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Anyone here under the age of 35 and make more than $200,000 a year? No?

 

You are all !@#$ed if the senate bill makes it through. 

It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose.

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To think. The Democrats could be nailing the Republicans all over the place with Trumpcare and other silly crap. Trump himself has called it mean and largely doesn't know what is in it which is perhaps for the best if the little he knows he thinks is mean. Whatever he thinks it'll be his duty to support it and all the damage that could do to his support (as in real damage, not that fake news damage).

Nah, the Democrats would rather just keep bleating about a Communist infiltration conspiracy that would make Alex Jones blush while crossing their finger for a magical impeachment to happen.

When the Republicans have nothing solid to attack they come up with conspiracies that actually work in degrading their opponents. Seeing that it seems the Democrats have decided to come up with conspiracies themselves (to no effect) when they have all manners of avenues of solid attack available to them. 

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3 hours ago, Rozalia said:

To think. The Democrats could be nailing the Republicans all over the place with Trumpcare and other silly crap. Trump himself has called it mean and largely doesn't know what is in it which is perhaps for the best if the little he knows he thinks is mean. Whatever he thinks it'll be his duty to support it and all the damage that could do to his support (as in real damage, not that fake news damage).

Nah, the Democrats would rather just keep bleating about a Communist infiltration conspiracy that would make Alex Jones blush while crossing their finger for a magical impeachment to happen.

When the Republicans have nothing solid to attack they come up with conspiracies that actually work in degrading their opponents. Seeing that it seems the Democrats have decided to come up with conspiracies themselves (to no effect) when they have all manners of avenues of solid attack available to them. 

Oh my! No full-throated support of Trump? Are you suggesting that Trump is incompetent and doesn't even read the bills he is suppose to support? Are you suggesting that Trump is ignorant of the healthcare process? I thought I would never see the day. Shame on you Roz for betraying the one true Trump. 

 

It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose.

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4 hours ago, Rozalia said:

Nah, the Democrats would rather just keep bleating about a Communist infiltration conspiracy (Where are they doing this? that would make Alex Jones blush while crossing their finger for a magical impeachment to happen. Already in process.

When the Republicans have nothing solid to attack they come up with conspiracies that actually work in degrading their opponents. Seeing that it seems the Democrats have decided to come up with conspiracies themselves (to no effect) when they have all manners of avenues of solid attack available to them. They're really just doing what the GOP does to democratic presidents.I hope Trump is never able to appoint any judges or SC justices during his term and fervently hope everything else Trump wants is blocked.

 

 

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3 hours ago, ComradeMilton said:

Where are they doing this?

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/10/politics/donald-trump-russia/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/09/politics/trump-russia-meeting-campaign/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/10/politics/trump-knowledge-meeting-natalia-veselnitskaya/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/politics/russians-trump-campaign-information/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/10/politics/trump-politics-week-washington/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/politics/russia-spy-recruitment-tactics-fbi-carter-page/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/12/politics/trump-carter-page-russia-devin-nunes/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/10/us/five-things-july-10-trnd/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/06/26/three-cnn-employees-resign-over-retracted-story-on-russia-ties/?utm_term=.da95463c2a26

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/kremlin-denies-knowing-of-donald-trump-jr-meeting-with-russian-lawyer-during-2016-campaign/2017/07/10/c2bfee34-6566-11e7-a1d7-9a32c91c6f40_story.html?utm_term=.7d906e787935

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-administration-moves-to-return-russian-compounds-in-maryland-and-new-york/2017/05/31/3c4778d2-4616-11e7-98cd-af64b4fe2dfc_story.html?utm_term=.400cbffc9df9

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/10/5-big-questions-after-the-bombshell-about-donald-trump-jr-and-the-russian-lawyer/?utm_term=.52ebb30143a4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-ambassador-told-moscow-that-kushner-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/2017/05/26/520a14b4-422d-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.f2c9d379d834

