Paragon Announcement

[Abbas Mehdi]

So does this mean Rose and VE are paraGONE? (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞

came here just to upvote this

[Lord of Puns]

So does this mean Rose and VE are paraGONE? (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞

 

Rather disappointed this was not my own 

[Caillou]

People that want to fight NPO: I applaud you paragon, excellent call and way to make thing interesting.

 

NPO: Have fun getting rolled.

[LordRahl2]

You need to reexamine your statement. You'll find your reference of entropy looks silly.

This is why I love Alpha.

[Aerys Targaryen]

Entropy will cause them all to merge into two poles again.  You can have a period of chaos but it will all resolve itself, relatively, quickly.  Its theory and, unlike Dr. Rush, I have seen it play out that way 100% of the time.

 

Entropy would create several smaller blocs, rather than having two bigger blocs (more the possible combinations, more the entropy). But I do agree with your assessment of a bipolar world.

[Doktor Avalanche]

But, one pole is splintering into insignificant parts.

Define Insignificant.

[Roquentin]

People that want to fight NPO: I applaud you paragon, excellent call and way to make thing interesting.

 

NPO: Have fun getting rolled.

 

 I have already clarified our official position on the matter.

 

edit: no point.

Edited August 9, 2016 by Roquentin

[DVDCCHN]

Shit.

Purge

[durmij]

Entropy would create several smaller blocs, rather than having two bigger blocs (more the possible combinations, more the entropy). But I do agree with your assessment of a bipolar world.

The entropy is in reference to the fact that 2 blocs is easier and requires less energy. It's the decay state of the game, and you have to be willing to invest energy to change it.

[Foltest]

I think this game is healthy as ever... The inactive AA's just need to disband or splinter into more active groups and people probably wouldn't think the world is constantly ending.

[LordRahl2]

Entropy would create several smaller blocs

 

Oh that is true, I meant to convey or write revers entropy.  I will try to check my typing from my mobile.

[Aerys Targaryen]

The entropy is in reference to the fact that 2 blocs is easier and requires less energy. It's the decay state of the game, and you have to be willing to invest energy to change it.

 

But that's not entropy though Entropy is not applicable in this scenario, because over time relations are formed between alliances and some are not easy to break. I agree with everything that's said wrt to game, we do become bipolar and that's great ! It leads to epic wars, several alliances joining in etc..,

[Betulius]

You guys seem to be conflating entropy with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Entropy is just a measurement.

[Aerys Targaryen]

You guys seem to be conflating entropy with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Entropy is just a measurement.

 

2nd law of thermodynamics defines what entropy is. Is there any other entropy that I'm unaware of?

 

I was talking about this entropy, S = kb ln(Ω)

[Them]

2nd law of thermodynamics defines what entropy is. Is there any other entropy that I'm unaware of?

 

I was talking about this entropy, S = kb ln(Ω)

Entropy, as in chaos

 

Instead of entropy, I believe that the state of the world in this game is better depicted through a negative feedback loop, where equilibrium is the 2 bloc system we all know and love.

Edited August 9, 2016 by Them

[Betulius]

2nd law of thermodynamics defines what entropy is. Is there any other entropy that I'm unaware of?

 

I was talking about this entropy, S = kb ln(Ω)

 

No, it states that entropy in a closed system always increases. Entropy is more or less a measure of the number of possible arrangements in a given scenario.

 

LordRahl2 gave an example of a scenario in which entropy decreases (at least for part of the system). The concept of entropy is still applicable.

[LostWorld]

http://multivax.com/last_question.html

 

One of the best short stories on entropy u like. Sgoyld be fibd with sciebtists and pastors.

[Aerys Targaryen]

No, it states that entropy in a closed system always increases. Entropy is more or less a measure of the number of possible arrangements in a given scenario.

 

LordRahl2 gave an example of a scenario in which entropy decreases (at least for part of the system). The concept of entropy is still applicable.

 

No, Entropy in a closed system can increase or decrease. Though according to the second law, an increase in entropy means an event is spontaneous, it leaves a conflict with first law which states decrease in enthalpy is spontaneous. Conflict occurs in systems which undergo decrease in entropy and decrease in enthalpy (in which case, according to Ist law, it's spontaneous and according to second law it's not spontaneous). That's where the third law comes in.

 

According to third law, when entropy decreases, that event can be spontaneous as long as

(change in enthalpy) > ( Temperature times change in entropy).

 

The second law also states entropy of the universe, which is the sum of entropy of the system and entropy of the surroundings will always increase no matter what.

 

So if we apply thermodynamics to our situation in hand,

 

VE/Rose/NPO/UPN etc.., (previous allies of VE/Rose) = system

Every other alliance = surroundings

Orbis = Universe.

Enthalpy equivalent = none (but can be taken as nation score or military as well, though it won't be accurate)

 

With respect to the system here, less treaties and so more possible ways alliance politics can evolve in future. So entropy increases.

With respect to the surroundings, people are still signing treaties. Entropy decreases.

 

LordRahl said (which I agree to), every world ends up with two extreme poles. It's also unlikely that we see more paperless alliances or more break up of treaties, especially because here it's more than just a physical system of gases or molecules. A treaty once formed, takes extreme scenario to break up. Comparatively, it's rather easy to form treaties than to break it.

 

So I don't think Entropy as a concept is applicable here.

Edited August 9, 2016 by Aerys Targaryen

[Yosodog]

No, it states that entropy in a closed system always increases. Entropy is more or less a measure of the number of possible arrangements in a given scenario.

 

LordRahl2 gave an example of a scenario in which entropy decreases (at least for part of the system). The concept of entropy is still applicable.

 

Actually, you're all wrong.

 

Hi PW, my name is Yosodog and I have a PhD in Astronomics. You can call me Dr Yoso if you like.

 

Your assumption about entropy is entirely incorrect. According to Dr Smhity, a researcher at MIT who studied Astropy, entropy is a phenomenon caused when salt levels in a community gets too high. Heard mentality assumes that x = 1, and if the speed of light stays constant, we will continually see entropy increase. When the paradoxical fastidious gets to nirvana, we see the x constant rise to 1.2, which causes you to smell the salt in the air.

 

Now, you said that the second law of thermodynamics states that entropy in a closed system always increases. This is also clearly incorrect as it conflicts with Einstein's second law of calculus, which states that an object in motion always slows down unless it is pushed again. Now, when a circuit stays closed, that circuit will continue to build in power resulting in a phenomena called: supernova. When a supernova occurs, entropy increases.

 

The moon landing was fake.

 

I hope that answered all of your questions. I wanted to make sure the record was straight. I couldn't tolerate the amount of incorrectness that was going on here.

[Keegoz]

You know, when I posted this, I could never have thought we would spark a debate over Entropy.

[LostWorld]

What if you consider individual nations as molecules.

[Aerys Targaryen]

What if you consider individual nations as molecules.

 

Irrespective of whether we consider nations or alliances, it's a open system. Because number of nations increases, old nations can go inactive, new nations keep joining. Same with alliances, so it's not applicable

 

 

You know, when I posted this, I could never have thought we would spark a debate over Entropy.

 

You're welcome

Edited August 9, 2016 by Aerys Targaryen

[LordRahl2]

What I really wanted to discuss was Huntington uni-multipolar theory as it relates to this particular case and point out that it is untenable.  And it would therefore revert to bipolarity but it is tough to explain on a mobile so I tried, and failed, at a shortcut.

Edited August 9, 2016 by LordRahl2

[James II]

I regret commenting.

Edited August 9, 2016 by James II

[Prefontaine]

I just assumed he meant atrophy instead of entropy.