in the future with them idk if there's a third reason but sure we are not doing this war for that reason only, TKR wanted to hit Arrgh, our low tier started asking for this war at the end of the summer but we know it is pointless to we always just countered, now we are doing it because this lack of wars is killing us and this is better than nothing, if we are lucky someone decide to counter and help Arrgh And thus you choose a target with 0 military and ties to "practice" and "challenge" yourself. Thanks for confirming. Considering Arrgh's zero infra and military though, I don't really know what kind of "war" you are expecting. There are no pixels to burn. However, if that is the war you've been waiting for 6 months now as you say, then I can only wish you to have fun. Edited February 20, 2018 by Ripper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dio Brando Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, WSxPhoenix said: The alliance known as Arrgh have preyed upon free and orderly alliances for too long. Too long have they pillaged innocent nations from without our protection. They have hounded us without end. (1)Yet no one in the world has deigned it appropriate to respond to their unprovoked and predatory actions, until now. We, the undersigned alliances, hereby declare war on Arrgh for their crimes upon our nations. We jointly declare war (2)as disparate alliances, knowing that not all of us share neither a treaty nor a history of working together. Some of us have, at various points in history, even been enemies. We do declare war here and now on Arrgh not only because it is the right thing to do, but because even alliances with little history in common can work together toward a common goal, should the cause be a just one. We will wage war on them, we will exact vengeance upon them, for all that they have wrought. We will strike at them with all means at our disposal, without reservation. (3)We shall do what all free and sovereign alliances that have been hit by Arrgh ought to do. The seeds of wrath have been sown, and now comes the harvest. May it be bountiful. The undersigned agrieved alliances hereby declare (4)a state of war shall exist between them and the nations affiliated with Arrgh, until the debt has been paid: AlmightyGrub, signing for Polaris TheCreepyLurker, signing for TKR Boki, signing for Cerberus Therana, signing for TUE (1): Try looking at Arrgh's war history some day, and glance at the amount of counters they receive. You are not doing anything new. This is not revolutionary. What you are doing is the exact same thing as you have been for the past x months, the only difference is that now you've begun saying you're doing that. (2): Clearly you are not 'disparate', seeing as you bundled yourselves in the same group in the preceding sentence. (3): Most of them have. (4): And it didn't already? Or are you intending to say that the numerous wars you have declared upon Arrgh! in the months before this post do not count as a state of war, and that for a state of war to be present a recognition is a must? And then, are you intending to say you are — due to your subpar cognitive capacity — so late that it takes you months to recognize that hostilities have been initiated against your nations? -- For the thread as a whole: While there are many detractors in this thread (including myself with this post, I suppose), and it is a tad bit hard to follow, there seem to be two general trends with posts here. One claims that this action (the declaration of war) isn't doing anything significant w.r.t the given narrative (dynamism), the other is generally a counter to that. Then there are the "We don't care" posters, and the subsequent, "But you do care!" people. Let's review the first: First, let's establish this: mechanics wise, this is not new. Nothing you have done here in-game is something out of the ordinary, or a disconnect from wars declared on Arrgh! that existed before this "Declaration of War". You were unwittingly co-ordinating with each other prior to this as well. What is new, however, is the apparent attempt to openly, intentionally coordinate with each other. That is what I like, the fact that alliances did approach TKR (an alliance they are not connected to) for a joint-exercise against pirates, an entity that has been raiding them all. My issue with this narrative is when people begin to overplay what they actually did, and what the significance of such a thing is. That said, if this is your choice of war allies, and this is your choice of a war target to display working together... I'm not impressed, and maybe what's missing here is magnitude. I digress, this is as stated by someone previously more symbolic than anything else. For the "I care not" and "But you do" posters: If you do not care about launching an economically unsound war that could have achieved the same result as you preferring to keep your defenses up, you're an idiot. Plain and simple. You wanted release? That means you're going on the offensive because you really want to, and thus the narrative for "We're defending" ends up falling flat on it's face. For the "But you do" posters, let us assume for a moment that they really don't care about sustaining damage/loss in income for an objective they could have achieved through other, more viable means. When they post to tell you they don't care, they aren't saying, "We care about (making dumb ass decisions and thus) eating nukes/missiles", they're saying, "We care enough about posting to let you know we don't care". xdxd. 3 hours ago, Micchan said: (1) Arrgh is a poor paperless alliance who was just dogpiled by the evil TKR or Arrgh is a pirate alliance who averages 3-5 raids per day on TKR and allies and therefore Arrgh deserve to be always at war and dogpiled? Which one? (2) TKR dissolved the strongest bloc in the game trying to change the status quo or TKR is trying to sign IQ because IQ is the new super strong hegemony (who just had big troubles dealing with Jest and lost all the previous wars with EMC) because TKR is coward and want to stay with the strongest? Wich one? You have to make two choices because those things can't coexist (1): Deserve to always be at war? They already are always at war, and they are dogpiled 24/7. No real change here aside from a declaration of working together. (Kind of slow on the uptake of the fact that y'all were already coordinating, eh? xdxd) (2): And that is exactly the issue people have. They're saying that the breaking up of EMC only left Orbis open for a new "hegemony" (I wouldn't agree with this, Inq isn't entirely a monopolistic bloc/sphere) which TKR is now attempting to join. Your narrative could've been that you weren't joining Inq, but when you leak as much as the Ajka Alumina Plant you shouldn't expect people to accept that narrative. The underlying assumption of-course is that you dissolved the strongest bloc, and now afraid, look towards attaching yourself to Inq/keeping them happy. Edited February 20, 2018 by Dio Brando 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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