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Still a long way off the original collusion charges chimed around by the desperate Russiagate crowd. You put an investigation on any politician or businessman you're going to find something to use against them. Clinton was investigated for Whitewater and it ended up being about Monica Lewenski and her stained blue dress. 

Surprise most politicians and businessmen are corrupt what a shocker.

So looks like the Russians are NOT taking over and it was all a scheme to distract people from the original corruption revealed by Wikileaks about the DNC and Podesta.  So the left and right could come together in true bipartisanship to silence a truth teller Julian Assange. 

 

The propaganda parade about Trump being the center of all evil as if all the bad things our country does and is started only in Jan 2017 when Trump took office and will magically be vanquished once Voldermort/Dr Evil/Darth Sidious/Skeletor  is defeated then we can all go back to the egalitarian peaceful society we we're before is nothing short of wishful thinking and the stuff pipe dreams are made of.

If the essence of Americas modus operandi could be boiled down to a sentence Trump would be the exclamation mark at the end. Nothing is changed only highlighted .

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Zaxon said:

Still a long way off the original collusion charges chimed around by the desperate Russiagate crowd. You put an investigation on any politician or businessman you're going to find something to use against them. Clinton was investigated for Whitewater and it ended up being about Monica Lewenski and her stained blue dress. 

Surprise most politicians and businessmen are corrupt what a shocker.

So looks like the Russians are NOT taking over and it was all a scheme to distract people from the original corruption revealed by Wikileaks about the DNC and Podesta.  So the left and right could come together in true bipartisanship to silence a truth teller Julian Assange. 

 

The propaganda parade about Trump being the center of all evil as if all the bad things our country does and is started only in Jan 2017 when Trump took office and will magically be vanquished once Voldermort/Dr Evil/Darth Sidious/Skeletor  is defeated then we can all go back to the egalitarian peaceful society we we're before is nothing short of wishful thinking and the stuff pipe dreams are made of.

If the essence of Americas modus operandi could be boiled down to a sentence Trump would be the exclamation mark at the end. Nothing is changed only highlighted .

 

 

 

Remember, the Watergate investigation took 3 years. The Mueller investigation isn't over yet, it's barely been over a year. But I think it's safe to say when half of your administration is in jail or on their way for colluding with Russia, it gets harder and harder to say this "collusion" thing didn't happen. 

 

I disagree. The "American modus operandi" isn't just what Trump highlighted. On the contrary, I think Trump is the most un-American thing that has happened to this country in a long while. He is inherently un-republican and un-democratic. 

 

1. He attacks the free press and calls the institution which serves to bring truth to power an "enemy of the people." Any civic-minded American will tell you that the president does not have unlimited power and cannot control a free press. It's the reason why Fox News was the first network to come to the defense of Jim Acosta when he was recently ejected by Trump from conferences. Trump's attacks on the press is UNAMERICAN.

2. Furthermore, he cannot bring himself to condemn a prince of Arabia for the brutal murder of a US journalist and resident. May I remind you, when the Iranian revolution held 80 American embassy workers hostage, Iran knew that killing a single American would have brought the wrath of the most powerful military in human history down on their heads. Each and every American, by virtue of being citizen to the most powerful nation in human history, should have the full weight of $800-billion-a-year military-industrial complex behind their every step in a foreign country. Civis Americanus Sum. The fact that Trump hasn't threatened crippling economic sanctions or the carpet bombing of Riyadh over the death of one of our own is inherently UNAMERICAN

3. Furthermore, the office of the president is a civil servant position. It is a thankless task that at least half the country hates you for and dramatically ages your very soul. True servants of the public surrender their own petty self-interests in service of the nation and it is why every single man and woman under the flag salutes him. The fact that Trump did not step away from his businesses and allowed foreign dignitaries to give him money at his new international hotel in DC is UNAMERICAN.

 

The list goes on. Trump even once said that Xi Jingping's unlimited terms of office was something "maybe America should do too." No one with at least a shred of love for this nation would dare to say that, especially if someone was actually the President of the United States of America, jokingly or not. 

