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And Trump is such a model !@#$ ing citizen.  So much crap comes out of that guys mouth, he could fill an entire landfill with that shit.  It's hard to believe in this day and age that some people like clinging on to old, nasty, dirty douchbags.

 

-Snip of quotes that are mostly senseless as a lot of them are either positive or irrelevant-

 

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Seems I triggered you by showing Mr Johnson isn't so nice after all. He's a nasty guy and very dishonest for trying to con Socialists (I believe in a lot of things Bernie does, we're very similar so vote for me) and Conservatives (Big government, especially that Bernie lad's socialism is vile. I'll trim down the government so vote for me) both. Paraphrasing of course, but the point is this pedestal people have put the guy on is ridiculous.

 

Read my post again. Trump isn't a paragon of virtue and everybody knows that. However fellows like Mr Johnson and his supporters will stand up on their high ground and talk like they're so much better. They ain't. Same for Sanders and company also. 

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Seems I triggered you by showing Mr Johnson isn't so nice after all. He's a nasty guy and very dishonest for trying to con Socialists (I believe in a lot of things Bernie does, we're very similar so vote for me) and Conservatives (Big government, especially that Bernie lad's socialism is vile. I'll trim down the government so vote for me) both. Paraphrasing of course, but the point is this pedestal people have put the guy on is ridiculous.

 

Read my post again. Trump isn't a paragon of virtue and everybody knows that. However fellows like Mr Johnson and his supporters will stand up on their high ground and talk like they're so much better. They ain't. Same for Sanders and company also. 

You say quotes were snipped due to either being positive or irrelevant......that's a bullshit way of dodging all the negative crap he has said.......we'll just call that irrelevant.  Nobody is putting Gary Johnson on any sort of pedestal, the guy does one thing out of character and people lose their god damned minds.  Speaking of putting people on pedestals......with all the threads and stuff you've been posting about Trump seems a bit like idol worship to me.  God forbid he does make it as president, he won't give a seat at his table.  So why not go build your shrine to him, sacrifice a few women and Hispanics to him on your alter of broken dreams. 

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You say quotes were snipped due to either being positive or irrelevant......that's a bullshit way of dodging all the negative crap he has said.......we'll just call that irrelevant.  Nobody is putting Gary Johnson on any sort of pedestal, the guy does one thing out of character and people lose their god damned minds.  Speaking of putting people on pedestals......with all the threads and stuff you've been posting about Trump seems a bit like idol worship to me.  God forbid he does make it as president, he won't give a seat at his table.  So why not go build your shrine to him, sacrifice a few women and Hispanics to him on your alter of broken dreams. 

 

Incorrect. I snipped them for their length, adding in that they're positive/irrelevant anyway. Trump saying there is no star on the Democratic stage is some big deal is it? Him saying he's taking out ISIS? Come now. Trump is curt, he stumps nimbly, because he has to, time is running out on America. 

 

As the holy book (The Art of the Deal) says, "And stump them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And cuckoldry is worse than stumping... but if they desist, then lo! Trump is forgiving and merciful. And stump them until there is no more Cuckoldry and support is for Trump alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Berniebots".

 

Trump loves Hispanics and he cherishes women. You're very dishonest, sort of like Ungrateful Gary. It's disgusting folks. 

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Trump loves Hispanics and he cherishes women. You're very dishonest, sort of like Ungrateful Gary. It's disgusting folks. 

Well, I guess a strong supporter of Trump would know a lot about dishonesty......hell, the guy can't even come up with his own campaign slogan!!!! 

 

“The line of ‘Make America great again,’ the phrase, that was mine, I came up with it about a year ago, and I kept using it, and everybody’s using it, they are all loving it. I don’t know I guess I should copyright it, maybe I have copyrighted it.â€

— Trump, claiming that he was the first person to coin the phrase in March 2015. Ronald Reagan used the slogan over 35 years ago during his campaign.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_America_Great_Again

 

Talk about dishonest, sad and pathetic.......what a piece of shit he is!!!!!

 

EDIT:  Care to explain this, or is it.......irrelevant?

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As the holy book (The Art of the Deal)

 

Is he some sort of God now? Apperntly he thinks he is, considering he believes he has the power to "turn the water on" in a drought ridden California. OH I forgot there is no drought, California is just reciving significantly less rainfall and doesn't have enough water, that's completely different from a drought. Edited by Redael
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http://libertyhangout.org/2016/05/gary-johnson-shoots-himself-in-the-foot-throws-out-austin-petersens-gun/

 

Wow... 

