The war so far - v3

[JOEYY]

The real winners should be ....... The neutral alliances tbh

[Novarus]

I just wanna see which AA in IQ will lose a !@#$ton of their members.

It's already happening.

[Anneal]

I just wanna see which AA in IQ will lose a !@#$ton of their members.

 

Both sides are losing members. I know a couple Zodiac guys got annoyed and left.

 

Ironically enough they tend to be low tier noobs who are whining more about how much infra and resources they lost. On the other hand, war is usually a good time to weed out members who don't really give a shit about their alliance. 

[Them]

We are using only the heavily damaged nations while the upper tier is almost intact and can produce enough to sustain the entire alliance

You side has all the nations in the low and mid tier with low infra and busy with wars, no one is producing and everyone is consuming resources, one day the bank will be empty

Submarine warfare is good only if you are waiting for help that can hit the enemy in the upper tier

6 months of no war has allowed both sides to stockpile enough resources so that running out isn't a concern. Submarine warfare is also pretty cheap, with infra rebuilding being the main cost, rather than military units. The Inquisition doesn't intend to wage a war of attrition and hope that the Syndisphere capitulates. (it won't) The main motivations for the Inquisition continuing the fight are pride and a lack of repercussions. The only perceivable downside of keeping the war going is lost revenue from rebuilding, which is heavily outweighed by the potential damage to be dealt to the Syndisphere's mid tier (and is not exclusive to the Inquisition). The Inquisition doesn't have to hit the upper tier. If the Syndisphere is fine with the bottom half of their alliances burning, then more power to them. In the end, it's up to the Syndisphere to end the war because they are the ones who have the most to lose.

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Also, NPO is using its allies as meatshields to minimize damage taken...

(they couldn't possibly be good fighters)

Edited May 5, 2017 by Them

[Buorhann]

6 months of no war has allowed both sides to stockpile enough resources so that running out isn't a concern. Submarine warfare is also pretty cheap, with infra rebuilding being the main cost, rather than military units. The Inquisition doesn't intend to wage a war of attrition and hope that the Syndisphere capitulates. (it won't) The main motivations for the Inquisition continuing the fight are pride and a lack of repercussions. The only perceivable downside of keeping the war going is lost revenue from rebuilding, which is heavily outweighed by the potential damage to be dealt to the Syndisphere's mid tier (and is not exclusive to the Inquisition). The Inquisition doesn't have to hit the upper tier. If the Syndisphere is fine with the bottom half of their alliances burning, then more power to them. In the end, it's up to the Syndisphere to end the war because they are the ones who have the most to lose.

 

Not really.  Syndisphere has a untouched top tier that continues to feed each alliance's economy.

 

So while yes, Syndisphere has the potential to lose the most in Infra Damage, that's nothing if we can simply rebuild it with the funds stockpiled before and during the war.  While IQ has no top tier left (Other than what's in VM).

 

IQ doesn't have a chance to hit the top tier of Syndisphere, not without a sudden surge of military growth and coordination to updeclare that hard.

 

Rest of your post is roughly correct.  The war is devolving to more of a Plane show with the focus on Airstrikes to carry/counter with.  So it does make it cheap to do submarine warfare that way.

Edited May 5, 2017 by Buorhann

[Them]

Not really.  Syndisphere has a untouched top tier that continues to feed each alliance's economy.

 

So while yes, Syndisphere has the potential to lose the most in Infra Damage, that's nothing if we can simply rebuild it with the funds stockpiled before and during the war.  While IQ has no top tier left (Other than what's in VM).

 

IQ doesn't have a chance to hit the top tier of Syndisphere, not without a sudden surge of military growth and coordination to updeclare that hard.

 

Rest of your post is roughly correct.  The war is devolving to more of a Plane show with the focus on Airstrikes to carry/counter with.  So it does make it cheap to do submarine warfare that way.

My point is that ending the war doesn't do anything to affect the Syndisphere's upper tier and that the Inquisition is capable of dealing plenty of damage without hitting the Syndisphere's upper tier. The Inquisition will definitely be set back economically after the war ends, but the significant damage has been taken. Also, unless alliances in the Syndisphere run high tax rates or occasionally appropriate funds from larger nations, most of the money earned by the upper tier will stay in the upper tier and the rebuilding of the mid tier will have to be funded by the bank. Upper tier growth is meh since 25 cities is arguably less useful than 15-20 cities when fighting most alliances in the Inquisition.

 

Wars have always been a plane show...planes to destroy planes, planes to destroy tanks, planes to destroy ships, planes to destroy infra, etc. The only reason people kept ground forces around is because ground control affects plane count.

Edited May 5, 2017 by Them

[Buorhann]

And my point is, why let IQ rebuild?

[Shadowthrone]

All hail L Roq Hubbard and his infinite wisdom in building our nations in this manner. We can continue doing damage while receiving none! We'll have more folks reading his books and soon we will be new the hegemoney! 

[Them]

So it's agreed that we should keep blowing each other up?

 

Even if it's for different reasons, it's nice to come to a consensus with the opposing side in a war

 

 

 

ALL HAIL ROQUENTIN

o/o/o/

Edited May 5, 2017 by Them

[San Fortunado]

I for one am a big fan of eternal hellwar 

[Buorhann]

So it's agreed that we should keep blowing each other up?