 

So no, Trump is not America's "highlighted modus operandi." He is a dark stain on our nation's history that generations will remember as a time when the republic was threatened and a third of the country did nothing; highlighting the fragility of the Great Experiment and a dearth of decent men.

 

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8 hours ago, Caecus said:

Remember, the Watergate investigation took 3 years. The Mueller investigation isn't over yet, it's barely been over a year. But I think it's safe to say when half of your administration is in jail or on their way for colluding with Russia, it gets harder and harder to say this "collusion" thing didn't happen. 

 

I disagree. The "American modus operandi" isn't just what Trump highlighted. On the contrary, I think Trump is the most un-American thing that has happened to this country in a long while. He is inherently un-republican and un-democratic.

A lot of people have been locked up for making false statements to the FBI and other technicalities no one has been caught directly colluding. The one guy Rick Gates who got charged with "conspiracy " had nothing to do with 2016 election but was one of offenses involve false statements or misrepresentations of financial and lobbying activity.

This is all run of the mil corruption you could find on most of the corrupt politicians business leaders and their associates if you put high profile microscope on them. 

 

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1. He attacks the free press and calls the institution which serves to bring truth to power an "enemy of the people." Any civic-minded American will tell you that the president does not have unlimited power and cannot control a free press. It's the reason why Fox News was the first network to come to the defense of Jim Acosta when he was recently ejected by Trump from conferences. Trump's attacks on the press is UNAMERICAN.

Let's be honest here the American press is hardly about bringing truth to power as this is the same media that cheered on the Iraq war uncritically and currently acts as stenographers for the Pentagon and Intelligence agencies while giving a platform to non scientist climate deniers on the same stage as scientist and then playing it down the middle. 

The same press which fires guys who had it right like Donahue for questioning the Iraq war policy but decries Acosta superficial grandstanding press credentials being withheld  and within weeks fires another journalist Marc Lamont for speaking up for Palestinian rights at the same time they continue to ignore Julian Assange treatment is really telling.

Their not watchdogs to power their lapdogs !   There is a reason why when Trump calls them fake news it resonates if only a little with people.

 

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2. Furthermore, he cannot bring himself to condemn a prince of Arabia for the brutal murder of a US journalist and resident. May I remind you, when the Iranian revolution held 80 American embassy workers hostage, Iran knew that killing a single American would have brought the wrath of the most powerful military in human history down on their heads. Each and every American, by virtue of being citizen to the most powerful nation in human history, should have the full weight of $800-billion-a-year military-industrial complex behind their every step in a foreign country. Civis Americanus Sum. The fact that Trump hasn't threatened crippling economic sanctions or the carpet bombing of Riyadh over the death of one of our own is inherently UNAMERICAN

Again the arrangement with Saudi Arabia is nothing new we have been selling them weapons all the while the bombing in Yemen was going on and the humanitarian crisis being ignored by the mainstream media and secondly it's never been confirmed that the Prince called for the execution but allegations seem to be the same as definitive proof these days.

The fact this hit was carried out in an Saudi embassy a place under surveillance with a bone-saw shows how sloppy and amateur B-Team this was and not likely the Prince himself but those in the faction against the Prince looking to remove him from power. On top of the fact Turkey's Edrogan is hardly a champion of the free press in his own country but magically he has a video tape and a supposed recording conveniently solving the case at the ready wow so CSI . 

Firstly the Prince spent some time in the US talking to business leaders trying to improve foreign relations and showcase himself as being a reformer. Why would he risk all his new found credibility by carrying out such a foolish and sloppy action which obviously would blow back in his face.

Do you really think with all the money he has if he really wanted to he couldn't get a professional to get rid of this guy quietly in a hotel room or at a restaurant make it look like an accident why make it so obvious in your own embassy it's like your asking to be caught may as well take a selfie.  Who wins from this, the other ousted princes cause the call for regime change is in the air.