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/presidents-son-met-with-russian-lawyer-during-presidential-campaign-after-being-promised-information-helpful-to-fathers-effort/2017/07/09/90c0e3e8-64e9-11e7-8eb5-cbccc2e7bfbf_story.html?utm_term=.41d89fac3966

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/10/here-are-the-times-that-trump-allies-have-denied-or-obscured-links-to-russian-agents/?utm_term=.71fa42331a66

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/07/07/trump-may-claim-he-won-the-u-s-russia-meeting-but-putin-probably-benefits-more/?utm_term=.e3712e2e8905

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/trump-russia/?utm_term=.9e69216ad894

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-russia-meeting_us_59637b59e4b0d5b458ebdd34

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-jr-russian-lawyer_us_59636504e4b02e9bdb0deb58

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-jr-met-with-russian-lawyer-after-being-promised-damaging-intel-on-hillary-clinton-report_us_59629482e4b0615b9e926ea0

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nikki-haley-contradicts-trump-russian-election-meddling_us_596117b8e4b02e9bdb0d022b

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-jr-hires-new-york-lawyer-for-russia-probes-report_us_5963dba1e4b03f144e2cf79b

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-cyber-security-pact-russia_us_5962da4ae4b02e9bdb0d976e

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sarah-huckabee-sanders-donald-trump-jr_us_5963d9d6e4b03f144e2cf47b

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-putin-g20_us_59622991e4b0d5b458eb03ad

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/us/politics/rob-goldstone-russia-trump.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/time-to-move-forward-trump-says-after-putin-denies-election-hacking.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/07/us/politics/trump-russia-flynn-kushner.html

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004554934/donald-trumps-russian-connections.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/donald-trump-jrs-two-different-explanations-for-russian-meeting.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/feinstein-believes-trump-russia-probe-includes-cover-up-question/

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-jr-meeting-takes-russia-scandal-alarming-direction

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/maddow-to-news-orgs-heads-up-for-hoaxes-985491523709

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/team-trumps-pre-election-russian-contacts-draw-fresh-scrutiny

http://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/warner-expect-much-more-to-come-in-russia-probe-991597635927

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/report-trump-jr-met-with-russian-lawyer-during-campaign-989418563676

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25 minutes ago, ComradeMilton said:

Seems about right. No idea where communism enters, but that's roughly what I'd expect.

I'm fairly sure he was comparing it to the Red Scare. 

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I am indeed because that is basically what it is if you swap out Communist with Russian. People out there seriously saying that the American government has been taking over by the Russians, that Trump is a Russian Agent and is the first traitor president. 

As for getting blocked on the Supreme Court... he ain't going to be? What makes you think he will be? Midterms? All well and good (though Democrats seem so incompetent they will likely botch that anyway) but he has already appointed some folk to all manner of things.

9 hours ago, Caecus said:

Oh my! No full-throated support of Trump? Are you suggesting that Trump is incompetent and doesn't even read the bills he is suppose to support? Are you suggesting that Trump is ignorant of the healthcare process? I thought I would never see the day. Shame on you Roz for betraying the one true Trump. 

 

??? Nowhere have I shown that I am some Trump zealot who thinks he can do no wrong. Plenty of time I have talked about exactly what his tactics are and how to counteract them effectively. The guys you're siding with however have been too silly or stupid to ever take advantage so who really is the incompetent ones? Media and democrats can't take advantage even with so many open weaknesses. Trumpcare is so bad even Trump himself is on record attacking it, seriously, why isn't a overwhelming amount of coverage on that? No, instead waste time and money on a Russia angle no normal person cares about, can see right through for the craven dishonesty it is and which has the effect of making people not believe the Democrats/Media on any actually real criticisms they might actually have.

You are smart enough to know what I've said is all right too, you just seem to not dare admit it. Often you and other Democrats will talk of approval numbers but the simple fact is Trump can sleep easy whatever those numbers are. Even if we take them at face value, that he is hated, the truth is Clinton/Democrats/Media are hated more. Run another despised Corporate Dog in 2020 and lose even harder to Trump. 

