Rozalia Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 I agree it's fair enough to suggest that down the line their opinions towards the EU may change. However at this point, in the short term I would doubt that that would be the case. They'll quickly get over it especially if France and the Netherlands also vote to leave in the next 2 years or so years it could possibly be (also some more Crises can happen during that period lets not forget). That'll be the end of the EU so not much point crying about not being part of union that will no longer exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 A lot of racism, sexism, and ageism within the remain camp. Disgusting. Sad! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguar Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 They'll quickly get over it especially if France and the Netherlands also vote to leave in the next 2 years or so years it could possibly be (also some more Crises can happen during that period lets not forget). That'll be the end of the EU so not much point crying about not being part of union that will no longer exist. God, what did EU do to you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/746242192696545280 With Great Britain leaving the EU Julian Assange will soon be able to leave his jail at the embassy. God, what did EU do to you? Um? Pushing Multiculturalism, Globalism, Anti-Nationalism, and wanting to dominate and absorb me and my nation. They're also like the Red Tories in a lot of respects in that they give some scraps and then pretend to be something they're not, so very dishonest people in short that hurt the actual movement they pretend to be (when it suits) meaning we either have them, or something far worse. Of course the fight continues but thats one group of scum out of the way in a couple of years, and with no bullets and killings needing to be fired/done, very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguar Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/746242192696545280 With Great Britain leaving the EU Julian Assange will soon be able to leave his jail at the embassy. Um? Pushing Multiculturalism, Globalism, Anti-Nationalism, and wanting to dominate and absorb me and my nation. They're also like the Red Tories in a lot of respects in that they give some scraps and then pretend to be something they're not, so very dishonest people in short that hurt the actual movement they pretend to be (when it suits) meaning we either have them, or something far worse. Of course the fight continues but thats one group of scum out of the way in a couple of years, and with no bullets and killings needing to be fired/done, very good. Yeah you're way too conservative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 Yeah you're way too conservative Which just shows how unaware you are then because I couldn't be further from a Conservative in a lot of respects. You would be better suited with Reactionary I'd say though that doesn't quite fit (close enough perhaps). Anyway a big part of the Anti-EU movement came from the left, the real left that is, not those poxy Red Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Ap Ioan Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) They're also like the Red Tories in a lot of respects in that they give some scraps and then pretend to be something they're not, so very dishonest people in short that hurt the actual movement they pretend to be (when it suits) meaning we either have them, or something far worse. You speak about dishonest people, but the leaders of the Leave campaign were both shelved as journalists for their dishonesty. Both Boris and Gove have been caught out and are being hoisted by their petard. Cameron refusing to implement Article 50 has likely destroyed their future careers. Farage is a banker and we all know how honest they are. Trump is a business man who's fortune, that he inherited from his father, has fallen almost to bankruptcy several times. You speak about dishonesty in your opponents but seem to disregard the dishonesty of those you support. Isn't that intellectual dishonesty? Edited June 25, 2016 by Robert Ap Ioan Quote Still a man hears what he wants to hearAnd disregards the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguar Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I just really hope you fit in the standard of average voter for brexit(middle aged+, no high education, far from London) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) You speak about dishonest people, but the leaders of the Leave campaign were both shelved as journalists for their dishonesty. Both Boris and Gove have been caught out and are being hoisted by their petard. Cameron refusing to implement Article 50 has likely destroyed their future careers. Farage is a banker and we all know how honest they are. Trump is a business man who's fortune, that he inherited from his father, has fallen almost to bankruptcy several times. You speak about dishonesty in your opponents but seem to disregard the dishonesty of those you support. Isn't that intellectual dishonesty? Showing yourself