Sargun Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 LOL Like TKR would avoid that type of situation. Like any alliance would avoid that confrontation when they hold a Mutual Defense Pact in their treaty. To not defend would be a shitty ally. Very cool that Rose has no qualms about it. EDIT: I thought Rose attacked BK? You're not only really bad at shitposting but you don't even know what you're shitposting about KiY, leave the shitposting to me, you're a !@#$ing amateur and you're embarrassing both yourself and Hogwarts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordship Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) Yeah, Kayser is a shit though. Even TKR gov admitted it several times to me in the past to not take him seriously.I'm not sure why you're personally attacking Kayser here but your words are certainly uncalled for. He was simply pointing out that the CKD situation was not as black and white as you believed. Also, I'm not sure you understand what the situation with the treaties were given your follow up responses. Tldr: no need to be rude. Edited April 19, 2017 by Lordship Quote Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen M II Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Yeah, Kayser is a shit though. Even TKR gov admitted it several times to me in the past to not take him seriously. Wow. I'd love to see those chat logs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anneal Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 EDIT: I thought Rose attacked BK? If you're getting this information from greatkitteh's war chart in one of these topics it's clearly wrong. We blitzed Rose, Pantheon declares on us, WTF declares on us a few days later, and yesterday TKR has declared as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) Wow. I'd love to see those chat logs. Voice chat, actually. LOL All TKR run to his defense. Amusing. I accept that I am a meanie. Edited April 19, 2017 by The King in Yellow Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 LOL Like TKR would avoid that type of situation. Like any alliance would avoid that confrontation when they hold a Mutual Defense Pact in their treaty. To not defend would be a shitty ally. Very cool that Rose has no qualms about it. EDIT: I thought Rose attacked BK? BK Attacked Rose. We activated the MDP with Pantheon, who attacked BK, who activated the MDoAP with CKD, even tho it was non-chaining. BK actually hit the mutual ally of 2 allies, since BK was signed to Mensa and Mensa is signed to Rose, Mensa's response was to drop them. I think it comes down to whether or not you consider OD treaties to be allies or second rate treaties that can be ignored completely if an MD is involved in any way, aggressively, defensively, non chaining or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 BK Attacked Rose. We activated the MDP with Pantheon, who attacked BK, who activated the MDoAP with CKD, even tho it was non-chaining. BK actually hit the mutual ally of 2 allies, since BK was signed to Mensa and Mensa is signed to Rose, Mensa's response was to drop them. I think it comes down to whether or not you consider OD treaties to be allies or second rate treaties that can be ignored completely if an MD is involved in any way, aggressively, defensively, non chaining or otherwise. Yeah, I think this war will determine the outcome of what treaties mean in the game, as much needs to be cleared away. Seriously, look at the !@#$all that is the literal lsd-induced spider web of shit! Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadin Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Once again the opposition falls flat on its face. If I didn't have better things to do, I may even feel compelled to come out of retirement just to build a proper rival for Syndicate and co. Can't be assed, though, and it would take too damn long anyways. Oh well. It's been fun, hopefully the next round doesn't disappoint. Round 1 was a blast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 You're not only really bad at shitposting but you don't even know what you're shitposting about KiY, leave the shitposting to me, you're a !@#$ amateur and you're embarrassing both yourself and Hogwarts I was not shitposting tbh. Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I was not shitposting tbh. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smith Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 What a blast from the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf the Second Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 From what I gathered from my side of the war, the upper tier of IQ was vastly outnumbered by the upper tier of Syndisphere. If you look at Pantheon and t$ for example: and see how their upper tier handled, only very few of them entered into a defensive war despite being on the defense. Just saw this--I have no idea about Pantheon, but I'm pretty sure every t$ nation (except for two in VM) was involved in 3 defensive wars by the second/third day of the war. JR sent out a memo about it. Then we also had many offensive wars, so yeah. Not really sure what you mean by this 2 Quote 01:58:39 <BeowulftheSecond> Belisarius of The Byzantine Empire has sent your nation $0.00, 0.00 food, 0.00 coal, 0.00 oil, 0.00 uranium, 0.00 lead, 0.00 iron, 0.00 bauxite, 0.00 gasoline, 0.00 munitions, 1,000.00 steel, and 0.00 aluminum from the alliance bank of Rose.01:58:46 <BeowulftheSecond> someone please explain 01:59:12 <%Belisarius> sleep deprivatin is a !@#$ @_@01:59:14 — %Belisarius shrugs01:59:18 <BeowulftheSecond> we're at WAR. WE ARE BURNING EACH OTHER'S PIXELS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sans Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 So what you saying is if an ally of yours was attacked that you had a Mutual Defense Pact in your treaty, you would not defend them? Even if that Alliance was in another, completely different Aggressive war happening at the same time? Read the following His point was CKD had a non-chaining MDoAP with BK. BK attacked Rose, CKD's ODoAP ally, then Pantheon attacked BK, in defense of Rose, then CKD attacked Pantheon in Defense of BK. So CKD were effectively contributing to the fight against their own ally (Rose), based on a treaty that was non-chaining and therefore they weren't obligated to enter. Personally I don't care, his point was that the legality and morality of the situation was far more grey. Please explain before my respect for you drops even further than it normally does because you are just the shit poster from TKR no one actually likes around here.LOL, k. If my reputation as a shitposter has reached Sargun and Rickky levels by now I will be happy. Did I make it guys? Quote “ Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. †–The First Ideal of the Windrunners, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Settra Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Read the following LOL, k. If my reputation as a shitposter has reached Sargun and Rickky levels by now I will be happy. Did I make it guys? What's a shitpost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Did I make it guys? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anneal Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) Yeah, I think this war will determine the outcome of what treaties mean in the game, as much needs to be cleared away. Seriously, look at the !@#$all that is the literal lsd-induced spider web of shit! A lot of treaties got messed up, especially when BK switched out of the Syndisphere, which people wouldn't have gotten so angry about until miscommunication set in and it became a mess of pointing fingers at each other. Needless to say several alliances were upset at BK gov, and since BK didn't remove any treaties when war kicked in, you get unenforced treaties. Meanwhile Lordaeron has been shitposting pretty hard on the forums, NPO's failing to attack aggressively enough due to their absence of a high tier and lack of a mid tier to updeclare (literally all their nations were <2500 nation score and averaged 9 or 10 cities before the war), and SK is taking serious damage. Zodiac is actually not doing so bad, though. Oh yeah, BK's getting it rough upper tier, too. Not blaming any allies here. Edited April 19, 2017 by Anneal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sans Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 What's a shitpost? Ayy Quote “ Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. †–The First Ideal of the Windrunners, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avakael Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Just saw this--I have no idea about Pantheon, but I'm pretty sure every t$ nation (except for two in VM) was involved in 3 defensive wars by the second/third day of the war. JR sent out a memo about it. Then we also had many offensive wars, so yeah. Not really sure what you mean by thisThis. The number of empty defensive slots we had could've been counted on one hand. Different story now, even among the non beige nations. No idea why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Queen M II Posted April 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2017 LOL All TKR run to his defense. Amusing. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrde Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 This whole optional treaty and non chaining stuff is exactly why we only sign MDPs. The optional aggression is still there when not written in the treaty too. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aisha Greyjoy Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 They were going to lose the top tier eventually. They banked on the low tier to win decisively in order to support the mid-tier and win that. Then use mid-tier to updeclare and drag down. Problem is, the top tier will always win faster than the low tier just due to how much offensive power there is to zero militaries out. Yes, but if, with great resolve, and great determination, and no defections and surrenders, the strategy is given time to play out(4+ cycles), the strategy could work out. But a few alliances already bolted, didn't they? 1 Quote Duke of House Greyjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Puns Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Yes, but if, with great resolve, and great determination, and no defections and surrenders, the strategy is given time to play out(4+ cycles), the strategy could work out. But a few alliances already bolted, didn't they? That strategy would not work out at all. Unless the top tier sat on their asses all game and the blitz was a great success (first big problem here), the top tier can continue to rain fiery hell upon the mid-upper tier and continue to fund the alliance during wartime. When you leave the strongest part of the enemy alone and you weaken yourself by fighting against weaker nations, you're susceptible to not only a counter that was stronger than you to begin with, but a counter that has had time to build while you wage war on his lower allies and come in when you're at your weakest. Leaving the top tier alone almost never works unless they are so far out of reach they can't hit you. Quote 22:26 +Kadin: too far man 22:26 +Kadin: too far 22:26 Lordofpuns[boC]: that's the point of incest Kadin 22:26 Lordofpuns[boC]: to go farther 22:27 Bet: or father Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrde Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 This tier business speaks nothing to the decisions of the players running those nations. Activity and choices also decide wars. Owning a steamroller is not the same as knowing how to run one effectively! A particularly mensan philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roquentin Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Yes, but if, with great resolve, and great determination, and no defections and surrenders, the strategy is given time to play out(4+ cycles), the strategy could work out. But a few alliances already bolted, didn't they? I mean it's just par for the course. I hope it changes eventually, but there isn't really a penalty for pulling out if you're on the losing side, so people are inclined to do it. If an entire coalition is willing to dig in at some point, they'll be able to accomplish a lot. That strategy would not work out at all. Unless the top tier sat on their asses all game and the blitz was a great success (first big problem here), the top tier can continue to rain fiery hell upon the mid-upper tier and continue to fund the alliance during wartime. When you leave the strongest part of the enemy alone and you weaken yourself by fighting against weaker nations, you're susceptible to not only a counter that was stronger than you to begin with, but a counter that has had time to build while you wage war on his lower allies and come in when you're at your weakest. Leaving the top tier alone almost never works unless they are so far out of reach they can't hit you. There is no alternative if the other side has an upper tier advantage since alliances with upper tiers tend to tie each other. There could have been more score compression which would have helped avoid the 17-20 city nations sell downs on 12-15 nations with maxed mil, but that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 100+ members, and he's talking about how he can't compete. I wish Mensa had those numbers close to that again. That was some fun frustrating times. You have a very opportunistic situation to be the literal foundation of a sphere, but you're too afraid to build up in order to support your allies/friendlies. You'd rather stay at 9 cities and let them fight a losing battle. Zodiac + BK + NPO should EASILY compete against TKR + Syndicate + Pantheon + Rose. Notice though that BK and Zodiac are pretty wide spread in all tiers, but NPO is concentrated in a 'low tier'. If you were in 'mid tier', you guys would do so much better for yourselves and your allies. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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