DragonK Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I would argue that the method Arrgh employs to raid is also contrary to the spirit of the game, which apparently makes it cheating. Normally there's supposed to be consequences to raiding. If you hit the wrong person you could face retaliation and have your units and infra destroyed. You can also face having 10% of all your infra destroyed on top of whatever else was bombed upon beiging as well has having your resources looted. However Arrgh circumvents all that by keeping their infra low and taking advantage of the fact it's impossible to beige someone that spams fortify, rendering their raids consequence free. In fact, it wasn't that long ago that DragonK was going all over the forums boasting about how there was nothing anyone can do to stop him and his raids. Funny that it's okay to go against the "spirit of the game" when it suits Arrgh, but when it actually takes away something from Arrgh, then it's bad and the rules need to change! This is in fact a direct response to the fact that there's no way to hurt Arrgh. Now there's no way for Arrgh to loot HBE. Have fun looting elsewhere. Meh. There is a tradeoff, but it's a tradeoff I cna get behind. We are getting retaliated and we have our units and infra destoyed. We just simply set a differnet objective than other players, and thus, in our own perspective, we win and are better than any other alliance. If you use the norms set by game, we're bunch of total failures that can't get ifnra lelvels above 600, no growth or economic stability, no standing army and getting rolled worse than GPA. We live with it, and you're welcome to try it, since you like exploiting stuff so much, try exploting the gmae we do, I bet you'd ragequit within a month. On other hand your way of playing the game has only one negative consiquence. You'll get hit by me as soon as I exit VM and there is nothing you can do about it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonK Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Savage. o_O I wouldn't consider that part necessary. It's not overused and apart from an incident some days ago, there are no accidents with infinite messages. Wait till all micro leaders start aproaching you with their little schemes on taking down t$/TKR/Pantheon/Inqusition/BK or whatever else they think they can handle. Personal favourite are the ones who openly ask you to suicide for them so they can profit from safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Curufinwe Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 +1 Captcha for the captcha confirmation button If implemented, I move that we formally change the name of the game to "Politics and War and Capchas" or PWC for short. It has a nice ring to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torshiro Mifune Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Meh. There is a tradeoff, but it's a tradeoff I cna get behind. We are getting retaliated and we have our units and infra destoyed. We just simply set a differnet objective than other players, and thus, in our own perspective, we win and are better than any other alliance. If you use the norms set by game, we're bunch of total failures that can't get ifnra lelvels above 600, no growth or economic stability, no standing army and getting rolled worse than GPA. We live with it, and you're welcome to try it, since you like exploiting stuff so much, try exploting the gmae we do, I bet you'd ragequit within a month. On other hand your way of playing the game has only one negative consiquence. You'll get hit by me as soon as I exit VM and there is nothing you can do about it . >Implying being the metaphorical used toilet paper of P&W is enjoyable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 If we banned bots half of PnW would be banned.If we banned for multis as well we'd only have a 1/4th of Orbis left.#keepexploitslegal 1 Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebear Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) >Implying being the metaphorical used toilet paper of P&W is enjoyable. I would recommend looking into another brand of toilet paper if the one you're familiar with is continually stealing your money while you try to come up with ways to stop it Now there's no way for Arrgh to loot HBE. Have fun looting elsewhere. >implying that the reason someone would raid HBE is for its meager bank loot Edited April 5, 2017 by Bluebear 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torshiro Mifune Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) I would recommend looking into another brand of toilet paper if the one you're familiar with is continually stealing your money while you try to come up with ways to stop it >implying that the reason someone would raid HBE is for its meager bank loot Don't you think your statement is somewhat contradictory saying no one would raid us for bank loot when almost a third of our wars (offensive and defensive in the past 30 days) have come from your alliance?Not only that, we have the right to protect our funds, just as you have the right to minimize damage taken in your raids. Why go through struggle when you can take measures to suffer as little as possible? Edited April 5, 2017 by Torshiro Mifune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Winchell Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I was under the impression, from past discussion with Sheepy, that aside from messaging (which has no effect on gameplay), anything involving player interactions is not allowed to be automated. The only actions allowed to be automated are those that won't influence how another player interacts with your nation (e.g. adding a custom button to build all cities at once, instead of clicking through all of them individually). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebear Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) Don't you think your statement is somewhat contradictory saying no one would raid us for bank loot when almost a third of our wars (offensive and defensive in the past 30 days) have come from your alliance? Not only that, we have the right to protect our funds, just as you have the right to minimize damage taken in your raids. Why go through struggle when you can take measures to suffer as little as possible? Nation loot from someone in HBE: $2,719,149, 47 Coal, 21 Oil, 15 Uranium, 0 Iron, 7 Bauxite, 56 Lead, 1,299 Gasoline, 3,363 Munitions, 2,748 Steel, 827 Aluminum, and 1,878 Food. Bank loot from HBE: $1,230,903.00, 213 Food, 36 Coal, 29 Oil, 14 Uranium, 7 Lead, 28 Iron, 14 Bauxite, 20 Gasoline, 22 Munitions, 36 Steel, 32 Aluminum I can promise you, we aren't raiding you for the bank loot. Edited April 5, 2017 by Bluebear 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonK Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Don't you think your statement is somewhat contradictory saying no one would raid us for bank loot when almost a third of our wars (offensive and defensive in the past 30 days) have come from your alliance? Not only that, we have the right to protect our funds, just as you have the right to minimize damage taken in your raids. Why go through struggle when you can take measures to suffer as little as possible? You imply it's our fault. But you come from wrong perspective. Go to Arrgh and then check alliance wars. You'd see HBE isn't as important as your page would imply. Also that you only have wars from us is your own fault for not warring with other people. Not our fault we only ones with balls around here. (PnW balls included). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torshiro Mifune Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 You imply it's our fault. But you come from wrong perspective. Go to Arrgh and then check alliance wars. You'd see HBE isn't as important as your page would imply. Also that you only have wars from us is your own fault for not warring with other people. Not our fault we only ones with balls around here. (PnW balls included).There's a big difference between having balls and needlessly raiding in order to stay relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 You should ideally also have to vocally recite an oath in reverse that's then detected for accuracy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I was under the impression, from past discussion with Sheepy, that aside from messaging (which has no effect on gameplay), anything involving player interactions is not allowed to be automated. The only actions allowed to be automated are those that won't influence how another player interacts with your nation (e.g. adding a custom button to build all cities at once, instead of clicking through all of them individually). Does that include getting notified as soon as a player accidentally posts a bad trade? Or getting notified as soon as someone buys a nuke so you can spy it away? Just make it easier on yourself and ban all bots. Recruitment messages should have some personal touch. It's hardly fair to the alliacnes that don't have that capability. Plus you get poor quality mass recruit alliances. It's no coincidence that all the alliances that use recruitment scripts suck. 2 Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack3top Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Looks like we need a captcha for every bank transaction now How about logging in, buying military etc lol, this is a interesting topic of discussion though, but bots can ruin the game if you don't control its usage in my opinion, sheepy. 1 Quote discussion before violence What I post do not represent the views of the alliance unless otherwise stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosonome Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 > remove captchas and put only 1000 visits at P&W for each user > spend credits for increasing visits > ???? > PROFIT!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 There's a big difference between having balls and needlessly raiding in order to stay relevant. We don't raid to be relevant, we raid to have fun > remove captchas and put only 1000 visits at P&W for each user > spend credits for increasing visits > ???? > PROFIT!!! VIP accounts can view their nation more than 10 times per turn! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadesflames Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 We don't raid to be relevant, we raid to have fun Can you be any more full of shit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Can you be any more full of shit? lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aisha Greyjoy Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I think I agree they do it for fun. 2 Quote Duke of House Greyjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonK Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Can you be any more full of shit? Not everyone is playing this game for lack of validation like you do, some of us actually play games for fun. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torshiro Mifune Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 (edited) Not everyone is playing this game for lack of validation like you do, some of us actually play games for fun.> getting rolled 3x over because the rest of the player base got tired of your shenanigans.> "fun." Edited April 6, 2017 by Torshiro Mifune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 So the current plans are to keep the tedious stuff as tedious as possible and possibly due to some IRL mental damage, thinking people are going to pay2play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khorne Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 > getting rolled 3x over because the rest of the player base got tired of your shenanigans. > "fun." Implying fun is objective in nature. Lol @ all the people that don't understand the first thing about Arrgh (and their playstyle), yet feel the need to continuously comment upon how and/or why they play the game. It's amusing, please continue, thanks. 5 Quote "To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift." ~ Prefontaine Pure Gold, ~KT chat: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holton Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) I'm very confused as to how this isn't just a simple ban and move on. If these people care so much about "winning" in this game, take the game away from them. What's the point of playing a game where half the people automate their nations to such an extent...? Edited April 7, 2017 by Pride 1 Quote Superbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Reduction of tedium so play can actually be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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