up a bit I think. Farage has never been a banker and him dismantling a guy attacking him by turning that lie on him is somewhat well known I'd say. The "Trump should have just hid all of his money away and created 0 jobs" has never cut much of the mustard. The amount he inherited and when is also often lied about also. It's an odd propaganda piece where in the same breath they use to attack Trump on both being extremely rich and poor. Boris and Gove are not my guys (I heavily dislike the Tories but hey, if short term alliances are required then lets have it), I don't support them though I may show leniency to Boris depending on how he carries things out now. Cameron somehow destroying their careers by not using article 50 is pretty incorrect I'd say also, makes it easier on them if anything. I just really hope you fit in the standard of average voter for brexit(middle aged+, no high education, far from London) Far from London? Anywhere but London (if we're talking just England) would be more accurate. Also please stop with the stereotypes and isms, terribly Un-PC and you don't want to be that surely mate. Surely. The younger generation has had "higher" (some of the things they do...) education (College/University) promoted for them as something they should do while the older generation was more of a "get stuck into work" when growing up. That does not mean the older generation is some group of thickies, they know more of the world then those new born babies currently crying about the EU certainly. As for myself I'm just within/above that often mentioned Remain heavy bracket (varies) and went to University too. Sorry to disappoint you, but demoralisation simply does not effect some of us. Edited June 25, 2016 by Rozalia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 For the most part the high energy only comes from one side, namely the one I'm on however sometimes there are cases of some fun stuff such as the Trump Japanese commercial parody... however... even while trying to get across a negative message they often botch it so badly that like the Japanese Trump commercial it comes off as supportive or simply a bit of fun instead. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Ap Ioan Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) Showing yourself up a bit I think. Farage has never been a banker and him dismantling a guy attacking him by turning that lie on him is somewhat well known I'd say. The "Trump should have just hid all of his money away and created 0 jobs" has never cut much of the mustard. The amount he inherited and when is also often lied about also. It's an odd propaganda piece where in the same breath they use to attack Trump on both being extremely rich and poor. Boris and Gove are not my guys (I heavily dislike the Tories but hey, if short term alliances are required then lets have it), I don't support them though I may show leniency to Boris depending on how he carries things out now. Cameron somehow destroying their careers by not using article 50 is pretty incorrect I'd say also, makes it easier on them if anything. Ah yes, he was a commodity broker, so good at selling crap. Was a member of the Tory party until they backed down on the eurosceptism, went to a public school - one of the best and most expensive in the South East, leads a party funded by ex-Tory party members who felt the party was Tory enough and whose only MP's and AMs are former Tory party members. Most famous comment - We are the true successors to Thatcher Less famous comment - The NHS needs to be privatised - backed away from as it would turn most left wing labour supporters off UKIP. I don't understand how you can support a party that has Mark Reckless, Douglas Carswell and Neil Hamilton as it's biggest name politicians after Farage, receives funding from the owners of the Torygraph and support from the Torygraph. Can you present any evidence that the leaders of UKIP are not old fashioned Tories? Or do I need to dig more to show the fact that the UKIP leadership is just Conservative 2.0...and anyhow what is being conserved; Their own wealth... Port Talbot has been fighting to "save our steel", and Wales voted out. Swansea gets a brand new university majorly funded by the EU, and Wales voted out. Our beaches are clean and the water safe to swim in thanks to the EU blue flag initiative, and we've got an incredible coastal path around the country that brings so much tourism funded by the EU, and Wales voted out. Jobs Growth Wales is funded with £25 million from the EU, giving young people aged 18-25 the opportunity to train and work in a variety of industries to get a decent start in life, and Wales voted out. More than 500 EU businesses have Welsh operations which provide 57,000-plus jobs, and the Unite union claims that “roughly 150,000 Welsh jobs rely directly upon European funding†and Wales voted out. Wales has had £4,000,000,000 in structural funding from the EU since 2000, plus Wales doesn't give money to the EU itself - the UK government makes the contribution YET WALES VOTED OUT What have we done?! I am so grateful I didn't vote out, voted