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  1. 1. Would you rather receive immigrants from?

    • Europe and East Asia
    • Central & South America and Africa


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Sorry for the lateness on this folks, as some of you know I was disabled from posting for a while there. Anyway, in the news recently a Democrat started up a meme regarding Trump which backfired as firstly any person on the street knows that Trump would be correct on such a statement, and second that you know... it didn't actually happen. So lets have a poll, and the progressives are free to show their virtue if they like. The Roz won't bite, I mean why the hell would I bite dudes? Weird. You save that for women with their tender soft flesh. 

So who would you rather receive immigrants from? Now as you know I would say there is a lot of very dickable ladies in all these places but... anyway, so it's... Europe and East Asia are on one side. Central & South America and Africa are on the other. Vote.

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3 minutes ago, Smith said:

Why is there no "it doesn't matter option"?

Because the Democrats decided to make it a contest with their meme. So lets go. 

6 minutes ago, hydraik said:

How do you expect there to be any contest when it comes to East Asia? Such beautiful flat women.

Oh crap... it should be made clear that such a thing was only a passing comment by me. While the women can matter on such a thing, we're just talking immigration here, not on which ever women you find most dickable from those areas. 

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12 minutes ago, Rozalia said:

 

Oh crap... it should be made clear that such a thing was only a passing comment by me. While the women can matter on such a thing, we're just talking immigration here, not on which ever women you find most dickable from those areas. 

Alright so let's assume that the only reason I would want someone to immigrate into my country isn't so I can find a beautiful girl and marry her.

East Asia has shown to be hard working and industrious without complaining.

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Just now, hydraik said:

Alright so let's assume that the only reason I would want someone to immigrate into my country isn't so I can find a beautiful girl and marry her.

East Asia has shown to be hard working and industrious without complaining.

If that is what you want mate, sure, it's cool. 

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4 minutes ago, Jeremy Graham said:

I'm guessing this is a question for Americans? And is there a reason you're leaving out other regions?  

Also, I second what Smith said. lol 

It's a Democrat meme regarding Trump, however people outside America are free to respond certainly. Not hard to place yourself over there and think on the matter.

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1 hour ago, Frank Castle said:

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If you want people to take you seriously.....you should remove the racist troll baiters from posting.  

 

Until then....I'll call a spade a spade and say that allowing this is endorsing some ignorant troll. Do a better "job"

 

 

 

 

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At the end of the day, the whole "shithole" doesn't work for filtering immigrants since the majority of people who move will do so to elevate their living standard. No one's going to come from an affluent country unless they're getting a lot more than their already comfortable standard of living. When things were desperate in Ireland and Italy, plenty of people would have preferred to not have to deal with them and keep receiving immigrants from more well off places, but those people came precisely because the conditions weren't good there and they were pretty disliked. The same thing goes with the Chinese who came in the mid-late 1800s(not the same people as later on). They were hated, people didn't want them coming,  and then they passed the exclusion act, but if there's a demand for labor, someone is going to try to find people to meet since it's in their economic interest to do so and they aren't going to hold out for individuals who won't come.

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I'd say neither. Let's keep people from coming in and just improve the stock we already have.

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11 hours ago, Roquentin said:

At the end of the day, the whole "shithole" doesn't work for filtering immigrants since the majority of people who move will do so to elevate their living standard. No one's going to come from an affluent country unless they're getting a lot more than their already comfortable standard of living. When things were desperate in Ireland and Italy, plenty of people would have preferred to not have to deal with them and keep receiving immigrants from more well off places, but those people came precisely because the conditions weren't good there and they were pretty disliked. The same thing goes with the Chinese who came in the mid-late 1800s(not the same people as later on). They were hated, people didn't want them coming,  and then they passed the exclusion act, but if there's a demand for labor, someone is going to try to find people to meet since it's in their economic interest to do so and they aren't going to hold out for individuals who won't come.