 

Also compare this to the Israeli defense forces in broad daylight sniping medics and people with vests that say PRESS in bold letters with impunity and no call for regime change there.  However if your one the establishment medias beloved own insiders like Khashoggi or Acosta they cry out but Julian Assange facing a potential DOJ indictment gets no support from the same so called "free press".

 

 

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3. Furthermore, the office of the president is a civil servant position. It is a thankless task that at least half the country hates you for and dramatically ages your very soul. True servants of the public surrender their own petty self-interests in service of the nation and it is why every single man and woman under the flag salutes him. The fact that Trump did not step away from his businesses and allowed foreign dignitaries to give him money at his new international hotel in DC is UNAMERICAN.

This sounds like it came straight out of the boy scouts manual. Again no surprise here people in government profiteering did you not know about Dick Cheney &  Hailburtan during the Iraq war. The Clinton's have been making speeches to Russian Banks and getting millions in donations from dictators like Sasudi Kings to their "foundation".  How about US banks being fined $204 billion during 2009-2016 lol corporate corruption is about as American as you can get these days.


 

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The list goes on. Trump even once said that Xi Jingping's unlimited terms of office was something "maybe America should do too." No one with at least a shred of love for this nation would dare to say that, especially if someone was actually the President of the United States of America, jokingly or not. 

 

So no, Trump is not America's "highlighted modus operandi." He is a dark stain on our nation's history that generations will remember as a time when the republic was threatened and a third of the country did nothing; highlighting the fragility of the Great Experiment and a dearth of decent men.

 

OMG Trump says inappropriate things and hes rude omg that must make him the worst ever lol. Lets just whitewash George W Bush's war crimes lying us into a war that lead to the death of 1 million Iraqi's and thousands of US troops. It destabilized the region and they tortured innocent people some of which may still be detained even today with no chance of being released. Yeah but Bush hinted at being anti-Trump so let's just rehabilitate him and welcome him back to polite society.

 

Americas history has always been dark from the slaughter of Native Americans to the enslavement of Blacks and Jim Crow laws to the CIA backed coups and killing democratically elected officials, the training of death squads in S America to prop up dictators,  the 85+ elections America meddled in ,  the irrational anti-communist/socialist fever fueled arrests (Woodrrow Wilson pushed for laws that would criminalize opinions via the Sedition Act of 1918) (Palmer Raids) (Smith Act) and killings that gutted unions and climaxed in McCarthyism , FBI infiltration of civil rights movements, to the Gulf of Tonkin lie that led to the Vietnam war and leapfrogging forward to the latest catastrophes of Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now Yemen.

So unless you've been living in a bubble the current on goings of Trump tweeting and saying means things are hardly the worst America has had to endure. The problem is people have not been informed about what our country has really been up to because America is country in deep denial about its past and present and the corporate media is not interested in informing you only in manufacturing consent to keep the status quo going.

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17 hours ago, Caecus said:

It's the reason why Fox News was the first network to come to the defense of Jim Acosta when he was recently ejected by Trump from conferences. 

Alternatively, Fox saw the precedent it set and didn't want to be insta-banned by any future Democratic president.

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2 hours ago, Zaxon said:

A lot of people have been locked up for making false statements to the FBI and other technicalities no one has been caught directly colluding. The one guy Rick Gates who got charged with "conspiracy " had nothing to do with 2016 election but was one of offenses involve false statements or misrepresentations of financial and lobbying activity.

This is all run of the mil corruption you could find on most of the corrupt politicians business leaders and their associates if you put high profile microscope on them. 

You make it sound like every administration has 10 people jailed on fraud and conspiracy. Nope, just Trump's. 

2 hours ago, Zaxon said:

Let's be honest here the American press is hardly about bringing truth to power as this is the same media that cheered on the Iraq war uncritically and currently acts as stenographers for the Pentagon and Intelligence agencies while giving a platform to non scientist climate deniers on the same stage as scientist and then playing it down the middle. 