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40 minutes ago, Rozalia said:

??? Nowhere have I shown that I am some Trump zealot who thinks he can do no wrong. Plenty of time I have talked about exactly what his tactics are and how to counteract them effectively. The guys you're siding with however have been too silly or stupid to ever take advantage so who really is the incompetent ones? Media and democrats can't take advantage even with so many open weaknesses. Trumpcare is so bad even Trump himself is on record attacking it, seriously, why isn't a overwhelming amount of coverage on that? No, instead waste time and money on a Russia angle no normal person cares about, can see right through for the craven dishonesty it is and which has the effect of making people not believe the Democrats/Media on any actually real criticisms they might actually have.

You are smart enough to know what I've said is all right too, you just seem to not dare admit it. Often you and other Democrats will talk of approval numbers but the simple fact is Trump can sleep easy whatever those numbers are. Even if we take them at face value, that he is hated, the truth is Clinton/Democrats/Media are hated more. Run another despised Corporate Dog in 2020 and lose even harder to Trump. 

 

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLOLLLLLLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. Please. We both know and seen the things you have posted. Donald Trump could shit on the desk of the oval office and you would eat that turd. Let's not forget that you described Donald Trump lying to the American people on day 1 of his office about how many people attended his inauguration, or the treasonous Flynn directly influencing Trump's foreign policy against the interests of the US while being paid by the Russians and Turks as "minor." Or how every tweet he threw out there was some part of a larger grand strategy to distract people. BTW, you just did a 180 here. Before, Trump was a mastermind capable of manipulating the masses and all the liberal snowflakes. Now he's a dumbshit who doesn't understand what's in his own bill. Shame on you for betraying the one true Trump. 

As for 2020 or 2018, w/e. I could make the logical argument that most people voted for Trump begrudgingly, or how the difference between Trump and Clinton in the battleground states were a few thousand votes cast by moderates who are regretting their choice, or how Trump has literally done nothing except Gorsuch since he got elected. You will put up some ridiculous reasoning, cite how Trump won the election (despite being no longer applicable), and give your full-deep-throated support in believing that no one could ever beat him.

I don't even see how your opinion has any weight to it. You literally don't live in this country and don't talk to people here. I would be surprised if you even watched Fox News, or any kind of news coverage of Trump. If I had to guess, all you Brits over there are sweating over the shitshow that May called for and presumably are dealing with the nightmareish implications of having to negotiate leaving the EU in the lifespan of a house spider. How is that, by the way? I heard that there is a possibility of you guys having to militarize your border with Ireland. That should be fun. Don't worry too much about those Muslims and all their terror, perhaps you should also be looking to remove all the Irish in your country before people go IRA on your arses. 

 

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It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose.

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1 minute ago, Caecus said:

 

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLOLLLLLLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. Please. We both know and seen the things you have posted. Donald Trump could shit on the desk of the oval office and you would eat that turd. Let's not forget that you described Donald Trump lying to the American people on day 1 of his office about how many people attended his inauguration, or the treasonous Flynn directly influencing Trump's foreign policy against the interests of the US while being paid by the Russians and Turks as "minor." Or how every tweet he threw out there was some part of a larger grand strategy to distract people. BTW, you just did a 180 here. Before, Trump was a mastermind capable of manipulating the masses and all the liberal snowflakes. Now he's a dumbshit who doesn't understand what's in his own bill. 

As for 2020 or 2018, w/e. I could make the logical argument that most people voted for Trump begrudgingly, or how the difference between Trump and Clinton in the battleground states were a few thousand votes cast by moderates who are regretting their choice, or how Trump has literally done nothing except Gorsuch since he got elected. You will put up some ridiculous reasoning, cite how Trump won the election (despite being no longer applicable), and give your full-deep-throated support in believing that no one could ever beat him. 

 

??? I took on the role of being the leading Trump supporter here against Clinton supporters and successfully ran them out. Clinton was horrible and deserved to lose, anyone else was better than her.