What you haven't talked about and Epi mentions is the social damage that one of these groups inflicts and the other largely does not (I'm sure you can point out some exceptions). Some may hear that and get in a tizzy thinking a race thing, but nah. The harshest critics of say bad black immigrants (in many places they are "refugees") is other black immigrants who obey the law, came in legally, so on. In places where Pakistanis (who are Indian) cause problems it'll be Indians who hit them hardest.

In a more logical and sane world we can have people from everywhere and everything will be dandy (isn't actually all that difficult, they used to do it fine). However as we know currently they are incapable of filtering people ("refugees" from Somalia, Sudan, and such places? Groups with track records of massive crime wherever they go? What?) adequately so if you had to choose between one or the other, which would it be? 

As for your talk of competition I would... disagree. First off places like Europe includes the likes of Spain for example which are hardly brimming with jobs for it's people hence why you get many southern European people moving north and such. It ain't all millionaire bankers in Europe and East Asia. 

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Guys, guys. You all have it wrong. Remember, Roz is from Britain. The answer to his loaded question is neither! Brexit was all about not letting those dirty criminal Norwegians into the country. 

 

If Roz can't stand the whitest of the white countries, assuming he's not a racist, we should conclude that the answer to Roz's question of where you would prefer immigrants to come from is nowhere. Immigration is - obviously - a globalist conspiracy designed to weaken the nation state and degrade its wealth.

It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose.

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2 hours ago, Caecus said:

Guys, guys. You all have it wrong. Remember, Roz is from Britain. The answer to his loaded question is neither! Brexit was all about not letting those dirty criminal Norwegians into the country. 

 

If Roz can't stand the whitest of the white countries, assuming he's not a racist, we should conclude that the answer to Roz's question of where you would prefer immigrants to come from is nowhere. Immigration is - obviously - a globalist conspiracy designed to weaken the nation state and degrade its wealth.

Immigration is a positive. It has simply been ran badly by the globalist types yes who if on the left do it with the aim of rubbing our noses in "diversity" to reference the likes of New Labour, and of cold hard profit (for the richest) if on the right. Even then they can point to some iffy positives, but the future social cost will be astronomical. 

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7 hours ago, Rozalia said:

Immigration is a positive. It has simply been ran badly by the globalist types yes who if on the left do it with the aim of rubbing our noses in "diversity" to reference the likes of New Labour, and of cold hard profit (for the richest) if on the right. Even then they can point to some iffy positives, but the future social cost will be astronomical. 

Bullshit. Immigration is a terrible thing. Give me one example where a nation profited from immigration. The Manchus and Mongols took over China. The Visigoths in Rome. White people in North America. Almost every instance of immigration resulted in the collapse of the nation state, or a mass genocide where a shit ton of the native people died. 

 

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It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose.

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21 hours ago, Caecus said:

Bullshit. Immigration is a terrible thing. Give me one example where a nation profited from immigration. The Manchus and Mongols took over China. The Visigoths in Rome. White people in North America. Almost every instance of immigration resulted in the collapse of the nation state, or a mass genocide where a shit ton of the native people died. 

 

Those were invasions. Not immigration. 

There is no need to talk about the positives of immigration with some grand backdrop. Most people, some further back then others, had a immigrant who was their ancestor who came over to wherever they are, integrated, and were absorbed fully into the collective. Immigration allowed these groups to flourish in number, wealth (as based on the circumstance and to a point, more people equals more wealth), technology, so on. Many of those people go on to rightly be the biggest opponents of a system that if it had been in place for their ancestors in the past... would have meant a very different life for them. Wilders, Trump, guys like that are noted for the roots that came from elsewhere. 

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1 hour ago, Rozalia said:

Those were invasions. Not immigration. 

There is no need to talk about the positives of immigration with some grand backdrop. Most people, some further back then others, had a immigrant who was their ancestor who came over to wherever they are, integrated, and were absorbed fully into the collective. Immigration allowed these groups to flourish in number, wealth (as based on the circumstance and to a point, more people equals more wealth), technology, so on. Many of those people go on to rightly be the biggest opponents of a system that if it had been in place for their ancestors in the past... would have meant a very different life for them. Wilders, Trump, guys like that are noted for the roots that came from elsewhere. 