 

He's a nasty guy. This man has the gall to attack Trump's character when he pulls moves like that. Very dishonest. Sad and Pathetic. 

Tossing something in the trash afterwards is not a crime, but dragging someone else's trash out to kowtow someone's reputation is wrong. There is a decent chance that Johnson may not have known it was an expensive gesture and thought it was a simple, cheap toy and did not want to hold onto it. Has there been a rebuttal? Any news caster ask him about it yet? Nope. Instead you call him out as a sad, pathetic, dishonest schill. How is tossing out a mock pistol in the trash dishonest? Sad? Pathetic? You sir are being dishonest with this assumption.

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Thanks mate. Checking post counts it seems I'm #6 nearing on #5 & #4. However I am the latest joiner of the lot by a significant margin so I am of course, under budget and ahead of schedule!

 

John Harms, Buorhann, and Moreau III are likewise High Energy!
 

Well, I guess a strong supporter of Trump would know a lot about dishonesty......hell, the guy can't even come up with his own campaign slogan!!!! 
 
“The line of ‘Make America great again,’ the phrase, that was mine, I came up with it about a year ago, and I kept using it, and everybody’s using it, they are all loving it. I don’t know I guess I should copyright it, maybe I have copyrighted it.â€
— Trump, claiming that he was the first person to coin the phrase in March 2015. Ronald Reagan used the slogan over 35 years ago during his campaign.
 
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_America_Great_Again
 
Talk about dishonest, sad and pathetic.......what a piece of shit he is!!!!!
 
EDIT:  Care to explain this, or is it.......irrelevant?

 
??? That the best you got? He "came up with it" for his slogan, checked to see if it was trademarked, wasn't, and so he did it. So in essence it's his, even if someone else used it previously, and everyone does indeed love it. 
 
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Gotchas of exact words are tiresome. 
 

Is he some sort of God now? Apperntly he thinks he is, considering he believes he has the power to "turn the water on" in a drought ridden California. OH I forgot there is no drought, California is just reciving significantly less rainfall and doesn't have enough water, that's completely different from a drought.

 
Correction. God Emperor.
 
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Another case of the media spinning something and you, the "well informed third party supporter" falling for it hook, line, and sinker. What Trump said was that there would be no drought (as in it wouldn't matter) if they "opened the water" by doing away with the mismanagement that goes on in the state right now. 
 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/29/but-donald-trump-is-right-about-california-water-the-problem-is-the-price-not-the-drought/#5d05422d236a
 
Trump is no idiot, and when he says he's smarter than anyone else running he is without a doubt correct. He isn't just smart in how he gains supporters, but smart in how he tears his opponents apart and even better in how he gets his opponents to humiliate and destroy themselves too (lol at the media). 
 

Tossing something in the trash afterwards is not a crime, but dragging someone else's trash out to kowtow someone's reputation is wrong. There is a decent chance that Johnson may not have known it was an expensive gesture and thought it was a simple, cheap toy and did not want to hold onto it. Has there been a rebuttal? Any news caster ask him about it yet? Nope. Instead you call him out as a sad, pathetic, dishonest schill. How is tossing out a mock pistol in the trash dishonest? Sad? Pathetic? You sir are being dishonest with this assumption.

 
Someone in a grand act gives him a replica of George Washington's flintlock pistol. 
 
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And he thinks it's... a cheap plastic toy and bins it? So either Ungrateful Gary is ungrateful or he's a total idiot, alright. However we know the answer to that.
 
http://libertyhangout.org/2016/05/gary-johnson-campaign-offers-austin-petersen-500-for-his-gun/
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/gungate-gary-johnson-tosses-austin-petersens-gift-trash-winning-nomination/
 
People love to attack Trump's character and act like their guys are so pure (Libertarians tend to be really bad in this aspect). However lets think about it. Trump stood by Corey Lewandowski who supports him when any other politician would have sacked him on the spot. Gary Johnson when given support and a gift by Austin Petersen, throws it in the trash in a massive show of disrespect.

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Trump Supporter using a Ron Paul and a Voluntaryist site for justifying heinous acts of disrespect against the Libertarian Candidate for Presidency = irony.

 

Not sure what exactly that matters for. Is Facebook and the videos included in that? They're Anti-Trump sites yes but I don't see how that discredits the matter, in fact I'd say it reinforces it if anything.