The same press which fires guys who had it right like Donahue for questioning the Iraq war policy but decries Acosta superficial grandstanding press credentials being withheld  and within weeks fires another journalist Marc Lamont for speaking up for Palestinian rights at the same time they continue to ignore Julian Assange treatment is really telling.

Their not watchdogs to power their lapdogs !   There is a reason why when Trump calls them fake news it resonates if only a little with people.

Donahue was fired because all those liberal cucks at CNBC didn't have the spine to tell the Bush administration to fu.ck off when they asked them to reduce bad media coverage on the Iraq war. Only children would think that there could ever be a world where media was a perfect institution free from corporate and political interests. Nonetheless, people rely on the media to get news of things that don't happen in their backyard, and to point out one flaw of a system and calling its destruction is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. By that logic, the US government !@#$ up quite a few times, but do we all go onto the streets demanding total anarchy?

2 hours ago, Zaxon said:

Again the arrangement with Saudi Arabia is nothing new we have been selling them weapons all the while the bombing in Yemen was going on and the humanitarian crisis being ignored by the mainstream media and secondly it's never been confirmed that the Prince called for the execution but allegations seem to be the same as definitive proof these days.

The fact this hit was carried out in an Saudi embassy a place under surveillance with a bone-saw shows how sloppy and amateur B-Team this was and not likely the Prince himself but those in the faction against the Prince looking to remove him from power. On top of the fact Turkey's Edrogan is hardly a champion of the free press in his own country but magically he has a video tape and a supposed recording conveniently solving the case at the ready wow so CSI . 

Firstly the Prince spent some time in the US talking to business leaders trying to improve foreign relations and showcase himself as being a reformer. Why would he risk all his new found credibility by carrying out such a foolish and sloppy action which obviously would blow back in his face.

Do you really think with all the money he has if he really wanted to he couldn't get a professional to get rid of this guy quietly in a hotel room or at a restaurant make it look like an accident why make it so obvious in your own embassy it's like your asking to be caught may as well take a selfie.  Who wins from this, the other ousted princes cause the call for regime change is in the air

Sure, except everyone in the American intelligence community agrees that the prince had his hand in the affair. And people who know a lot more than you or me (i.e., Senate Intel Com) have already agreed to push sanctions. The only person who doesn't seem to know any better is Trump. I wonder, could it be that Trump may have... oh, I don't know... a conflict of interest?

Also, you somehow think that the Saudis are A. Competent and B. Have foresight. What makes you think the Saudi's are not a bunch of amateurs? What makes you think that the prince isn't a short-sighted dumb frick who thinks he can get away with murdering a US journalist? You've jumped through all these hoops to absolve the Saudis of any blame without giving a single piece of evidence why, outside of your inherently flawed belief that the Saudis are competent and have foresight. 

2 hours ago, Zaxon said:

This sounds like it came straight out of the boy scouts manual. Again no surprise here people in government profiteering did you not know about Dick Cheney &  Hailburtan during the Iraq war. The Clinton's have been making speeches to Russian Banks and getting millions in donations from dictators like Sasudi Kings to their "foundation".  How about US banks being fined $204 billion during 2009-2016 lol corporate corruption is about as American as you can get these days.

OMG Trump says inappropriate things and hes rude omg that must make him the worst ever lol. Lets just whitewash George W Bush's war crimes lying us into a war that lead to the death of 1 million Iraqi's and thousands of US troops. It destabilized the region and they tortured innocent people some of which may still be detained even today with no chance of being released. Yeah but Bush hinted at being anti-Trump so let's just rehabilitate him and welcome him back to polite society.

Americas history has always been dark from the slaughter of Native Americans to the enslavement of Blacks and Jim Crow laws to the CIA backed coups and killing democratically elected officials, the training of death squads in S America to prop up dictators,  the 85+ elections America meddled in ,  the irrational anti-communist/socialist fever fueled arrests (Woodrrow Wilson pushed for laws that would criminalize opinions via the Sedition Act of 1918) (Palmer Raids) (Smith Act) and killings that gutted unions and climaxed in McCarthyism , FBI infiltration of civil rights movements, to the Gulf of Tonkin lie that led to the Vietnam war and leapfrogging forward to the latest catastrophes of Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now Yemen.