Except you know, his tweets work. No-one cares about whatever stupid thing Trump says on twitter as he has been doing that for years. People care about real issues and if all the coverage is on some taco image Trump tweeted then yeah, Trump is laughing at the stupidity of the media. Also him saying it is mean works excellently as long as his opponents don't take advantage. Allows him to distance himself from it a bit and all that. Let him and that is what happens. 

A corporate sleazebag in the vein of Clinton can't beat Trump. No Clintonite can. Run someone like Tulsi Gabbard and Trump will be sweating. However this has come up before and from what I recall you disparaged the American people, that you know, elected a black man as President, that they wouldn't elect a Hindu woman. In actuality she has the best odds out of anyone on the Democrat side of beating Trump. If they refuse to run her in 2020 against Trump then I hope he beats the Democrats so badly that they have to run her in 2024 so she can be the successor to Trump. You'll learn that America has no problem electing a female leader, Clinton was just a monster. 

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1 minute ago, Rozalia said:

??? I took on the role of being the leading Trump supporter here against Clinton supporters and successfully ran them out. Clinton was horrible and deserved to lose, anyone else was better than her.

Except you know, his tweets work. No-one cares about whatever stupid thing Trump says on twitter as he has been doing that for years. People care about real issues and if all the coverage is on some taco image Trump tweeted then yeah, Trump is laughing at the stupidity of the media. Also him saying it is mean works excellently as long as his opponents don't take advantage. Allows him to distance himself from it a bit and all that. Let him and that is what happens. 

A corporate sleazebag in the vein of Clinton can't beat Trump. No Clintonite can. Run someone like Tulsi Gabbard and Trump will be sweating. However this has come up before and from what I recall you disparaged the American people, that you know, elected a black man as President, that they wouldn't elect a Hindu woman. In actuality she has the best odds out of anyone on the Democrat side of beating Trump. If they refuse to run her in 2020 against Trump then I hope he beats the Democrats so badly that they have to run her in 2024 so she can be the successor to Trump. You'll learn that America has no problem electing a female leader, Clinton was just a monster. 

See, that's inconsistent. Here you are saying that Trump's genius tweets at distracting the world from the shady shit that goes down (by the way, also ironic) works, but then say that people care about real issues and not his tweets? You would be a better political strategist than he ever could! You are attributing political strategy to someone who literally has none. Plus, what you are saying is that Trump is the Schrodinger's cat of stupidity, that he can be both a political genius who can manipulate the masses at will AND an incompetent dumbshit who can't read his own bill for what it's worth. 

You could literally run Elmo against him right now and he would lose the electoral college and the popular vote. Perhaps May might find herself losing to Elmo when she totally screws up Brexit. 

It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose.

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See, that's inconsistent. Here you are saying that Trump's genius tweets at distracting the world from the shady shit that goes down (by the way, also ironic) works, but then say that people care about real issues and not his tweets? You would be a better political strategist than he ever could! You are attributing political strategy to someone who literally has none. Plus, what you are saying is that Trump is the Schrodinger's cat of stupidity, that he can be both a political genius who can manipulate the masses at will AND an incompetent dumbshit who can't read his own bill for what it's worth. 

You could literally run Elmo against him right now and he would lose the electoral college and the popular vote. Perhaps May might find herself losing to Elmo when she totally screws up Brexit. 

Who knows. Perhaps he does it on purpose, perhaps by accident, the result is the same whichever it is. 

Are you forgetting that was the Democrat attitude against Trump last time? Clinton is the worst possible person to run but hey, up against Trump, no-one can lose to him. Do you think you're clever by taking the same attitudes as before that failed? Trump should be given respect and treated seriously. You can't just run anybody against him. He chew the queen of the Clintonites herself up, and he'll have no problem dealing with one of her acolytes. Trump certainly is disliked even among his supporters, but people hate the pathetic establishment Democrats even more if they have to choose between the two.  

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2 hours ago, Rozalia said:

I am indeed because that is basically what it is if you swap out Communist with Russian. People out there seriously saying that the American government has been taking over by the Russians, that Trump is a Russian Agent and is the first traitor president. 