 

Instead of straight up apologising he's tried to use money to sweep it under the rug. Ungrateful Gary is a nasty guy. Very dishonest. Sad and Pathetic! If he does that to one of his biggest name supporters then what care will he have for you? Very ungrateful man. 

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Instead of straight up apologising he's tried to use money to sweep it under the rug. Ungrateful Gary is a nasty guy. Very dishonest. Sad and Pathetic! If he does that to one of his biggest name supporters then what care will he have for you? Very ungrateful man. 

Ungrateful? Probably. Maybe. I do not know.

Dishonest? Where is anyone being dishonest? You use this word but where is there an act of dishonesty?

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Ungrateful? Probably. Maybe. I do not know.

Dishonest? Where is anyone being dishonest? You use this word but where is there an act of dishonesty?

 

Well you see it went something akin to this.

 

Austin Petersen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et6dwlPvIHA

Ungrateful Gary: Thank you friend. This is really wonderful.

 

*Later On*

 

Ungrateful Gary: Disgusting. *Throws gun in trash*

 

If he didn't want it he could have turned the gun down. Instead he took it and then threw it in the trash. It's dishonesty and also cowardice as the dishonesty was likely because he didn't have the fortitude to turn Petersen down.

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Well you see it went something akin to this.

 

Austin Petersen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et6dwlPvIHA

Ungrateful Gary: Thank you friend. This is really wonderful.

 

*Later On*

 

Ungrateful Gary: Disgusting. *Throws gun in trash*

 

If he didn't want it he could have turned the gun down. Instead he took it and then threw it in the trash. It's dishonesty and also cowardice as the dishonesty was likely because he didn't have the fortitude to turn Petersen down.

Could have. He did not. I highly doubt he said it was disgusting. Just like Trump you are painting your own version of the truth.

 

The definition of dishonesty is deception shown in someone's character and/or behaviour. Tossing a gift in the trash is like a 0.2 on a scale of 1-10 whereas defrauding the pubic with a ponzi scheme university is a 9.6 - Ever sell or repackage those sweaters you get from Aunt Josephine each Christmas after telling her thank you and you love it? Huge difference between that and taking money from sheistering the public with a huge scam that you are currently battling in court. 

 

Heh, you do realize our options are a crooked Real Estate mogul who is in court over selling fraudulent courses from a ponzi scheme/scam, a Corporatist hawk being investigated for failure to comply with regulations concerning national security who gives $250k speeches to Wall St. moguls and "oh noez!", a guy who may have tossed a replica, non-functioning Revolutionary War pistol in a garbage can. 

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Could have. He did not. I highly doubt he said it was disgusting. Just like Trump you are painting your own version of the truth.

 

The definition of dishonesty is deception shown in someone's character and/or behaviour. Tossing a gift in the trash is like a 0.2 on a scale of 1-10 whereas defrauding the pubic with a ponzi scheme university is a 9.6 - Ever sell or repackage those sweaters you get from Aunt Josephine each Christmas after telling her thank you and you love it? Huge difference between that and taking money from sheistering the public with a huge scam that you are currently battling in court. 

 

Heh, you do realize our options are a crooked Real Estate mogul who is in court over selling fraudulent courses from a ponzi scheme/scam, a Corporatist hawk being investigated for failure to comply with regulations concerning national security who gives $250k speeches to Wall St. moguls and "oh noez!", a guy who may have tossed a replica, non-functioning Revolutionary War pistol in a garbage can. 

 

And why wouldn't he turn it down? He clearly didn't want it so why accept?

 

I already made mention of his others deficiencies. He's a dishonest person trying to appeal to both sides of the spectrum by leaving out pretty vital information (to them) of what he wants to do, this ain't minor stuff either, its yugely important to them. He ain't going to take the Socialists and Conservatives he's trying to trick to the promised land thats for sure. Considering all the talk I hear of him not being a real Libertarian (though to be fair that talk is so prevalent that it seems no one is a real Libertarian), I doubt he can take you either. 

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And why wouldn't he turn it down? He clearly didn't want it so why accept?

 

I already made mention of his others deficiencies. He's a dishonest person trying to appeal to both sides of the spectrum by leaving out pretty vital information (to them) of what he wants to do, this ain't minor stuff either, its yugely important to them. He ain't going to take the Socialists and Conservatives he's trying to trick to the promised land thats for sure. Considering all the talk I hear of him not being a real Libertarian (though to be fair that talk is so prevalent that it seems no one is a real Libertarian), I doubt he can take you either. 