Really? Those people on the Mayflower called themselves pilgrims. The Visigoths settled the lands in France initially and were declared citizens of the empire before sacking Rome. The Manchus were once part of border and vassal states to the Han and were Chinese in all but name. As for the Mongols... Well... You got me on the Mongols... But that still doesn't account for the other examples I gave!

I can only remember one instance of "immigration" that was beneficial to the nation state, and I seem to recall it was all from Africa. You know, the "immigrants" who arrived in the Americas who increased agricultural output in a labor-deficient demographic American South? I find it ironic that the immigrants we sought out so much (an understatement, to be sure) 300 years ago for their contributions and productivity are the same immigrants who you think less preferred than Norwegians. Remind me, what good has Norway brought to the New World besides all the genocidal pale-skinned quislings that are draining our economy with their socialist desires for universal healthcare and a guaranteed income? 

 

 

It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose.

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Really? Those people on the Mayflower called themselves pilgrims. The Visigoths settled the lands in France initially and were declared citizens of the empire before sacking Rome. The Manchus were once part of border and vassal states to the Han and were Chinese in all but name. As for the Mongols... Well... You got me on the Mongols... But that still doesn't account for the other examples I gave!

I can only remember one instance of "immigration" that was beneficial to the nation state, and I seem to recall it was all from Africa. You know, the "immigrants" who arrived in the Americas who increased agricultural output in a labor-deficient demographic American South? I find it ironic that the immigrants we sought out so much (an understatement, to be sure) 300 years ago for their contributions and productivity are the same immigrants who you think less preferred than Norwegians. Remind me, what good has Norway brought to the New World besides all the genocidal pale-skinned quislings that are draining our economy with their socialist desires for universal healthcare and a guaranteed income? 

 

 

And which Native American state did they immigrate to? Rome had a lot of barbarian groups and such here and there, means nothing. What you are saying about the Manchus you could say about the likes of the Khitai or whatever. China had vassal and tributary states all around them, China was a total powerhouse after all. Those states had their nobility take the culture of China often enough as it was so advanced, heck the tribes in the north even getting family names was due to a cultural concept they got from the Chinese.

You're only really making a point for me though at the end of the day. The lower class of barbarian, you know, the 99% didn't become Chinese so when it came time to start trouble, they did so. Now previously China never had trouble of course, even cut off regional warlords like Gongsun Zan could keep them in line while in a state of total war with his rival Yuan Shao. However eventually they allowed more and more of those barbarians to settle. China's army was cut down in size... the Jin Empire clashed in civil war with itself... no shocker then when the Barbarians attacked they found a people perfectly onside to taking Jin down. Immigration is good, but without integration it will always end badly. Simple as that. 

Hehehe... really? You do not seem aware that such a statement you're making, that slavery was some form of immigration is considered deeply offensive and wrong on the left. The African pop were brought in, like with the rest of the pop coming in at the time and over the years to fill up the land yes. However integration was obviously not as much of a thing as with the rest of the groups so even in the modern day they exist as a blundered integrated group, that isn't quite there and is a sad state of affairs. Meanwhile those other groups, whichever ones you want to mention from Europe have blended into the collective. 

I think it speaks volumes you really are trying this slave == immigrant thing. There is a reason people say people such as yourself just want immigrants to pick the cotton if you will. We get it mate, the black folk no longer quite serve the purpose so you want Hispanics, sorry, people reject that. Also there is no need to worry about devious Norwegians infiltrating the country and turning it into Communist land. You see, and this may shock you, but when people immigrate and then integrate, if they don't take the politics of the country then their children will. These children will be Americans, likely well off, white (so despised by the Democrats and their supporters), and so will more than likely be Republicans. 

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On 1/19/2018 at 7:22 PM, Rozalia said:

You see, and this may shock you, but when people immigrate and then integrate, if they don't take the politics of the country then their children will. These children will be Americans, likely well off, white (so despised by the Democrats and their supporters), and so will more than likely be Republicans. 