So unless you've been living in a bubble the current on goings of Trump tweeting and saying means things are hardly the worst America has had to endure. The problem is people have not been informed about what our country has really been up to because America is country in deep denial about its past and present and the corporate media is not interested in informing you only in manufacturing consent to keep the status quo going.

This is the common defense that Trump supporters give. "But what about this person? Everyone is shit, so we're okay with this." It's a sad defense anchored in pessimism and indifference. I thought Trump supporters liked him because he promised to "Drain the Swamp" and remove corruption from DC, not bring it in. I thought Trump supporters liked Trump because he promised to "Make America Great Again," not subject to the interests of foreign powers. I thought Trump supporters liked Trump because he was going to stick stick it to Wall Street, not bring its CEOs to make fiscal policy. 

I thought Trump supporters supported Trump because he promised change and a better future. What happened?

 

 

Here is where we agree: America's history is dark. But like you have just done today, we look back on those parts of our history with disappointment and disdain, wondering why the contemporaries and their actions are so inherently against the values of freedom and democracy that the United States claims as its creed. All I'm saying is, your children will one day learn about this period of time and wonder the same thing about you. 

 

17 minutes ago, WISD0MTREE said:

Alternatively, Fox saw the precedent it set and didn't want to be insta-banned by any future Democratic president.

Presumably because they saw the writing on the wall when the 2018 midterms rolled around. 

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very few generations, we Americans are called upon to defend our country. To defend it not so much from foreign dictators or war or terrorism, but from those here who have no commitment to progress or democracy or representative government—no commitment to anything except their own out-of-control minds and the bottomless pits of their egos.

Our society has thrown up these people before: Joseph McCarthy. George Wallace. Father Coughlin. Jefferson Davis. Aaron Burr. The Know-Nothings. The Blacklisters. The America-Firsters. And we have always thrown them out.

And now our generation has its own: the most dangerous individual ever nominated by a major party for the highest office in this country.

His base wants few details and fewer facts; they just want to burn it down and blame their failures on the collective other. And Donald John Trump is their demonic messiah in Oompa Loompa's clothing.

We must stop him.

It is not pleasant.

It is not fair that we have to do this.

But it is our turn.

The Emperor's New Clothes quality to the Trump campaign has survived these 15 months because, as we react to each outrage, our shock and revulsion have been refracted like light through a prism.

But these outrages are not separate events, not even a pattern.

They are, simply, Donald Trump.

Seen all at once, they—and he—are horrifying.

You must see them "all at once."

Thus—in brief—the story so far:

The Republican party has actually nominated for president a man who attacked the Pope.

Who attacked John McCain for being captured by the North Vietnamese.

Who attacked Gold Star parents Khizr and Ghazala Khan and then juxtaposed their names with the phrase "Radical Islamic Terrorism."

Who attacked Hillary Clinton as a "bigot." Who attacked her as "brainwashed." As "unhinged." As "a monster." As "the devil." As "the most corrupt candidate ever"—showing her face on piles of hundred-dollar bills and the Star of David.

Who attacked her as someone whom "Second Amendment people" should do something about. As someone whose religion "we don't know anything about"—after he explained he had never asked God for forgiveness.

Who attacked President Obama and implied he was a traitor. Who attacked him as having been complicit in the Orlando terrorist attack. Who attacked him for having lower approval ratings than Vladimir Putin, as if Putin's could be trusted. Who attacked him as being born in another country. Who attacked him as the founder of ISIS, then said it was sarcasm, then said it wasn't sarcasm, then attacked him again as the founder of ISis 

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7 hours ago, dracodogs said:

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I usually don't post in or engage in these arguments because my views are highly atypical, but I have to call this out...