 

Even if it's for different reasons, it's nice to come to a consensus with the opposing side in a war

 

Of course.

[Tali]

This war is so boring. It was fun to watch at the very beginning, but now it sucks

 

 

End war now pls, it no longer has any interesting concepts to bring.

[Charles Bolivar]

Syndisphere will have funds gained from an untouched upper tier to rebuild with. IQ is using its rebuilding funds to keep fighting.

 

Do the math.

[Black Rook]

Syndisphere will have funds gained from an untouched upper tier to rebuild with. IQ is using its rebuilding funds to keep fighting.

 

Do the math.

They can't do maths.

[Shadowthrone]

Syndisphere will have funds gained from an untouched upper tier to rebuild with. IQ is using its rebuilding funds to keep fighting.

 

Do the math.

 

We don't need math, we have L Roq Hubbard. You should read his math in T-aranetics, it will truly change you world. Feel free to join the Sea Ord, and sail on our awesome roqboats around Orbis! 

 

To victory! For Roq! 

[Rozalia]

Syndisphere will have funds gained from an untouched upper tier to rebuild with. IQ is using its rebuilding funds to keep fighting.

 

Do the math.

 

To be fair though that was a thing all the way back during the first Paragon outing and then successive conflicts. Didn't ultimately help them much in the end.

Obviously one not taking advantage doesn't mean someone else can't, but worth mentioning.

[Bhuto]

To be fair though that was a thing all the way back during the first Paragon outing and then successive conflicts. Didn't ultimately help them much in the end.

Obviously one not taking advantage doesn't mean someone else can't, but worth mentioning.

I think there is a lot of activity difference between paragon and syndi  

[Buorhann]

To be fair though that was a thing all the way back during the first Paragon outing and then successive conflicts. Didn't ultimately help them much in the end.

Obviously one not taking advantage doesn't mean someone else can't, but worth mentioning.

 

True, but we also had a much bigger focus in the mid-tier than the IQ coalition does now.  So it was much easier for us to threaten their top tiers at the time.

 

IQ would have to grow, a lot, in order to touch our top tiers since they dominate the low-tier area.

Edited May 5, 2017 by Buorhann

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

Yeah the difference was they did a much better job wittling down our top tier to just a few nations back in the day.  The current top tier on the tS side is much larger, its like 50 members from TKR, almost half of pantheon, and you have solid groups of nations in all the winning side's top tier basically untouched, and IQ has no real way to reach any of them.

 

So yeah you have control of the lower tier, and you are probably pumping out significantly more infra damage, but that infra you are killing is dudes with 500-1000 infra per city, not 2000-3000 infra per city.

[greatkitteh]

I think the problem with comparing this war to the Alpha conflict is that Alpha was able to annoy and stall the growth of about 3-4 times the nations that they had. In this war the lower tier meatgrinder, which is probably not making great income while holding military units and improvements, actually outnumbers the nations they're pinning.

Because easy mode reasons roq explained, not much.

[ArcKnox]

To be fair though that was a thing all the way back during the first Paragon outing and then successive conflicts. Didn't ultimately help them much in the end.

Obviously one not taking advantage doesn't mean someone else can't, but worth mentioning.

They have no ability to use their control of the low tiers to snowball into control of mid and high.

[Kastor]

Yeah the difference was they did a much better job wittling down our top tier to just a few nations back in the day.  The current top tier on the tS side is much larger, its like 50 members from TKR, almost half of pantheon, and you have solid groups of nations in all the winning side's top tier basically untouched, and IQ has no real way to reach any of them.

 

So yeah you have control of the lower tier, and you are probably pumping out significantly more infra damage, but that infra you are killing is dudes with 500-1000 infra per city, not 2000-3000 infra per city.

I don't think you're looking at this correctly. You've been sipping the Syndisphere Kool-Aid too much.

 

Take a look at tS for example. They have an average of 808.63 infra per city. To give you a little perspective, Cornerstone, Lordaeron, and Zodiac has a higher average infra count that them, and that's just looking at those 3.

 

So you can say that these alliances aren't hurting, but they are, that top isn't saving them and they are in danger of losing it and they know that.

 

In TKR their mid tier has fallen and will continue to fall. So this idiocy coming from that side is hilarious because we'll be at your top's door in 1-2 rounds and once that falls they'll have nothing to show for themselves.

[Sea]

I don't think you're looking at this correctly. You've been sipping the Syndisphere Kool-Aid too much.

 

Take a look at tS for example. They have an average of 808.63 infra per city. To give you a little perspective, Cornerstone, Lordaeron, and Zodiac has a higher average infra count that them, and that's just looking at those 3.

 

So you can say that these alliances aren't hurting, but they are, that top isn't saving them and they are in danger of losing it and they know that.

 

In TKR their mid tier has fallen and will continue to fall. So this idiocy coming from that side is hilarious because we'll be at your top's door in 1-2 rounds and once that falls they'll have nothing to show for themselves.

 

You and your ~300 infra per city. Anyone who tries to rise in Lord-aa-ron gets beat down by a rather untouched top tier. Sure, the alliances are hurting, but you can't deny that you're hurting too, and 1-2 rounds aren't going to change that, nor will a whole other month's worth.

[Darth Revan]

I love it when Kastor says stupid things 

[Kastor]

You guys are hilarious lmfaoooo