Moreau Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) They came to fight ISIS but today the Turkish forces, the US backed rebels, Assad, the Kurdish Communist forces, all of them are fighting each other. This reminds me of a certain verse from the Qur'an " You think they (the Kuf'far) are together but their hearts are divided " (59:14) BREAKING : It has been confirmed, the Turkish forces are invading Kurdish Communist held Kobane right now. The war is now full scale. Edited August 28, 2016 by Moreau Quote Signed by Sultan Moreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikhan Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 No kidding, the war has been full scale for a while. This only makes things worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 They came to fight ISIS but today the Turkish forces, the US backed rebels, Assad, the Kurdish Communist forces, all of them are fighting each other. This reminds me of a certain verse from the Qur'an " You think they (the Kuf'far) are together but their hearts are divided " When were the Turks and Kurds ever united? When were Assad and his fanatic enemies ever united? When was Assad and the Turks united? Also I love how you reference "Kuf'far" when the Turks, Assad, Kurds, and "rebels", each force involved is Muslim. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemal Ergenekon Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Turks and Kurds were temporarily allied back during the Turkish War of Independence (1919-1922). Turks and Kurds in Northern Iraq (Barzani) were also allied against the other Kurds (PKK) since 1980-1990s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Turks and Kurds were temporarily allied back during the Turkish War of Independence (1919-1922). Turks and Kurds in Northern Iraq (Barzani) were also allied against the other Kurds (PKK) since 1980-1990s. I was talking about this conflict specifically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ungawa Jones Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) I'm rather disappointed in the United States for abruptly and decisively abandoning the primary force that has pummeled Daesh for the past two years since their victory at Kobane. Western Special Forces and air strikes were instrumental in their success, but they are practically the only faction in the civil war that does not include Jihadists in their coalition but instead Arab, Kurdish, and Turkmen militias. Al-Nusra has somehow swayed most of the rest of the Syrian Opposition that they are trustworthy with a simple nation change and a symbolic cutting off ties with Al Qaeda. The FSA brigades sent by Turkey will not be able to hold their own without heavy Turkish involvement and arming for the duration of the conflict. The refugee crisis alongside fighting the PKK inside Turkey's borders is only going to open more wounds and conflict inside the country. Ankara has made a serious error and so did Washington in betraying the best force to fight against Daesh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Koban%C3%AE There are legitimate concerns that the PYD and the YPG's extension of their 'Kurdish corridor' could lead to increased ethnic tensions within Turkey itself, but that is already happening when Erdogan broke the ceasefire and began to bomb the PKK. He willingly chose to restart that conflict and having two US-supported factions fight while ISIS recovers are not going to end well. The strategy is quixotic at best and when asked about their support for the SDF the US is suddenly very silent after complimenting them on their months-long siege in Manbij and the loss of hundreds of SDF fighters to take it. https://twitter.com/OIRSpox/status/769158879859077120 Now they're being asked to simply return east across the Euphrates after spilling their blood with US promises and support. Turkey is incredibly opportunistic in moving across the border not to fight ISIS but simply to deny the SDF a contiguous territory. When they arrived in Jarabulus it was already abandoned as they regrouped in Al-Bab. Also, I wouldn't confuse the PYD with the Communist PKK. The PYD do have ties with the PKK, however, their brand of socialism has not been one with authoritarianism. On the contrary, their cantons are highly decentralized and have a far more libertarian foundation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_municipalism The creation of the SDF has also muddied the ideology of the forces including the PYD (Political Arm of the Kurds), YPG (Military arm) alongside Arabs, Turkmen, and Syriac Christians. Manbij has largely been overturned to Arab-led brigades given that the city is mostly Arab rather than Kurdish, but that hasn't stopped Turkish bombardment of the vicinity. Their brigades also include those who identify as part of the 'FSA' which is more of a brand than an actual cohesive organization at this point. There's been numerous debates on whether the FSA even really exists given how splintered it is. You have FSA secularists (Azaz pocket) who are largely on their own, those who have basically become subordinate to Jihadists in Idlib or Aleppo, and elements in Rojava/SDF territory. Here's an excellent tool to follow the conflict as well as others including Ukraine, ISIS in both Iraq and Syria. http://syria.liveuamap.com/ Edited August 29, 2016 by Fanag 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemal Ergenekon Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I guess the US is now regretting putting Erdogan in power back in the Bush era. "Moderate Islam" my ass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ungawa Jones Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 "Moderate beheaders." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Obligatory Pro-Assad Post: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ungawa Jones Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) Memes aside. He made a hilarious mistake in bombing Al-Hasakah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_al-Hasakah_(2016) Edited August 29, 2016 by Fanag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Just saw this, seems about right. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 -snip- Just saw this, seems about right. He would fit in with all of my co-workers. And my boss. And my boss's boss. And his boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ungawa Jones Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Well, they certainly were told to head east for the Euphrates, so they're doing so from the west! They took some villages east of Tall Rifat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemal Ergenekon Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Thanks for the map. I predict more TR on YPG action. This also makes TR look very incompetent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moreau Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 Loving the view of Kurdish terrorist sympathisers dying in their rage!! Please do continue to die in your rage. Quote Signed by Sultan Moreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ungawa Jones Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Funny coming from the silver medalists in genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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