the other way because of THIS! It's odd that the areas where people commented on immigration have the least amount of immigrant population in the UK. I can understand this as a protest vote on Cameron, but this vote will have repercussions. This is why the youth who researched before voting are Cacking themselves royally. Edited June 26, 2016 by Robert Ap Ioan 1 Quote Still a man hears what he wants to hearAnd disregards the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 Ah yes, he was a commodity broker, so good at selling crap. Was a member of the Tory party until they backed down on the eurosceptism, went to a public school - one of the best and most expensive in the South East, leads a party funded by ex-Tory party members who felt the party was Tory enough and whose only MP's and AMs are former Tory party members. Most famous comment - We are the true successors to Thatcher Less famous comment - The NHS needs to be privatised - backed away from as it would turn most left wing labour supporters off UKIP. I don't understand how you can support a party that has Mark Reckless, Douglas Carswell and Neil Hamilton as it's biggest name politicians after Farage, receives funding from the owners of the Torygraph and support from the Torygraph. Can you present any evidence that the leaders of UKIP are not old fashioned Tories? Or do I need to dig more to show the fact that the UKIP leadership is just Conservative 2.0...and anyhow what is being conserved; Their own wealth... What have we done?! I am so grateful I didn't vote out, voted the other way because of THIS! It's odd that the areas where people commented on immigration have the least amount of immigrant population in the UK. I can understand this as a protest vote on Cameron, but this vote will have repercussions. This is why the youth who researched before voting are Cacking themselves royally. Should he have been a chimney sweep? Banker is a loaded term, that group that represents "them", but a broker? Doesn't really cut the mustard with people. Yes he is a well off man... and? ??? You don't seem to quite know who you're dealing with here if you think such things are news or matter to me. UKIP are the "old Tories", not exactly a secret... and? Tell me what they matter to those old Labour voters who vote for them that have been betrayed again and again by Labour? How I've always seen it is quite logically they know UKIP at least will address some of their concerns, while Labour will address all of zero. In Europe too you're getting left wing folk, who have been told they're stupid/racist/so on and what they are concerned about doesn't matter going to the "far right" who are often more left wing economically than the actual supposed "Socialists". No party fits me so I give support as I see fit. UKIP at the very least do not want to give the country away and thats a very big plus in my book when everyone else does. Additionally I'd just love for them to utterly annihilate Labour, they deserve it and then perhaps we'll get a real Socialist party (Corbyn can't do it and he's way too nice/weak anyway). Bribes didn't work I suppose. The EU cares zero for Wales so please don't delude yourself. Places like Wales, Scotland, and some other places interest the EU because it can help forward their goals. In this case it mattered for nothing as Wales mirrored England and hated the EU more and more. The reason to this fact from the "enlightened" and "mature" generation... well it's not been very nice no. Saw a lot of insults going Wales way, very disgraceful. Oh come now, hold off on the jokes. You make it sound like those youngsters who voted for the EU are some wise sages. In reality they know nothing beyond what has been fed to them by the establishment many of them profess to hate so much, and care for nothing but themselves (oh no they'll have to go through some hassle involving paperwork when going to Spain, the poor dears) which is not surprising considering how many of them hate the concept of the Nation state. Again you don't understand that when people think of immigration they don't just think of just the present but the future. Look at the "global city" of London, that is what to expect creeping elsewhere (as it has)? No, none of that. My area has a strong number, it voted coincidentally 52 to 48 for Leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoS Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 It's cute that so many think they won a victory over globalism. Dreaming that politics is anything less than a cost of doing business. This type goes back to the tea tax. Corrupting politics to effect law to turn a profit. Do you have any idea how much money and new advantages the globalists gained from this? While crushing the small investors. This happened only because the globalists wanted it to happen. Not the hippies and cucks you see as the face of globalism, but the power brokers who don't give a !