My last post was some really basic bait, and you ate that bait so fast even when I went the extra mile to put quotations around "immigration," it really does prove your inability to think critically. This last statement above really highlights my point: You and I have the same views on immigration. The only difference is, you think white people from a socialist (borderline communist country) with just as much of a cultural difference than people of color are better suited to become Americans by virtue of the color of their skin. If that's not racism, you obviously don't have a conceptual understanding of what racism is.

 

I honestly don't even understand why you post these topics. Half of the forum thinks you are a racist 14 year old with a fetish hardon for wrestling, and the other half are a bunch of either multis or Trump trolls that don't have a single original thought in their own heads and spend all their time uprepping every insanely stupid, egoistical racist thing you post. You're not changing anyone's mind here, only confirming what everyone already thinks of you. 

 

I also find it funny that all your Trump trolls start coming out of the woodwork when they think I've left the debate forum. I also see a lot of your alliance mates here, I find it rather shameful that you felt the need to call in your alliance mates to uprep you.

I see @Gabranth is back, after I kicked his ass so hard in the travel ban debate that he went on a vacation for 3 months (and presumably didn't show up until now after the travel ban was suspended in the courts). At least you tried to debate, so props to you, son. Without me here anymore, I'm sure you'll have an easier time dealing with policy debates that are within your ability to do so.

I'm going to miss @WISD0MTREE dodging all manners of actual debate. You have some funny comments though. Keep rubbing your gun lube all over that barrel of yours, I don't think anyone else will do it for you in your lifetime. 

Also, @ComradeMilton, I'm going to miss not seeing you get your dick caught in doors anymore. I find it amusing that you think you actually have anything intelligent to add to a debate, and that says something when I think Roz is ever-so slightly better than you. Enjoy getting ignored by the rest of society for being a lazy, stupid piece of shit. It's rather ironic that of all the racist stupidass trolls here, I still reserved the vast majority of my ire for you. 

 

Finally, Roz, I think this last post that you never replied to sums you up. You should pay attention to the last paragraph if you ever want to get laid. It's ironic that for someone who talks so much about 'integration,' your own lack of character and decency has forced you to be shunned from the rest of society, confining yourself to your safe space here. I suppose after I leave, it really will be a safe space for you. God knows Milton is too damn stupid and lazy to give you an actual debate. 

On 1/1/2018 at 0:33 PM, Caecus said:

Lol. Listen to yourself. You - someone who thinks that sexual assault is okay at a certain age, pedophilia is an admirable trait in an elected official, and the KKK's white nationalist agenda is a good thing - think that you have courage? 

You're right. It does take a lot of sweaty old white Evangelical Nazi balls to admit that you are objectively a terrible person. Just look at yourself jumping through hoops to try and defend the indefensible. It's sad.

You claim to have love, courage, desire, and hope, and yet at each turn, you support hatred, cowardice, apathy, and despair. Hatred, because the deceitful Trump wants a white feudal America ruled by a hypocritical Christian corporate elite. Cowardice, because Trump's new tax plan gave into corporate special interests. Apathy, because Trump has not only failed to unify the country, but further divide it through toxic rhetoric and indecency. Despair, because Trump no longer draining the swamp of short-sighted pork-barreling that is choking America's working class and has actively worked against American interests abroad to appease the very foreign powers that he claims has raped our country. 

What I'm telling you is, be a better human being. Learn decency and tolerance. Think for yourself. Actually aspire to have love, devotion, courage, and hope and not just claim to have it when you obviously don't. And if you don't have a god damn idea what you are talking about, don't pretend like you do. 

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It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose.

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1 hour ago, Caecus said:

 

My last post was some really basic bait, and you ate that bait so fast even when I went the extra mile to put quotations around "immigration," it really does prove your inability to think critically. This last statement above really highlights my point: You and I have the same views on immigration. The only difference is, you think white people from a socialist (borderline communist country) with just as much of a cultural difference than people of color are better suited to become Americans by virtue of the color of their skin. If that's not racism, you obviously don't have a conceptual understanding of what racism is.