While the substance of your post is valid on a lot of levels, you straight up repeated a copypasta? That's not progress, that's actually the exact opposite. It's the unthinking copypasta culture that's not merely allowing partisan extremism but outright forcing it, on all sides. The spoiler effect is bad enough but when the concept is applied to an environment of memes and sensationalism, it becomes exponentially worse since only the most extreme extremists have a chance to succeed.

After all, if they don't, the other sides' extremists might win, and we can't have that! Better to surrender SOME of our principles to extremists than ALL of our principles. As you can obviously see, that pattern iterated repeatedly erodes principles just as surely as accepting defeat.

Yes, Trump is indeed the demon of the extreme right. But it's not the demon that we have to fear, since every time he tries to do something even slightly moderate, he's forced back into the alt-right pattern. And yes, even I'm willing to admit he's tried, at least wherein the issue in question hasn't threatened his business interests or his autocratic agenda. But the demon is on a leash; all of them are. Any attempt to go back to moderate, away from extremism, is a loss to be exploited by the extremists on both sides, by saying he's weak, or saying he's not red enough, a RINO, or "since even he's unwilling to commit to the platform, vote for our platform". There's no individual to blame for this; it is a consequence of the mathematics. It's a consequence of the copypasta culture. It's a consequence of taking memes as reality. And all partisanship cannot escape this, not until we upgrade at least to the single transferable vote and/or the ranked vote. Otherwise we're just screwed.

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6 hours ago, dracodogs said:

And Donald John Trump is their demonic messiah in Oompa Loompa's clothing. 

Better than a tan suit.

7 hours ago, Caecus said:

Presumably because they saw the writing on the wall when the 2018 midterms rolled around.  

Probably, granted it was far from a "blue wave."

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12 hours ago, WISD0MTREE said:

Better than a tan suit.

Probably, granted it was far from a "blue wave."

Sure, but major gains in the house were made in Michigan, Penn, and Virginia. Not to mention Orange County. Places that Trump needed to win the electoral college. That doesn't look good for Trump's prospects in 2020, entirely throwing out the legal troubles he's found himself in. 

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Just want to point out that the title of this thread did not age will. Assuming that it takes more than 14 days start-to-finish, on an impeachment process (he aint resigning)

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21 minutes ago, Paul Warburg said:

Just want to point out that the title of this thread did not age will. Assuming that it takes more than 14 days start-to-finish, on an impeachment process (he aint resigning)

Why, I say good sir! You have extraordinary observation skills! Perhaps you can tell me what color the sun is after you directly stare at it for half an hour.

 

Some people say it turns green, or blue. Not that any of them can tell me what is green or blue anymore. 

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1 minute ago, Caecus said:

Why, I say good sir! You have extraordinary observation skills! Perhaps you can tell me what color the sun is after you directly stare at it for half an hour.

 

Some people say it turns green, or blue. Not that any of them can tell me what is green or blue anymore. 

It turns BLACK! 

Thats the answer

reasoning (since i care about you....annoying you)- YOU TURN BLIND!!!! Jokes on you now!!!

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9 hours ago, Paul Warburg said:

It turns BLACK! 

Thats the answer

reasoning (since i care about you....annoying you)- YOU TURN BLIND!!!! Jokes on you now!!!

OH YEAH?!

No, no no, son. Caecus means blind in Latin. I'M ALREADY BLIND! THE JOKES ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!! MUWAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA

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Phew guys have you seen his Twitter lately? He’s flying off the rails. Never was a fan of trump but anyone in their right mind can tell he’s not right.

Can we talk about how he is still attacking McCain. The dude is dead. What ever happened to respect for the dead? Is horrifying honestly.

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4 hours ago, 8472 said:

Phew guys have you seen his Twitter lately

29 tweets on Sunday is a lot, but this isn't a new thing. 
 

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2 hours ago, Ryan1 said:

29 tweets on Sunday is a lot, but this isn't a new thing. 
 

The number is nothing new but it’s more what he’s been saying that’s been more and more... no other word for it other than insane. Never before has he started making an enemy out of Fox.

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