ComradeMilton Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Oh boy. If I accuse someone of something. You then enter the fray and say that you are no such thing. Then that does not make sense because it was never directed at you in the first place. Do. You. Understand? Already posting dumb shit about me. The Republicans are known as the anti-Russia party and have been for a long time. There is no disputing such a thing. As for the emails even the Establishment Democrat don't deny such things so you doing so is laughable. Like the Middle East right? Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya for a few examples. Just loads of democracy, justice, and liberty handed out. Libya fits. The rest do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Oh boy. If I accuse someone of something. You then enter the fray and say that you are no such thing. Then that does not make sense because it was never directed at you in the first place. Do. You. Understand? Already posting dumb shit about me. The Republicans are known as the anti-Russia party and have been for a long time. There is no disputing such a thing. As for the emails even the Establishment Democrat don't deny such things so you doing so is laughable. Like the Middle East right? Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya for a few examples. Just loads of democracy, justice, and liberty handed out. Libya fits. The rest do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Starting what you've done at least twice now is saying "stupid shit". Well it is stupid shit to be doing on your part, that is accurate enough. ??? You really have no ability to follow a conversation. Vincentius mentions the Russia conspiracies coming out from the Democrats. To that I state I agree. You respond stating Putin killed some dudes and is a bad man. I ask how that is related and now you're fetching an unrelated quote from a previous convo chain... Bloody hell man get a hold of yourself. We are talking about the cold war style angle from the Democrats and if you want to respond to that then do so, but do not wildly stray into something else. Now perhaps you'll get all pigheaded and say something childish like "make me" and to that I say what the great poet Squall often remarked... whatever. I can't stop you acting like a loony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Starting what you've done at least twice now is saying "stupid shit". Well it is stupid shit to be doing on your part, that is accurate enough. ??? You really have no ability to follow a conversation. Vincentius mentions the Russia conspiracies coming out from the Democrats. To that I state I agree. Virtually the entirety of Trump's senior government members including himself are servants to Putin now. You respond stating Putin killed some dudes and is a bad man. I ask how that is related and now you're fetching an unrelated quote from a previous convo chain... Bloody hell man get a hold of yourself. I'm doing quite well, thank you. We are talking about the cold war style angle from the Democrats and if you want to respond to that then do so, but do not wildly stray into something else. Now perhaps you'll get all pigheaded and say something childish like "make me" and to that I say what the great poet Squall often remarked... whatever. I can't stop you acting like a loony. Nah, I'll just ignore you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicente Martinez Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) And here we see the unbeatable debating skills of certain people,outright rejecting and ignoring decent and sensible points,ignoring evidence,while providing nothing but unsubstantiated rumours (like Putin killing people) and doing nonsense in general. Edited April 4, 2017 by Vincent de Beer Quote "If a person is satisfied with everything,then he is a complete idiot.A normal person cannot be satisfied with everything."~Vladimir Putin "Every human being makes mistakes."~Ian Smith We do not know what tomorrow will bring. We are not prophets. This is a step in the dark. We can only proceed into the future with faith.~Pieter Wilhelm Botha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caecus Posted April 4, 2017 Author Share Posted April 4, 2017 And here we see the unbeatable debating skills of certain people,outright rejecting and ignoring decent and sensible points,ignoring evidence,while providing nothing but unsubstantiated rumours (like Putin killing people) and doing nonsense in general. lol. Quote It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Putin killing dudes does in no way prove he is the monster under the bed controlling the American government. Kim kills loads of dudes too and doesn't mean Trump is Kim wearing a mask. I don't doubt to be clear that Putin kills dudes, he does loads of nasty stuff, but that in no way is supportive of the Democrat red scare angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicente Martinez Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Then again there's no proof to suggest that Putin actually killed those people Quote "If a person is satisfied with everything,then he is a complete idiot.A normal person cannot be satisfied with everything."~Vladimir Putin "Every human being makes mistakes."~Ian Smith We do not know what tomorrow will bring. We are not prophets. This is a step in the dark. We can only proceed into the future with faith.~Pieter Wilhelm Botha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 There's a pretty solid mountain of it actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) The polonium got on onto thpy agent's shoes and hands so if the spray-painted some lines you could follow a guided tour of the fellow's route to the tea place and then if it hasn't been seized yet, get mild polonium poison yourself. Killing an investigative journalist native to Russia using that specific vor is basically like putting a sticker onto the dead woman's back identifying yourself as the killer. Stopping briefly at the London rezidentura on his way out of the country was an especially good way to restrict people thinking innocent Mother Russia had something to do with this very Russian method of killing Russians living in London over the years. Edited April 5, 2017 by ComradeMilton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Well no actually. As far as I know there is nothing strong that directly proves Putin being directly involved. Russia doing something is not evidence Putin ordered it considering those agencies are known to do things on their own either. Guys like Putin are careful enough usually to not have a direct trail to them be it killings or corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Putin is the leader of siloviki and had an enormous problem Litvenenko constantly telling the West about the screwed up things Putin had ordered the FSB and SVR to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Putin favours Siloviks and would qualify as one if he weren't the head honcho, however he ain't their leader. He is the leader of Russia and thus their leader in that sense, but he isn't "the leader of the Siloviki". It'd be like saying Trump is the leader of the Democrat party. Technically he is their President but calling him the leader of the Democrat party would be absurd as he is in no way leading them in such a capacity. Again. Putin killing dudes is not evidence and is all quite irrelevant if the case or not. Lets say he killed 1000 dudes and ate their livers. Said acts would not by extension prove the cold war style accusations being made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicente Martinez Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Putin is the leader of siloviki and had an enormous problem Litvenenko constantly telling the West about the screwed up things Putin had ordered the FSB and SVR to do Yes but that isn't direct evidence,besides,there's not a shred of proof to suggest that Putin was directly involved. Quote "If a person is satisfied with everything,then he is a complete idiot.A normal person cannot be satisfied with everything."