Terminus Est declaration of War.

[Sargun]

Sargun is trying to be like Eumirbago.

 

rude

[Spaceman Thrax]

rude

 

just take the L, fam

[Bollocks]

Sargun is trying to be like Eumirbago.

Like I stated before, TKR is China. Trying to copy and steal everything.

Does this mean Dalinar is Deng Xiaoping because he was a pretty stellar leader

[vonnorman]

By using logic, that obviously means that you always will lose because as you said, that you always chose the losing side then you always lose , by using logic of course. That's all that choosing such side brings.

Or maybe by choosing the losing side, i can eventually be one of the cogs to make that side a winning machine. Then ill switch sides AGAIN just to be beaten by the side i helped!! Mwahahahahahahahaha

[Prefontaine]

I've been mostly quiet since I don't see much sense in bickering in public. But RE this line in particular... not really. If you want to go Alpha go Alpha: don't pretend our coalition has decided to hold you down, just because, full stop. It has a lot more to do with the bargaining position you stated and the way you went about stating it than any decision anyone on our side made.

 

(At least as far as I know. But if I'm wrong feel to set me straight and I'll help you raise Hell over it. )

Was told we're fighting so the rest of the game can catch up. That's being held down. And most of your guys I've talked to are complaining about having nothing to do so that's the us having more fun. So yes, you're incorrect. I never demanded anything in negotiations, just being told we were speeding by the game police and we have to stop while the rest of the game catches up.

[Tim Armstrong]

Interesting that Sparta was talking to t$ about merging and then actually merged with TEst and t$ uses that merger as evidence that TEst is protecting whales.

 

Maybe Sparta's leadership just had the foresight to see that joining t$ meant a game that was intolerably one-sided and wanted to keep it more open by merging with paperless TEst instead.

 

But losing the Sparta merge is no reason to say "no retaliation" for Pantheon and then hit TEst a little while later for Pantheon. Unless you are the world police like t$, apparently.

[Big Brother]

But losing the Sparta merge is no reason to say "no retaliation" for Pantheon and then hit TEst a little while later for Pantheon. Unless you are the world police like t$, apparently.

 

Realistic summary of t$ foreign policy:

 

[Ivan the Red]

Wait, t$ is the World Police now? And we are doing it for free? Do we look like Socialists to you?

 

We run a serious business here. We would only become the World Police if people started paying us for protection. Sadly, such services are not, at the moment, in our line of business. Though we are always open to expansion of our business model.

 

Regarding Pantheon:

Revenge/Retribution for the damage you did to them, was, is, and will be their call, not ours.

 

But affirmative action for the damage you did to our business, that is definitely our call.

 

We don't care about revenge, we respect what you did, this is not a grudge war. But, letting people inconvenience our strategic planning and get away with it scott free? You know we can't afford to allow that. Would be bad for business.

 

You had several months to offer compensation. Not that we were expecting it, because that's not the kind of people you are and from a personal perspective we totally love you for it. But this is not about personal feelings. This is business.

Edited January 4, 2017 by Ivan the Red

[Prefonteen]

When I retired and they rejoiced at the thought of a world without Partisan WoTs, I scoffed and retorted that they would come to miss the righteous orator. When in the darkest corners of Orbis, they believed my retirement to usher in a new era of peace and co-existence, I scoffed and retorted that the world is as it is and shall remain as it must.

 

A fool, they thought me. Yet here we are. I hear you, citizens of Orbis. Your clamor for a return to the golden days of Partisan's fair and just rule is only the natural consequence of experiencing a world without it. The yearning for my poetic prose to wash away the intellectually insulting garbage that is passed off as debate and propaganda comes entirely anticipated.

 

Fear not however. Your prayers are heard. The Holy Snek is upon us.

 

-ssssssss

[seabasstion]

 

Regarding Pantheon:

Revenge/Retribution for the damage you did to them, was, is, and will be their call, not ours.

 

 

at least we all now know they have no interest in ever fighting their own fight. i hope you are getting paid much more to fight for them this time than the last war they sat out

[Prefontaine]

Wait, t$ is the World Police now? And we are doing it for free? Do we look like Socialists to you?

 

We run a serious business here. We would only become the World Police if people started paying us for protection. Sadly, such services are not, at the moment, in our line of business. Though we are always open to expansion of our business model.

 

Regarding Pantheon:

Revenge/Retribution for the damage you did to them, was, is, and will be their call, not ours.

 

But affirmative action for the damage you did to our business, that is definitely our call.

 

We don't care about revenge, we respect what you did, this is not a grudge war. But, letting people inconvenience our strategic planning and get away with it scott free? You know we can't afford to allow that. Would be bad for business.