As for getting blocked on the Supreme Court... he ain't going to be? He can be and deserves it. What makes you think he will be? Democrats wanting to show the GOP what compromise is like with them in Congress and a Republican is president. Midterms? All well and good (though Democrats seem so incompetent they will likely botch that anyway) but he has already appointed some folk to all manner of things.

??? Nowhere have I shown that I am some Trump zealot who thinks he can do no wrong. Plenty of time I have talked about exactly what his tactics are and how to counteract them effectively. The guys you're siding with however have been too silly or stupid to ever take advantage so who really is the incompetent ones? Media and democrats can't take advantage even with so many open weaknesses. Trumpcare is so bad even Trump himself is on record attacking it, seriously, why isn't a overwhelming amount of coverage on that? No, instead waste time and money on a Russia angle no normal person cares about, can see right through for the craven dishonesty it is and which has the effect of making people not believe the Democrats/Media on any actually real criticisms they might actually have. The people who object the most are the ones who lived through the Cold War and are absolutely sickened that Trump's new Russian fascist friend is receiving classified material that could've killed people to receive and how he's shifting military resources in preparation to help defend North Korea.

You are smart enough to know what I've said is all right too, you just seem to not dare admit it. Often you and other Democrats will talk of approval numbers but the simple fact is Trump can sleep easy whatever those numbers are. Even if we take them at face value, that he is hated, the truth is Clinton/Democrats/Media are hated more. Run another despised Corporate Dog in 2020 and lose even harder to Trump. Trump's a solid one-termer. The people didn't vote for him and so far just about every campaign promise he's made is broken.

 

1 hour ago, Rozalia said:

??? I took on the role of being the leading Trump supporter here against Clinton supporters and successfully ran them out. Clinton was horrible and deserved to lose, anyone else was better than her. Nah, Bernie was still there.

Except you know, his tweets work. No-one cares about whatever stupid thing Trump says on twitter as he has been doing that for years. People care about real issues and if all the coverage is on some taco image Trump tweeted then yeah, Trump is laughing at the stupidity of the media. Also him saying it is mean works excellently as long as his opponents don't take advantage. Allows him to distance himself from it a bit and all that. Let him and that is what happens. Well, by using Twitter like that he's including his full history into the historic record. Should make for some fun when it's declassified.

A corporate sleazebag in the vein of Clinton can't beat Trump Trump is literally a corporate sleezebag.. No Clintonite can. Run someone like Tulsi Gabbard and Trump will be sweating. However this has come up before and from what I recall you disparaged the American people, that you know, elected a black man as President, that they wouldn't elect a Hindu woman. In actuality she has the best odds out of anyone on the Democrat side of beating Trump. If they refuse to run her in 2020 against Trump then I hope he beats the Democrats so badly that they have to run her in 2024 so she can be the successor to Trump. You'll learn that America has no problem electing a female leader, Clinton was just a monster. Not really, no.

 

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2 minutes ago, ComradeMilton said:

Not really, no.

To which part? America having no problem electing a female leader or Clinton being a monster? 

 

5 minutes ago, ComradeMilton said:

he's shifting military resources in preparation to help defend North Korea.

Can you clarify what you mean? 

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If he deserves it is something entirely different to it happening. Hasn't thus far on that matter and basically impossible as long as Republicans are in charge of the needed positions. I know I tell you this often, but get in touch with some reality.

Democrats are noted weaklings. They can talk the talk but they can't walk the walk.

??? Completely incorrect. The people on the conspiracy train are Democrats, left-wingers, and such that would have been against the conspiracies of the past by the likes of McCarthy. Hehehe, much is often spoken of the Democrat and Republican party switching... to think they switch on Russia with the Republican party now on the side of Russia. What a world.

Lets be honest. You don't know what his campaign promises are. Caecus who is a lot better than you had little idea and kept denying many of them even when shown hard evidence. Promises can be fulfilled to certain standards also. Things like the ban can be fulfilled by the simple fact he tried again and again and got blocked. The Wall they are currently checking plans for so they'll have something before 2020, and ISIS is close to being defeated which Trump will take the credit for.

