Dio Brando Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 @Kastor woah dude, back off. That "FTFY" gig is mine. Accurate tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryleh Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Kastor said: "We lost the war and gov was split, since there was no sole leader we ended up leaving. This is why dual leadership and triumvirates rarely work." From my time in Zodiac gov, it's actually the most peaceful/agreeing group gov wise i've found Also salty much? Edited July 9, 2017 by Ryleh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosmokenny Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Dont mind Kastor, hes just trying to draw lines for his third sphere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezzers Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 7 hours ago, Kastor said: "Aeyrs realized we were all shit and told me it'd be better to resign. My war skills and war leadership was terrible during the war because I've only ridden TKR's coattails every war. Now we're going to do AIM until we delete." Maybe you can't read, I distinctly remember saying I wasn't active this war because it was right over my exams? Bear in mind that aerys resigned and left before me because he was also busy irl, but I stayed on to make sure everything was settled and pretty much back to pre war levels before I did so. 1 Quote Roll Squeegee pact with Redarmy and Ameyuri Blues Brothers pact with Redarmy Leader of the Elyion Resistance. If it's backed by NPO, you know it's evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 8 hours ago, Bezzers said: Maybe you can't read, I distinctly remember saying I wasn't active this war because it was right over my exams? Bear in mind that aerys resigned and left before me because he was also busy irl, but I stayed on to make sure everything was settled and pretty much back to pre war levels before I did so. Was wondering where tf he went I thought he changed his name to Julia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezzers Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Kastor said: Was wondering where tf he went I thought he changed his name to Julia. https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=12453 ^ thats aerys now, he just rebranded and kinda pops in from time to time. Quote Roll Squeegee pact with Redarmy and Ameyuri Blues Brothers pact with Redarmy Leader of the Elyion Resistance. If it's backed by NPO, you know it's evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Bezzers said: https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=12453 ^ thats aerys now, he just rebranded and kinda pops in from time to time. Haha, wow. I was wondering who Bot was. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguar Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Grats lads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maia Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Buorhann said: Haha, wow. I was wondering who Bot was. Not exactly, check this out https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyyFJLGt-0AEys8OrTs-2Ew-zMF_xuPdys1KjRHsqOc/mobilebasic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Julia Maia said: Not exactly, check this out https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyyFJLGt-0AEys8OrTs-2Ew-zMF_xuPdys1KjRHsqOc/mobilebasic Damdaka: That was a good move! As a leader, please share the moment you felt proud of the alliance. Aerys : it was when we fought Mensa last war. We fought great, more than our expectations. We went in with SK, but they lost their military because of TKR counter, but we went on and pinned them down, then Hogwarts entered and destroyed our military, after which we again got back and destroyed Mensa's military a lot, we tied more than 15 members down even while at a disadvantage. That was when I felt proud about Zodiac/ Another moment was, when we were building up, our build up was faster than other alliances. It shows we are more responsive than others Lol. "Disadvantage" >First strike advantage >3 or 4 to 1 odds on your opponent >"fought better than our expectations" >Tied 15 members out of a 38 active member alliance >"Disadvantage" wew lad, that must've been some awfully low expectations 5 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezzers Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 7 hours ago, Buorhann said: Damdaka: That was a good move! As a leader, please share the moment you felt proud of the alliance. Aerys : it was when we fought Mensa last war. We fought great, more than our expectations. We went in with SK, but they lost their military because of TKR counter, but we went on and pinned them down, then Hogwarts entered and destroyed our military, after which we again got back and destroyed Mensa's military a lot, we tied more than 15 members down even while at a disadvantage. That was when I felt proud about Zodiac/ Another moment was, when we were building up, our build up was faster than other alliances. It shows we are more responsive than others Lol. "Disadvantage" >First strike advantage >3 or 4 to 1 odds on your opponent >"fought better than our expectations" >Tied 15 members out of a 38 active member alliance >"Disadvantage" wew lad, that must've been some awfully low expectations You gotta remember half our alliance couldn't actually fight you, none of the low tier could reach you really. Other than that, I really can't be bothered to go through this debate again, it's very clear that it won't go anywhere. Quote Roll Squeegee pact with Redarmy and Ameyuri Blues Brothers pact with Redarmy Leader of the Elyion Resistance. If it's backed by NPO, you know it's evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 >none of the low tier could fight >still had first strike advantage to zero out military >zeroed out military would drop score >low tier could then fight and pin players down >"half our alliance couldn't fight you" >Ok, 2 to 1 odds still with first strike What exactly would you debate? That Zodiac was fighting a uphill battle that they initiated? 2 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I, for one, dgaf about ^ bait Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eumirbago Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 There is no aim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 hour ago, fistofdoom said: I, for one, can't refute any of this so I'll just say it's bait. FYP Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryleh Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Buorhann said: I am unable to comprehend how FistofDoom or anyone outside of my sphere thinks, but tries to anyway. FTFY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiri Arch Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 9 hours ago, Buorhann said: >none of the low tier could fight >still had first strike advantage to zero out military >zeroed out military would drop score >low tier could then fight and pin players down >"half our alliance couldn't fight you" >Ok, 2 to 1 odds still with first strike What exactly would you debate? That Zodiac was fighting a uphill battle that they initiated? >none of the low tier could fight Tell me exactly how 8 city nations will fight 16, 17 or even 18 city nations unless the higher city nations were zeroed or maybe have 1 day where they bought. >still had first strike advantage to zero out military Cant refute that. >zeroed out military would drop score Cant refute facts. >low tier could then fight and pin players down Didn't happen because Hogwarts zeroed us before we could kill enough military for our lower guys to start to pin you down. >"half our alliance couldn't fight you" Id say it was over half, way over half. A huge percent of our alliance when the war started was 7-10 cities, we was a low tier alliance. We had nearly 100 members at the start. Our upper tier was limited to maybe 30 members, with maybe half of that 30 being 14 cities. We didn't have a major upper tier, what we did have was spread out in ranges. I don't remember exact numbers, nor do I care enough to go and look at old spreadsheets. >Ok, 2 to 1 odds still with first strike I honestly don't remember how much members SK had going in on the blitz, so I'm not really going to argue that except that we might have had 2-1 odds for a few hours until TKR finished its counter on SK, and then a day later nearly all of Zodiacs upper tier, the only people who could effectively fight Mensa, were zeroed by Hogwarts. Hogwarts blitzing us is a fact I think you downplay to make us look bad, or to make yourself look good, either one. Did I bite the bait well enough? 1 Quote Officer Nasty reporting for duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Arkiri Arch said: >none of the low tier could fight Tell me exactly how 8 city nations will fight 16, 17 or even 18 city nations unless the higher city nations were zeroed or maybe have 1 day where they bought. >still had first strike advantage to zero out military Cant refute that. >zeroed out military would drop score Cant refute facts. >low tier could then fight and pin players down Didn't happen because Hogwarts zeroed us before we could kill enough military for our lower guys to start to pin you down. >"half our alliance couldn't fight you" Id say it was over half, way over half. A huge percent of our alliance when the war started was 7-10 cities, we was a low tier alliance. We had nearly 100 members at the start. Our upper tier was limited to maybe 30 members, with maybe half of that 30 being 14 cities. We didn't have a major upper tier, what we did have was spread out in ranges. I don't remember exact numbers, nor do I care enough to go and look at old spreadsheets. >Ok, 2 to 1 odds still with first strike I honestly don't remember how much members SK had going in on the blitz, so I'm not really going to argue that except that we might have had 2-1 odds for a few hours until TKR finished its counter on SK, and then a day later nearly all of Zodiacs upper tier, the only people who could effectively fight Mensa, were zeroed by Hogwarts. Hogwarts blitzing us is a fact I think you downplay to make us look bad, or to make yourself look good, either one. Did I bite the bait well enough? Why would you put your mouth on anything of borrowham's? Nasty. Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiri Arch Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 27 minutes ago, fistofdoom said: Why would you put your mouth on anything of borrowham's? Nasty. Wish I could put my mouth on that fat hippo <3 1 Quote Officer Nasty reporting for duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 4 hours ago, Arkiri Arch said: >none of the low tier could fight Tell me exactly how 8 city nations will fight 16, 17 or even 18 city nations unless the higher city nations were zeroed or maybe have 1 day where they bought. >still had first strike advantage to zero out military Cant refute that. >zeroed out military would drop score Cant refute facts. >low tier could then fight and pin players down Didn't happen because Hogwarts zeroed us before we could kill enough military for our lower guys to start to pin you down. >"half our alliance couldn't fight you" Id say it was over half, way over half. A huge percent of our alliance when the war started was 7-10 cities, we was a low tier alliance. We had nearly 100 members at the start. Our upper tier was limited to maybe 30 members, with maybe half of that 30 being 14 cities. We didn't have a major upper tier, what we did have was spread out in ranges. I don't remember exact numbers, nor do I care enough to go and look at old spreadsheets. >Ok, 2 to 1 odds still with first strike I honestly don't remember how much members SK had going in on the blitz, so I'm not really going to argue that except that we might have had 2-1 odds for a few hours until TKR finished its counter on SK, and then a day later nearly all of Zodiacs upper tier, the only people who could effectively fight Mensa, were zeroed by Hogwarts. Hogwarts blitzing us is a fact I think you downplay to make us look bad, or to make yourself look good, either one. Did I bite the bait well enough? The main thing I have an issue with on this forum is the lack of a easy way to spoiler shit so it's not a huge wall of text. Back on topic, we've done 8-10 city nations pinning down 14+ city nations before early in our careers. It's possible. Plus the stated fact in that interview shows that Aerys was proud of the alliance pinning 15 of our 30ish nations down (I'd argue this too, but you guys did pin some of us down - I just don't remember the exact number, unless he's also counting our inactives). So the potential was very easily there. Plus IQ did have a strat on dragging nations down and keeping them down. With SK, you guys had easily 4-1 odds on us in numbers. Without SK, it was 3ish to 1 odds on us. We were very easily outnumbered. We also were mostly tied down with you guys the entirety of the war, while also sparing some nations to destroy some crucial targets elsewhere. (Yes, Hogwarts assistance benefited us greatly with making things much more manageable to give some breathing room to people) The main problem Zodiac suffered from is that we noticed only a select few nations kept building up to continue the fight, while the majority pretty much had quit once they got zeroed out. It made it really easy for us to maneuver around, help other allies on select crucial targets, and maintain a breathing room with some members. Also allowed us to focus more on bailing nations out that got pinned down. I won't lie, it was a fun fight, but had your member nations kept pushing us - we'd have eventually caved I'm sure of it. There's only so much suicide strikes a nation can take before they're done. I'm just surprised that Aerys worded his interview reply as a way that it came off he had severely low expectations when he had two advantages going for him (Numbers and First Strike). You give those advantages to Mensa, and we'd be on a rampage. 4 hours ago, fistofdoom said: Why would you put your mouth on anything of borrowham's? Nasty. That's a new one. Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 5 hours ago, Ryleh said: FTFY I mean, you're not wrong with that fixed post. Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Only point I'll counter with is that it is harder to updeclare nowadays and with ships being a strat scores are now higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 7 hours ago, Kastor said: Only point I'll counter with is that it is harder to updeclare nowadays and with ships being a strat scores are now higher. How so? Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Going back and reading that News article, that's actually well done. Would be nice to have a Orbis wide News article similar to that. So whoever is organizing that, kudos to that person. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maia Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, Buorhann said: Going back and reading that News article, that's actually well done. Would be nice to have a Orbis wide News article similar to that. So whoever is organizing that, kudos to that person. Here you have all info https://zodiacpnw.wordpress.com/zodiac-times/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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