 

I honestly don't even understand why you post these topics. Half of the forum thinks you are a racist 14 year old with a fetish hardon for wrestling, and the other half are a bunch of either multis or Trump trolls that don't have a single original thought in their own heads and spend all their time uprepping every insanely stupid, egoistical racist thing you post. You're not changing anyone's mind here, only confirming what everyone already thinks of you. 

 

I also find it funny that all your Trump trolls start coming out of the woodwork when they think I've left the debate forum. I also see a lot of your alliance mates here, I find it rather shameful that you felt the need to call in your alliance mates to uprep you.

I see @Gabranth is back, after I kicked his ass so hard in the travel ban debate that he went on a vacation for 3 months (and presumably didn't show up until now after the travel ban was suspended in the courts). At least you tried to debate, so props to you, son. Without me here anymore, I'm sure you'll have an easier time dealing with policy debates that are within your ability to do so.

I'm going to miss @WISD0MTREE dodging all manners of actual debate. You have some funny comments though. Keep rubbing your gun lube all over that barrel of yours, I don't think anyone else will do it for you in your lifetime. 

Also, @ComradeMilton, I'm going to miss not seeing you get your dick caught in doors anymore. I find it amusing that you think you actually have anything intelligent to add to a debate, and that says something when I think Roz is ever-so slightly better than you. Enjoy getting ignored by the rest of society for being a lazy, stupid piece of shit. It's rather ironic that of all the racist stupidass trolls here, I still reserved the vast majority of my ire for you. 

 

Finally, Roz, I think this last post that you never replied to sums you up. You should pay attention to the last paragraph if you ever want to get laid. It's ironic that for someone who talks so much about 'integration,' your own lack of character and decency has forced you to be shunned from the rest of society, confining yourself to your safe space here. I suppose after I leave, it really will be a safe space for you. God knows Milton is too damn stupid and lazy to give you an actual debate. 

This is your goodbye post I take it which is good. LordRahl2 knew better than to get destroyed one last time on his way out, but it seems you want one for the road. Okay.

First off allow me to remind you that East Asians are in play who are regardless of what the priests of progressiveness say, not white. However that isn't to say others can't immigrate legally, sure, bring 'em, but only the best please. Cream of the crop and not the chaff as I like to say.

People are free to think stupid things if they wish. I have been playing nation sims for 11 years so I'm quite the stable genius if I started at 3 years of age. As for the racism thing, again, they are free to try and make that stick but everyone who has tried has failed. 

Your claim that I have brought out alliance mates in here to upvote me is completely false. None of them as of this post have upvoted me and the only one who posted was Lucifer Morningstar who in essence opposed me. 

As for "people coming out of the woodwork"... you're a year and a bit behind. Things became more, open if you will, on here over time but it culminated in my glorious victory over LordRahl2, as along with him went his little faction if you will. They were Fabian Society types, Neoliberals and the like, the "moderates". Smart guys though when it came to politics, policies, and the like but alas derangement hit them hard and they became mere insult spewing machines who soon could no longer hang with the Roz. 

We are in lovely agreement on Milton. 

Again, like your 14 year old, racist, sexist, whatever nonsense, stop trying to delegitimise me with such nonsense. I am well aware how to act depending on the situation so your implication that I what, randomly burst into talks on immigration, Trump, Brexit, whatever when I'm looking to dick a woman is off, As for safe space, nah. You guys are defeated again and again by me but always try to play it off differently, so I simply put you in a situation where there is no hiding from the fact that you where you were confirmed to not be the Roz's equal. 

You weren't bad though, but like with Rahl you degraded over time and became a shell of yourself. The Roz on the other hand doesn't degrade, he only improves. Merely look at the case of Rahl for example where me saying "cuck" for a few weeks (not even directed at anyone here, whereupon I then stopped) got him to endlessly say it in every post for a year. He weakened, I strengthened. 

And with that...

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another one bites za dusto. 

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