Defending North Korea? I'm sorry, perhaps I'm behind on news but has the Communist conspiracy evolved to that now? Trump using the American army to defend North Korea, China, Russia, and all the rest against uh, Capitalism or something? Help me out here comrade. 

Comrade Sanders was better than Clinton, anyone was. 

So... don't run someone who is even worse? Corporate Democrats are all worse. Run one of those Progressives or get destroyed by Trump. Suck it up.

I can't believe how many Demofools I have to tell this to. Clinton did not lose because she was a woman. She lost because she was a monster. Any other woman in the country would have stood a better chance than her. 

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What is being proposed by the GOP is crap.

The Affordable Healthcare Act is crap too.

Bernie Sanders' plan for Single Payer Healthcare is probably the crappiest idea of all, which is what Obamacare was built to fail and bring us to under Hillary anyways. Glad she lost.

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5 hours ago, ComradeMilton said:

Trump's a solid one-termer. The people didn't vote for him and so far just about every campaign promise he's made is broken.

As a Trump voter, I can tell you I have every intention of voting for him again in 2020.

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9 hours ago, Rozalia said:

Who knows. Perhaps he does it on purpose, perhaps by accident, the result is the same whichever it is. 

Are you forgetting that was the Democrat attitude against Trump last time? Clinton is the worst possible person to run but hey, up against Trump, no-one can lose to him. Do you think you're clever by taking the same attitudes as before that failed? Trump should be given respect and treated seriously. You can't just run anybody against him. He chew the queen of the Clintonites herself up, and he'll have no problem dealing with one of her acolytes. Trump certainly is disliked even among his supporters, but people hate the pathetic establishment Democrats even more if they have to choose between the two.  

Oh, no. No, no no. You know. You said it yourself. "Trump... largely doesn't know what is in it and it is probably for the best," is what you said. Like he's a !@#$ing child being kept away from porn or his mother's erotica novels. And the result is not the same. One implies foresight and strategic genius being unrivaled in the modern age. Another implies sheer stupidity that for some ungodly reason hasn't led to nuclear war yet. 

Elmo. EL-!@#$ing-MO. Elmo could win against him now. 36% is Bush at the bottom of the housing market. 36% is Nixon post-watergate. Not even Bill Clinton was at 36% in his impeachment trials, and he got a blowly from a Jewish girl. You put a !@#$ing vegetable in the presidency and it would have at least 40%. You put Pence on the presidency and he would have at least 50%. 

Also, "Trump certainly is disliked even among his supporters?" Are you kidding me? You disgrace yourself by abandoning the one true Trump. 

It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose.

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1 minute ago, Caecus said:

Oh, no. No, no no. You know. You said it yourself. "Trump... largely doesn't know what is in it and it is probably for the best," is what you said. Like he's a !@#$ing child being kept away from porn or his mother's erotica novels. And the result is not the same. One implies foresight and strategic genius being unrivaled in the modern age. Another implies sheer stupidity that for some ungodly reason hasn't led to nuclear war yet. 

Elmo. EL-!@#$ing-MO. Elmo could win against him now. 36% is Bush at the bottom of the housing market. 36% is Nixon post-watergate. Not even Bill Clinton was at 36% in his impeachment trials, and he got a blowly from a Jewish girl. You put a !@#$ing vegetable in the presidency and it would have at least 40%. You put Pence on the presidency and he would have at least 50%. 

Also, "Trump certainly is disliked even among his supporters?" Are you kidding me? You disgrace yourself by abandoning the one true Trump. 

Unrivalled? The man is a promoter of himself, getting attention is something he knows all too well on how to do. It is nothing complicated to realise that if a simple tweet can make your opponents focus on them instead of real issues then... keep doing it. As for "being a child", everyone knew that... details shall we say are not Trump's strong suit. He knows all of zero about healthcare and so he leaves it to the Republicans, and is why he has been caught several times (even during a Republican debate) praising universal healthcare.