@#$ about the aspirations of the left or the right. The idea that this results in real sovereignty and real change is an illusion. They're still owned by the same corporations that will still get the same results pushed through parliament by the politicians they own. They actually have fewer politicians to bribe now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) It's cute that so many think they won a victory over globalism. Dreaming that politics is anything less than a cost of doing business. This type goes back to the tea tax. Corrupting politics to effect law to turn a profit. Do you have any idea how much money and new advantages the globalists gained from this? While crushing the small investors. This happened only because the globalists wanted it to happen. Not the hippies and cucks you see as the face of globalism, but the power brokers who don't give a !@#$ about the aspirations of the left or the right. The idea that this results in real sovereignty and real change is an illusion. They're still owned by the same corporations that will still get the same results pushed through parliament by the politicians they own. They actually have fewer politicians to bribe now. Yes. The EU sabotaged itself so heavily to the point it can lead to it's ruin and then the removal of global policies in Europe, to uh, make money, small time money at that. Swap the tin foil hat out mate. The "hippies and cucks" as you put it are the footsoldiers, they're controlled quite easily yes. Seen you do this before and some others elsewhere, doesn't cut the mustard mate. This type will state that talk of corruption is completely correct however nothing changes so keep the corruption going. Why support going against the EU if corrupt Tories exist? So uh, opposing corruption, you should just keep the EU because uh, it doesn't matter. Either put yourself one way or the other, keep the dishonest talk out please. You're not fooling anyone in your intentions. Stick with the petty attacks such as implications I partake in Bestiality, you're at least honest in that. Edited June 26, 2016 by Rozalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) Just saw a young man on Question Time rip into Abbot for attacking Farage over "broken promises" the other Leave camp made. Also a non-EU migrant (appeared Indian and yes I know, I'm a racist !@#$ WHITE MALE! for making an assumption on that) stating that the Remain side is completely unconcerned on what effects supporting EU immigration has on them. Like with Mexicans effecting legal black and Hispanics in America, the left wing can't quite comprehend it all. I mean you're both minorities right, why don't you bloody support each other you damn stupid savages they bleat. Edited June 26, 2016 by Rozalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Oh c'mon besides being the worst possible time and place, that was funny. If you're seriously offended by what was intended as a good natured joke, then I sincerely apologize. I'm not promoting defeatism. I'm just saying you're not going to find a solution in the choices they present to you. Like, Hillary never would have become president but they found a way to ensure her victory. You have to look past your fears and passions, because that is what they exploit. Small financial gains? Silly me I thought there were record moves on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagnarBuliwyf Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) Before I left the EU＼＼ ＿　　 ï¼¼( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 　　　 <　⌒ヽ 　　　/ 　 ã¸ï¼¼ 　　 /　　/　＼＼ 　　 ﾚ　ノ　　 ヽ_㤠　　/　/ 　 /　/| 　(　(ヽ 　|　|ã€ï¼¼ã€€| 丿 ï¼¼ ⌒)　| |　　) /`ノ )　　LﾉAfter I left the EU:ï¼ï¾Œï¾Œ 　　　　　　 　ム｀ヽ / ノ) 　）　ヽ / ｜　　( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°）ノ⌒（ã‚._,ノ /　ﾉ⌒7⌒ヽーã　 ï¼¼ã€€ï¼ ä¸¶ï¼¿ ノ ｡　　 ノ､　｡|/ 　　 `ヽ `ー-'_人`ーﾉ 　　　 丶 ï¿£ _人'彡) I voted in. I just find this stupidly funny. Edited June 26, 2016 by RagnarBuliwyf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) Oh c'mon besides being the worst possible time and place, that was funny. If you're seriously offended by what was intended as a good natured joke, then I sincerely apologize. I'm not promoting defeatism. I'm just saying you're not going to find a solution in the choices they present to you. Like, Hillary never would have become president but they found a way to ensure her victory. You have to look past your fears and passions, because that is what they exploit. Small financial gains? Silly me I thought there were record moves on the market. When done with people who do it seriously I'll see it as serious on your part too. Hillary will lose. What then? You'll say they still won of course. No, what you're promoting is just that. As they "exploit" both sides (not actually the case unless you see rich people as one big blob of evil) that means you've lost either way and nothing matters. No, there are things that matters. Chump change relative to what they have to lose. Edited June 26, 2016 by Rozalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Mine was completely separate from others. Take it as you will. My apology was genuine either way. Democracy and capitalism are married as one. Yes or no is gonna have benefits to one financial position or another. The so called rich are little pimps to the power brokers I'm