SK Cancellation with Valkyrie.

[Eld Fen]

Greetings.

In response to the coup in Valkyrie, SK is hereby cancelling our treaty effective 72 hours from now.

-Clover, Hand of King.

[Bezzers]

Rip

[hope]

press f for Valkyrie. how’s that democracy working out  

Edited November 8, 2017 by Hope

[Darth Revan]

F

[Apeman]

Cool picture clover. Could be a brighter green tho

[Squeegee]

38 minutes ago, Apeman said:

Cool picture clover. Could be a brighter green tho

Go green or go home 

[Raghav]

To clear things up, No one in Valkyrie supports this coup. Killzbob has fired the entire government and taken full control of the bank and the alliance. But this is not the end of Valkyrie. We've been through worse so it's just another day in a fine democracy! 

[Henrich]

Someone from VE should give their expert opinion

[Cypher]

Killzbob being an idiot? Colour me surprised. 

[James II]

Who is Valkyrie?

[Holton]

3 hours ago, Henrich said:

Someone from VE should give their expert opinion

Under-appreciated burn.

7 hours ago, Hope said:

press f for Valkyrie. how’s that democracy working out  

Yeah how is letting the players actually participate working out?

 

Drama, excitement, activity, possibly even fun??!?!?!?!?! Yeah dumb shit happens but that's par for the course when you're actually doing things. A lot better than most alliances can say these days.

[LostWorld]

this happened only because sheepy's alliance management system doesn't have the notion of democracy ... you primitive ignorant idiots

[Zaksaeling]

Primitive AND ignorant? Harsh. 

[Seeker]

10 hours ago, Henrich said:

Someone from VE should give their expert opinion

>make new alliance
>put "The" in front of original name
>profit

[Guest Epi]

52

Edited December 11, 2020 by Epi

[hadesflames]

11 hours ago, Raghav said:

so it's just another day in a fine democracy! 

I don't think you know what a democracy is.

[Apeman]

When your friends need you most you step back and cancel. Throw spies at them and disregard what is best for Valkyrie as a whole. Which ever way this plays out, they will need a friend. I get it SK, you only want to be friends when it's convenient and easy. Most protectorates are based in the assumption they will fail and merge. I get that also.

 

The arguments I have heard from both sides shows me one thing. A change was needed. Internal strife and policy laziness lead to this. Valkyrie had and has potential with some actual nourishment. 

 

In case you guys didn't read the other thread... I protect them now. Hostile actions will be discussed and prepared for. If you want to be involved in that then join the convo. Work with me to end this conflict or declare. The line is drawn

[Mikey]

34 minutes ago, Apeman said:

When your friends need you most you step back and cancel. Throw spies at them and disregard what is best for Valkyrie as a whole. Which ever way this plays out, they will need a friend. I get it SK, you only want to be friends when it's convenient and easy. Most protectorates are based in the assumption they will fail and merge. I get that also.

 

The arguments I have heard from both sides shows me one thing. A change was needed. Internal strife and policy laziness lead to this. Valkyrie had and has potential with some actual nourishment. 

 

In case you guys didn't read the other thread... I protect them now. Hostile actions will be discussed and prepared for. If you want to be involved in that then join the convo. Work with me to end this conflict or declare. The line is drawn

 

Says the man supporting a guy who literally betrayed his entire alliance. Our friends are currently standing by our side in SK while they work on how to respond to this. The Valkyrie we called friend doesn't exist anymore. It may be there in-game, but an alliance isn't just a tag, nor is it its gov. The heart of an alliance lies in its members. You take that away and you just have a husk, something I know quite well from the time SK existed as just me and Tenages idling in IRC between the death of PT and the rise of PW. Alliances play in different ways and hold different standards, but we are all trying to form communities and a group we can enjoy playing with. I dont really care about democracy or not in this game, but the members of Valkyrie chose that government, and when Killzbob cast it aside, he cast them aside. This can be plainly seen from how Valkyrie has cratered and lost almost every single active member since the coup.

Maybe I'm just sentimental from past experiences and overly focused on the community of alliances/guilds/clans in these multiplayer games. You can do whatever you want in politics, make and break alliances, launch wars, raid, try and dominate the game, consolidate, whatever. Doesn't matter to me on an OOC level because its all just part of the game, no reason to make things personal or talk about right and wrong. And while alliances are of course an integral part of the game, they are also communities in their own right, a place to make some friends to go along for the ride. Spying with fake accounts, coups, anything that poisens the communities themselves and the relationship between people outside the game has never sat right with me. Everyone has their own standards I suppose, but when you do something like this and !@#$ over the people you called friend and partner, you cross a line in my mind. I can't respect someone who would do that, nor those that would support them.

For someone who always talks a lot about brotherhood and looking after your brothers, its a shame to see you supporting someone who so ruthlessly backstabbed his own.