 

You had several months to offer compensation. Not that we were expecting it, because that's not the kind of people you are and from a personal perspective we totally love you for it. But this is not about personal feelings. This is business.

 

Edit: You know what, !@#$ it. If you want to know what is actually up and why your statement is so horribly flawed message me privately. 

Edited January 4, 2017 by Prefontaine

[Big Brother]

at least we all now know they have no interest in ever fighting their own fight. i hope you are getting paid much more to fight for them this time than the last war they sat out

 

We'll be collecting our payment in blood this time around for use in development of our newest venture, the SyndiAid Blood Bank. The goal of the SyndiAid Blood Bank will be to provide high quality biological specimens to various medical and research institutions on Orbis in exchange for monetary compensation. Bulk purchases of procured specimens are available to the Blood God, vampires and other creatures hungry for the sweet sweet taste of human blood.

[Spaceman Thrax]

I'm chatting with Pre about the being held down thing. I don't see anything in his post that makes me feel less like he has a say in how this played out, though.

 

Interesting that Sparta was talking to t$ about merging and then actually merged with TEst and t$ uses that merger as evidence that TEst is protecting whales.

Maybe Sparta's leadership just had the foresight to see that joining t$ meant a game that was intolerably one-sided and wanted to keep it more open by merging with paperless TEst instead.

But losing the Sparta merge is no reason to say "no retaliation" for Pantheon and then hit TEst a little while later for Pantheon. Unless you are the world police like t$, apparently.

 

Pretty disappointingly unfair. Hit me up if you actually want to talk instead of just arbitrarily believing stuff. But: I don't remember earnest talks of Sparta merging into us (was it back when you were FA? That was ages ago), it's not something we tried to solicit to anywhere even CLOSE to the level TEst did, and if they'd merged here they'd have fought more difficult wars and probably wouldn't be such whales.  

[Aksel]

This is my favorite thread.

 

Thanks Orbis

[HoffaKnows]

As a former gov member of Sparta, I can say we had merger offers daily, but never from T$.

[seabasstion]

yeah there was never a talk of us going into ts. i was also very pro ts while other members were more pro rose/alpha. i think that was one of the reasons why we never really did anything useful is we never really set our sights correctly. there was a moment of serious consideration to merging with pantheon but that fell apart when it became pretty clear fist's strategy was to walk the line between rose and ts and wait to see who would win before snuggling up to whomever that happened to be. that was the closest we would have came to 'merging' with ts

[Spaceman Thrax]

I appreciate that, Seab/Hoffa. We certainly got along with Sparta and had a couple good joint projects, but at the same time I think both sides recognized we were doing different things to the point where friendship made a lot more sense than a merge would have.

 

If your point, Tim, was that I think a hard fight is something that should happen to every nation now and again... well yes. Guilty that far, at least. My opinion more than a policy for my alliance, let alone my coalition, but I do think that.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

yeah there was never a talk of us going into ts. i was also very pro ts while other members were more pro rose/alpha. i think that was one of the reasons why we never really did anything useful is we never really set our sights correctly. there was a moment of serious consideration to merging with pantheon but that fell apart when it became pretty clear fist's strategy was to walk the line between rose and ts and wait to see who would win before snuggling up to whomever that happened to be. that was the closest we would have came to 'merging' with ts

We were 5 mins away from doing something until you admitted that you faked a CB against Test and we called off the war, which then lead to Alpha getting rolled a few weeks later.

[seabasstion]

We were 5 mins away from doing something until you admitted that you faked a CB against Test and we called off the war, which then lead to Alpha getting rolled a few weeks later.

I have no idea what you're talking about

[Caecus]

I have no idea what you're talking about

 

That's my cue right? Just say the word and I will wall text to remind you. 

[seabasstion]

That's my cue right? Just say the word and I will wall text to remind you.

Bird

[jaguar]

Bird

No pls

[Flame of the Flawed]

Heh, I was gonna say, I didn't know about this supposed t$-Sparta merger unless it was a Partisan snek-rit back in the day. Thanks old Sparta guys for clearing that up. I was going through my memory banks wondering if I'd forgotten that. Tim, where'd you hear that juicy bit of gossip from?

[Tim Armstrong]

Heh, I was gonna say, I didn't know about this supposed t$-Sparta merger unless it was a Partisan snek-rit back in the day. Thanks old Sparta guys for clearing that up. I was going through my memory banks wondering if I'd forgotten that. Tim, where'd you hear that juicy bit of gossip from?

I guess I'm mistaken. Wah-wah.

 

Onto the business of war with this new system.