You just never learn. It does not matter as long as the Democrats run another Corrupt Clintonite. People may dislike Trump but they hate corrupt politicians more, especially on the Democratic side who profess to be holier than thou Republican opposition. It is why a Progressive type, especially a strong and hard to attack one like Tulsi is so threatening to Trump. A corrupt Clintonite he can point out is bought and paid for, has failed their voters on several issues (watch how Democrats for Universal Healthcare suddenly decide "it's not the time" whenever any real shot at it comes up), are pro war in the middle east, and so on stands no chance especially as the Progressive wing of the Democratic party is angry enough already and will not accept getting screwed again. Do so and they'll take their support and Democratic support across the country will collapse. 

Why do all you people do this? It fails every damn time you know. I certainly have extreme viewpoints but that does not mean I do not analyse things in a measured and fair way. Keep making a fool out of yourself if you wish, awfully boring by this point to me but knock yourself out I guess. 

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13 hours ago, WISD0MTREE said:

To which part? America having no problem electing a female leader or Clinton being a monster? Either. Both.

 

Can you clarify what you mean? Russia's running three trains a day of tanks, personnel, other armored vehicles, supplies, anti-aircraft systems, etc alongside its border with North Korea (which has been used in the past by people to enter North Korea entirely without supervision for days. China's shifting a lot of military equipment towards their border with North Korea as well.

 

12 hours ago, Rozalia said:

Your quotation is impossible to follow without checking between two posts. You're full of uselessness and lies, but I can't detail it until you learn to post

 

8 hours ago, Doc Martini said:

What is being proposed by the GOP is crap.

The Affordable Healthcare Act is crap too.

Bernie Sanders' plan for Single Payer Healthcare is probably the crappiest idea of all, which is what Obamacare was built to fail and bring us to under Hillary anyways. Glad she lost. Why do people think that's crap? It works nearly everywhere and for less than we already pay in taxes now.

 

7 hours ago, Thalmor said:

As a Trump voter, I can tell you I have every intention of voting for him again in 2020. Some people just go back to their abusers. We just have to accept their bizarre attitudes

 

4 hours ago, Rozalia said:

Again, learn to post and I'll respond to you.

 

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42 minutes ago, ComradeMilton said:

Why do people think that's crap? It works nearly everywhere and for less than we already pay in taxes now.

"Single-Payer" Healthcare is a fanciful term for "Government-Ran-and- Government-Controlled" Healthcare. The government makes the rules, set its limits and decides who gets what for their care. End of Story. End of your Doctor, too. 

And you are definitely wrong on the cost being less than what we pay for now if we were to implement it into the United States and to maintain with the same consistency we have right now. With implementing in new technologies and new drugs, the costs are increasing worldwide and Europe itself is having difficulties maintaining their own systems right now. Every EU nation has increased their costs, some doubling, by means of increased taxation and even increasing sales taxes to cover costs.

The United States, unlike the individual nations in Europe, has almost 400,000,000 citizens. The costs to maintain this is not cheaper than we have now. To assume it will be is blind and asinine.

The troubles involved with Single-Payer is to look at what has been happening now in the UK and Canada, where the wait times for a hip replacement in Canada and the UK are on average 9 months to 2 years. Cataract surgery is about as long. Both Canada and the UK both have had to deal with misallocated funds due to ideologues attempting to make decisions which in the end either made patients wait up to years for simple treatments. Some treatments are slower to implement in these countries too, due to the lack of equipment for years however the technology may be available, the equipment costs limit the availability. And example: Most individual hospitals in the US have more MRI and PET scanners than entire Canadian provinces and English Counties. Most advancements in medical treatment have come from the United States since WWII. This is a result of the United States not maintaining government oversight in our healthcare.

Medicare and Medicaid are already Single Payer Healthcare and it has issues, along with high costs on the system. A good example is our current Veterans Healthcare system and the nightmare that is. When a party other than a patient or a provider starts making healthcare decisions, it’s easy to lose sight of whose interests should be paramount in a healthcare transaction. Governments and private insurers often have conflicting agendas regarding treatment, but a sick person never does. He or she just has one goal: recuperation.