~Vladimir Putin "Every human being makes mistakes."~Ian Smith We do not know what tomorrow will bring. We are not prophets. This is a step in the dark. We can only proceed into the future with faith.~Pieter Wilhelm Botha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Putin favours Siloviks and would qualify as one if he weren't the head honcho, however he ain't their leader. He is the leader of Russia and thus their leader in that sense, but he isn't "the leader of the Siloviki". It'd be like saying Trump is the leader of the Democrat party. Technically he is their President but calling him the leader of the Democrat party would be absurd as he is in no way leading them in such a capacity. Again. Putin killing dudes is not evidence and is all quite irrelevant if the case or not. Lets say he killed 1000 dudes and ate their livers. Said acts would not by extension prove the cold war style accusations being made.other Do you not know what the term means? He's quite natturally the leader of the group. They're in no way a party and he's without question the leader both financially and in terms of virtually any other power in Russia: "Silovik (Russian: ÑиловиÌк; IPA: [sʲɪlÉˈvʲik]; plural: siloviki, Russian: ÑиловикиÌ; IPA: [sʲɪlÉ™vʲɪˈkʲi]) is a Russian word for politicians from the security or military services, often the officers of the former KGB, GRU, FSB, SVR, the Federal Drug Control or other security services who came into power. It can also refer to security-service personnel from any country or nationality where the more general term securocrat is used." -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silovik Yes but that isn't direct evidence,besides,there's not a shred of proof to suggest that Putin was directly involved. There's enough. They're all still tending towards how they behaved during the KGB and former FSB and SVR members which would mean not only did he authorize it, he likely left it unspoken that if the assassin failed he'd be just as dead as Litvenenko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I am well aware in that its a type of politician. There is has no "leader". Both Trump and Sanders are populists for example and no-one would say that Trump is Sanders' boss in that sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I am well aware in that its a type of politician. There is has no "leader". Both Trump and Sanders are populists for example and no-one would say that Trump is Sanders' boss in that sense. Of course there's a leader. If you're the fascist dictator of a country with that organization and are also a former KGB agent it's you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Your own link states they do not have a leader. Putin ain't officially the leader of them in that sense you're talking about. He is their leader in the sense of him being the leader of Russia, but you could say that about any other group there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 It's a good thing you don't live in Russia. You'd probably be being beaten in Lubyanka on someone's personal orders which he can't give as the non-leader and definitely doesn't maintain his own personal special forces unit in that same building for when people need to be killed or kidnapped. It's a power network like the Chinese red phones and with fascist totalitarian leadership of Russia at every level, particularly with the security services and the fact that he's likely the richest man on Earth he's definitely the leader. If you disagree you're welcome to head over to Russia with a sign accusing Putin of having stolen more than a hundred billion dollars in state revenue and see how long you last. Then you can ask if Putin ordered them to visit you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 So I take it you have given up then. Putin is not the leader as they don't have a leader as they are a brand of politician. I will repeat myself again, as usual. Putin is their boss but officially he is not their boss in the capacity you make out. You need evidence for that, not anecdote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 No, I'm not giving it up. There's quite specifically going to be nothing open available to document it so if you need an impossible standard met that's your problem.He's the leader and they do what he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 They are members of government and he is the leader of government... of course they do as he says. He is their leader in that sense. As a group of simply them? No. There is no leader of such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Amusingly enough Russian siloviki who believe things like that end up dying from TOTALLY NOT ORDERS FROM LEADER PUTIN shortly afterward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Like I told you, he is the leader, but not in the sense you make out. Again I will use Trump to demonstrate. Trump is the leader of America. So thus in America: Trump is the leader of Liberals. Trump is the leader of Progressives. Trump is the leader of Socialists. Trump is the leader of Communists. Trump is the leader of Anarchists. Trump is the leader of Libertarians. Trump is the leader of Neo-Conservatives. Trump is the leader of Conservatives. Trump is the leader of Nationalists. ...so on. In the case of Putin he shares the common features of that type of politician who like him a lot naturally as he does their type of wanted policies however he ain't their "head". Not in that sense. Also you must learn that you need evidence to actually put something forward as fact and that committing a crime does not mean you are guilty of something else. You can't prove that Putin has done a Communist plot and planted his fellow Communist, Comrade Trump, in the seat of the President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Like I told you, he is the leader, but not in the sense you make out. Again I will use Trump to demonstrate. You should stop; it doesn't work. Trump is the leader of America. So thus in America: Trump is the leader of Liberals. Trump is the leader of Progressives. Trump is the leader of Socialists. Trump is the leader of Communists. Trump is the leader of Anarchists. Trump is the leader of Libertarians. Trump is the leader of Neo-Conservatives. Trump is the leader of Conservatives. Trump is the leader of Nationalists. ...so on. In the case of Putin he shares the common features of that type of politician who like him a lot naturally as he does their type of wanted policies however he ain't their "head". Not in that sense. They're also not a politically unit, they're more or less the vor family that runs the country and no way is anyone but Putin running it. Also you must learn that you need evidence to actually put something forward as fact and that committing a crime does not mean you are guilty of something else. You can't prove that Putin has done a Communist plot and planted his fellow Communist, Comrade Trump, in the seat of the President. There've never been communists. I don't have to do anything. You can choose to look dumb and ignore my comments, but that doesn't bother me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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