[Charles Bolivar]

You all seem to have the miss conception that you're great at FA because you have a lot of treaties. You have a lot of treaties because you won a lot of wars, which makes you good at war, especially in a few of those fights. People are often attracted to the winning side and I know a few of those hegemoney lines are because of that. Great FA means winning wars without fighting them. Great FA also means defusing wars. Great FA also means many other things, but great FA is not how many treaties you have. 

 

The reason for your sphere's existence is fear. Yours and your enemies, well, former enemies. Several of your leaders have effectively described the last year as "survival mode". Why were you in survival mode? Because you were afraid of losing to Paracov. Why were you afraid of losing to Paracov? Because they had a stupid amount of nations/score stacked up against you. During this time your alliance, at least leadership, made many attempts to try to convince Paracov to split up because so much aligned on one side is bad for the game, because it's bad for politics, but honestly it's just bad. Not all of the leaders who parroted this argument are around in your sphere, at least as leaders, so I suppose you're not all hypocrites but plenty are. Luckily for you Paracov's numbers were inflated by their uselessness. Somewhere between 3-5 of every point of score Paracov had was actually only worth 1. Either due to inactives, inexperience, or poor leadership their numbers didn't reflect even remotely what those numbers should have been able to do. So you won, not taking anything away from you there, was a good show. But out of the dust you steadily became what you hated and fought against, allegedly. 

 

Both sides of the game steadily built up their spheres more and more until the inevitable happened, you are now allied to half of the game. This is not because you're great at FA, this is because both sides were afraid of losing. Well, that war is over and the side who complained about hegemoney's being bad is now the hegemoney and proud. The side that used to be viewed as the hegemoney is bitter and complaining about the hegemoney. Both of you all are hypocrites, however there is one important difference. Only the hegemoney can actually do anything about it. You can tell them to "git gud" all you want, even if they double their effectiveness and make their score reflect 2-3ish of every actual point they're still not as good as most of you at war. 

 

So here we are. You claim you're hitting TEst because we've bullied others, we didn't let that last more than 1 round except against Ace and Arrgh in the last year, even Arrgh didn't go very long after we sold down and fought. We never tried to hold anyone down. TFP held themselves down honestly, and GPA was mostly raiding though you could make arguments there, but they didn't matter in terms of spheres and hegemoney's. You also claim TEst was hit for revenge for Pantheon. Everything Pantheon has said, even as this war started, was that they didn't want revenge. There's also that whole you guys !@#$ about the 168 day war CB's and such, but as we've established there are a lot of hypocrites in your ranks and leadership. You claim TEst was hit because we were a wild card and a threat. We've always been a "wild card", a wild card you enjoyed working with on a few occasions but now that you've no actual threats, we're a threat? Kay. Some even claim that we were hit because I'm a smug prick, which is true. But here's why I'm smug as !@#$, because I am better than you because I put the game first. I might not be the best fighter, best FA, best leader, etc.. You probably have better people in your alliances than me in those regards, but I'm not afraid. When Guardian's little sphere was the dominant power in Orbis I routinely turned away alliances who wanted to ally to us because I knew we were the top dogs in the game, we were the villians like you all are now. Villians need to be defeated, eventually. That's why I never allied to more than SK/TEst and occassionaly Rose. There needed to be healthy competition with a decent chance for success. You clamor around telling them to get good when even if they were "good enough" to rally the rest of the game to their side you would still have more and we already know from history over half your sphere is better at warfare than over half the nations they could assemble.

 

I left leadership in Guardian because sitting at the top is boring, which I'm sure many of you are beginning to understand. Thankfully that sphere collapsed shortly after I left largely due to Tenages wanted to backstab Rose as hard as possible and SK intel being the most secure in the game (lulz). Their sphere effectively defeated themselves. Paracov defeated themselves with lots of poor choices, Partisan and I had a good chat long ago about how !@#$ed tS was if they actually played their cards remotely right, with or without sucking at war. Now that your the dominant power you sit around and bask in your own hypocritical glory. The rest of the game isn't going to rally against you, I've seen the back channels. It doesn't matter how gud they git. What does matter is how long will it be before your sphere gets too bored of doing nothing entertaining and will it be before the rest of the game as given up enough to stop playing. The other alternative being you stop being afraid to lose and split up, because if you split up one side will eventually lose to the other in some way. Whether it's boredum or ceasing fear of losing, the game waits for you to split up for interesting FA to happen. 

 

There's my Partisan WoT impression. Enjoy shit posting it. 

 

I am getting to the party late but I was always under the impression that dinosaurs became extinct due to a meteor impact. Turns out it was actually a result of high sodium intake.