So, I stick to what I said and that is Single-Payer Healthcare is utter crap.

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We're about to pass $20,000,000,000,000 in debt. Instead of providing over 300,000,000 individuals with healthcare, we reduce the $668,000,000,000 deficit; otherwise, there might not be this government around in a century for you to want to provide single-payer anyway.

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1 hour ago, Doc Martini said:

"Single-Payer" Healthcare is a fanciful term for "Government-Ran-and- Government-Controlled" Healthcare. The government makes the rules, set its limits and decides who gets what for their care. End of Story. End of your Doctor, too. Nope.Government run healthcare is already cheaper in administrative costs than private insurers and is only currently prevented from beating them further by not being permitted to negotiate costs as the private insurers can.

And you are definitely wrong on the cost being less than what we pay for now if we were to implement it into the United States and to maintain with the same consistency we have right now. Not at all. With implementing in new technologies and new drugs, the costs are increasing worldwide and Europe itself is having difficulties maintaining their own systems right now. Every EU nation has increased their costs, some doubling, by means of increased taxation and even increasing sales taxes to cover costs. They definitely haven't done this.

The United States, unlike the individual nations in Europe, has almost 400,000,000 citizens. The costs to maintain this is not cheaper than we have now. To assume it will be is blind and asinine.

The troubles involved with Single-Payer is to look at what has been happening now in the UK and Canada, where the wait times for a hip replacement in Canada and the UK are on average 9 months to 2 years.Comparable to wait times for specialists in the United States. Cataract surgery is about as long. Both Canada and the UK both have had to deal with misallocated funds due to ideologues attempting to make decisions which in the end either made patients wait up to years for simple treatments. Some treatments are slower to implement in these countries too, due to the lack of equipment for years however the technology may be available, the equipment costs limit the availability. And example: Most individual hospitals in the US have more MRI and PET scanners than entire Canadian provinces and English Counties. Canada has a tenth of our population, it's quite natural they wouldn't be buying as much of the equipment in the same numbers. Most advancements in medical treatment have come from the United States since WWII. This is a result of the United States not maintaining government oversight in our healthcare. Not only is it not most, in fact we usually fund the research and related things via the NIH and then the producers claim high costs for research they need to recoup via the cost of the medicines developed.

Medicare and Medicaid are already Single Payer Healthcare No, they aren't. and it has issues, along with high costs on the system. A good example is our current Veterans Healthcare system and the nightmare that is. When a party other than a patient or a provider starts making healthcare decisions, it’s easy to lose sight of whose interests should be paramount in a healthcare transaction. Governments and private insurers often have conflicting agendas regarding treatment, but a sick person never does. He or she just has one goal: recuperation.

So, I stick to what I said and that is Single-Payer Healthcare is utter crap. You're welcome to be as incorrect as you like.

 

31 minutes ago, JPMorgan said:

We're about to pass $20,000,000,000,000 in debt. Instead of providing over 300,000,000 individuals with healthcare, we reduce the $668,000,000,000 deficit; otherwise, there might not be this government around in a century for you to want to provide single-payer anyway. The debt isn't a big deal and the reason for the debt is the GOP's tendency to cut taxes (revenue) and then increase spending.

 

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14 minutes ago, ComradeMilton said:

 The debt isn't a big deal and the reason for the debt is the GOP's tendency to cut taxes (revenue) and then increase spending.

I know it's not a big deal. Debts are problem as a ratio to GDP. We crossed 100% not that long ago and at the rate we're going it can, and likely will be, a problem within our lifetimes. Adding something like single-payer will only exacerbate the speed at which we reach the problem -- I didn't say it was a problem, it's an impending one. And the second part of your response only aids my point. I was saying to reduce spending.

Just did some math: 19 years from now we'll be at the same ratio Greece was for its collapse in 2008, but because the deficit is growing as well, it will actually be sooner. But, accounting for GDP growth too, maybe a little over 20 years?

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