Edited November 9, 2017 by Mikey

[Apeman]

Would you let your brothers continue walking while approaching a cliff? I don't agree with the methods but more the statement. I don't agree with what, I just know they need help. When I was approached by some brothers, what kind of friend would I be if I turned them away? If you have never had to physically do something to protect something you care about then you are lucky. This was his liberation from shit leadership. What kinda of an ally would let them shit the bed? Would you let the captain order you drill a huge hole in the bottom of the ship? No you coup that sucka

 

OK it's all settled then, everyone who mattered is now in sk. See your plan worked. When it fails they merge. I get it. It's OK. So now that the plan worked out I expect this shit to stop. 

Edited November 9, 2017 by Apeman

[Mikey]

18 minutes ago, Apeman said:

Would you let your brothers continue walking while approaching a cliff? I don't agree with the methods but more the statement. I don't agree with what, I just know they need help. When I was approached by some brothers, what kind of friend would I be if I turned them away? If you have never had to physically do something to protect something you care about then you are lucky. This was his liberation from shit leadership. What kinda of an ally would let them shit the bed? Would you let the captain order you drill a huge hole in the bottom of the ship? No you coup that sucka

 

OK it's all settled then, everyone who mattered is now in sk. See your plan worked. When it fails they merge. I get it. It's OK. So now that the plan worked out I expect this shit to stop. 

Yes, he liberated his members from awful leadership, which is why all the members stayed right? Oh wait, there are only 3 people left in Valkryie who have logged in since the coup. It will be instructive to see what happen to the rest as they logged in and find what happened. Yes, Valkyrie had some leadership issues. We were trying to work with them on it. Maybe it would have worked, maybe not. Maybe the leadership should have stepped down. But that isn't my decision to make. it isn't your decision and it sure as hell isn't Killzbob decisions. That is Valkyries decision. All of Valkyrie.

You can shit talk Valks gov all you want as if it justifies this. I don't care about Valkyries gov. I didn't ally with a government. I drafted this treaty, and  it may have been Mannax, Andrew and Young who inked the page, but I didn't sign them. I signed Valkyrie, every last member. And if Valkyrie was behind this, if the members were in support of Bob and it was Andrew who had betrayed their trust, I would support his government. But they weren't, as is plainly obvious from how all their active members have left.

This is what you don't seem to understand. Valkyrie, in game, is just a name and a flag, all alliances are. We are nothing without the people as our foundation. I created SK, I formed us here and in PT. I hosted our forums, IRC and later Discord. But it was the people who joined me along the way, through the highs and lows, game resets, late night blitzes, the joking and dicking around on IRC and forums, it was those people who truly brought it to life. And the same is true of every alliance in this game. Maybe I am more acutely aware of it because of how many times PT went down, dispersing our members and leaving SK an empty husk. But think about the faces we associate with major alliances, where would those AAs be if it was just them? What would NK be if it was just you? t$ if it had just been Partisan? TKR if it was Lordship? Leaders will leave their mark on their alliances, shape a large part of their policy, and deserve credit for their successes. But it is their members who stand by them that make it work, that bring everything together.

These games are basic shells, they always have been. Its in the nature of being a text based browser game. The reason people have played and continue to play them is the community. Both the politics and the international community, but also the alliance community. The friends we make that keep us tethered here even after interest in the game itself wanes. When you betray your own members you betray everything that made your alliance, and this genre, worthwhile.

Edited November 9, 2017 by Mikey

[Apeman]

I'm pretty sure they all left cause they were scared you guys were gonna smash them. Them or the others who wanted easy targets. Giving the peeps a choice of joining or getting rolled isn't really doing what you elude to. If it was just parts tS would be hw. NK would be nk by myself or with others. Why fight this? You just got everyone that mattered right?

Edited November 9, 2017 by Apeman

[Mikey]

Alright, I tried, but you caught me. We actually orchestrated the coup and then threatened all of them to join our alliance or we'd attack them. Jeez I'm just as bad as Tenages was with this plotting thing...

[Squeegee]

9 minutes ago, Apeman said:

I'm pretty sure they all left cause they were scared you guys were gonna smash them. Them or the others who wanted easy targets. Giving the peeps a choice of joining or getting rolled isn't really doing what you elude to. If it was just parts tS would be hw. NK would be nk by myself or with others. Why fight this? You just got everyone that mattered right?

We didn’t force anyone from Valkyrie to join us, nor did we threaten them with war. This was a decision made by the previous government of Valkyrie, the government that most of their active membership recognizes. You can ask every single one of them who have interacted with us thus far and i am certain they will all say we’ve been nothing but welcoming. 

[Mikey]

6 minutes ago, Squeegee said:

We didn’t force anyone from Valkyrie to join us, nor did we threaten them with war. This was a decision made by the previous government of Valkyrie, the government that most of their active membership recognizes. You can ask every single one of them who have interacted with us thus far and i am certain they will all say we’ve been nothing but welcoming. 

No see we planned it all as part of an elaborate plan to maneuver them into a war with our enemies, grinding them both down so we could then strike at Valk after. Great ValkyriE war incoming.

Edited November 9, 2017 by Mikey

[丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™]

It's not like Valkyrie did much for SK, maybe a meatshield, but yeah. Let's see some last minute paper shredding before we get a Tanksgiving Dinner or Christmas War.