speaking of. Chump change. Obviously you don't have a clue how much money they just made. And they adjust to change so much better than the working/middle class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 Just been reading the Lib Dems are vowing they will fight the next general election with the promise of taking the country back into the EU. Well now isn't that something. The party of lying yellow Tories are going for double points in conning the young and hey, they may well just do it. Will the young after being betrayed and laughed at for believing the Lib Dem were left wing do it again because their precious EU got hurt... umm, you know unlike the very nasty people in Remain I say they won't. Some talk of MPs who are overwhelmingly for Remain (80%+) either blocking it entirely or forcing a second vote to "stop the madness". Considering the EU's version of democracy is vote and vote until you get the "right result" so they are very much EU politicians certainly. Mine was completely separate from others. Take it as you will. My apology was genuine either way.Democracy and capitalism are married as one. Yes or no is gonna have benefits to one financial position or another. The so called rich are little pimps to the power brokers I'm speaking of.Chump change. Obviously you don't have a clue how much money they just made. And they adjust to change so much better than the working/middle class. Fine, then it's sorted. Odd how the person who mocks those who talk of a victory over Globalism can speak such things. You got to be a bit more on point and clear, I don't have time to try and decipher who you mean exactly. You could be meaning "the Jews" for all I know. Read what I said again. It's a large sum of money, hence why I used the word "relative" when comparing to what they will lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted June 27, 2016 Author Share Posted June 27, 2016 Sorry boys and girls, facebook posts aren't votes. So they got 75% out of 36%... thats 27% all round. I'd bet good money to say that those who didn't vote in that bracket don't share views with the Remainers. A lot of barking from the loud minority in short, but no bite. The majority of young people DO NOT thus support the EU quite clearly. The majority don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Just been reading the Lib Dems are vowing they will fight the next general election with the promise of taking the country back into the EU. Well now isn't that something. The party of lying yellow Tories are going for double points in conning the young and hey, they may well just do it. Will the young after being betrayed and laughed at for believing the Lib Dem were left wing do it again because their precious EU got hurt... umm, you know unlike the very nasty people in Remain I say they won't. Some talk of MPs who are overwhelmingly for Remain (80%+) either blocking it entirely or forcing a second vote to "stop the madness". Considering the EU's version of democracy is vote and vote until you get the "right result" so they are very much EU politicians certainly. Fine, then it's sorted. Odd how the person who mocks those who talk of a victory over Globalism can speak such things. You got to be a bit more on point and clear, I don't have time to try and decipher who you mean exactly. You could be meaning "the Jews" for all I know. Read what I said again. It's a large sum of money, hence why I used the word "relative" when comparing to what they will lose. The contradiction you note is probably that I'm not a nationalist. I don't see sovereignty as a solution to corruption. I'm fond of the idea of a world without borders. I just don't want it and us to be owned by the Jews (jk I don't want to be owned by anyone regardless of their origin. The question of who is way off topic and really not important. It's enough to know that there are private interests behind politics. We know private groups have pushed globalism for at least decades. Others, maybe the same groups have been pushing a similar agenda for several generations. Ultimately, the voter is the weak link. Because they are almost always predictable when presented with certain choices. I suspect that they very much wanted the UK removed. For more than just short term gain, which is substantial. 15% in a day is far better than 5%/year. And again, whatever trade regs change, they are more than equipped to profit from it more than the average cretin. They have a long view that the political cycle just can't grasp or contain. Their agenda is consistent for generations, while we squabble over transitory shit. So yeah, I don't have much faith that people will defeat them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooves Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 "What is the EU?" "What does it mean to leave the EU?" I'm astonished this was/is the most google searched phrase in the UK. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I'm not at all astonished. That's why I'm a cynical bastard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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