Wikipedia has a pretty direct makeup of his political views he still upholds for his campaign today. I see no dishonesty on what he plans to do. It also does not leave any room as to how Gary will accomplish his objectives, minor and major. He does not appeal to Socialists and Conservatives are his largest critics. Wherever you get this idea he s attempting to trick into voting for him is from news outlets and not reality. Much of Bernie's crowd can be attracted to many libertarian ideals regardless of your bias.

 

"Big L" Libertarians always argue who has the bigger "L"-peen and who is a "LINO". its the same as Republicans arguing over who is the "RINO" in the room. Truth is many ex-Republicans join the LP due to the limited government aspect whereas many ex-Democrats join up for the civil liberties lacking in the Democratic Party. The fact is both the major parties are no longer representative of what the last 50 years has pretended their stances to be. The LP is an attempt at being for more freedoms while maintaining a very limited or "less "government.

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Wikipedia has a pretty direct makeup of his political views he still upholds for his campaign today. I see no dishonesty on what he plans to do. It also does not leave any room as to how Gary will accomplish his objectives, minor and major. He does not appeal to Socialists and Conservatives are his largest critics. Wherever you get this idea he s attempting to trick into voting for him is from news outlets and not reality. Much of Bernie's crowd can be attracted to many libertarian ideals regardless of your bias.

 

"Big L" Libertarians always argue who has the bigger "L"-peen and who is a "LINO". its the same as Republicans arguing over who is the "RINO" in the room. Truth is many ex-Republicans join the LP due to the limited government aspect whereas many ex-Democrats join up for the civil liberties lacking in the Democratic Party. The fact is both the major parties are no longer representative of what the last 50 years has pretended their stances to be. The LP is an attempt at being for more freedoms while maintaining a very limited or "less "government.

 

Oh come now. He's looking to snap up AntiTrump "True Conservatives" by talking about how Conservative he is (small government and such), and he's also looking to snap up Bernie lads by talking about how "free" he is (drugs and such). He wouldn't be praising Bernie (the big government socialist), attacking Trump, and cosying up to the Renegade Jew's lot otherwise. 

 

You want to talk that? Alright, perhaps you can help me a little bit. To preface groups can be most wide so keep in mind I am aware of this, and that yes I know the most extreme tend to be the most vocal and thus the most seen.

 

I don't honestly understand the zealots of Libertarianism. Some I can understand fine, they want more freedom and have certain beliefs in how that comes about, I can share views on that front... however the fundamentalism of many seems insanity. Such a thing is an attempt to unchain an aspect of the Republicans from all the rest (thereby appearing "nice") and bring about a society where the free market holy ghost will fix all ills and all the villains will magically be punished. Tell me what happens when you cut off the government while allowing millions of Mexicans (and others) in Ungrateful Gary's words (not mine) to "flood" over? All the while keeping the 10+ million illegals? What happens when those poor people suffering, riot against the weak government repeatedly seeking handouts? What happens when an authoritarian appears who calls the Libertarians weaklings who have ruined the country? Freedom is great, I'd say anybody who isn't a complete loony would tell you as much. However I don't understand how "pure" Libertarianism is supposed to work in reality, seems pure fantasy. Considering Ungrateful Gary is all for mass immigration and supports the illegals I cannot take him seriously. I am of course aware it's supposed to be a central tenant of Libertarianism (didn't stop him saying what he did about the burqa though...), but it seems self-destructive to me and not on a personal scale where I can agree on (drugs for example), but on a national scale which is a big deal. 

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Oh come now. He's looking to snap up AntiTrump "True Conservatives" by talking about how Conservative he is (small government and such), and he's also looking to snap up Bernie lads by talking about how "free" he is (drugs and such). He wouldn't be praising Bernie (the big government socialist), attacking Trump, and cosying up to the Renegade Jew's lot otherwise. 

 

You want to talk that? Alright, perhaps you can help me a little bit. To preface groups can be most wide so keep in mind I am aware of this, and that yes I know the most extreme tend to be the most vocal and thus the most seen.

 

I don't honestly understand the zealots of Libertarianism. Some I can understand fine, they want more freedom and have certain beliefs in how that comes about, I can share views on that front... however the fundamentalism of many seems insanity. Such a thing is an attempt to unchain an aspect of the Republicans from all the rest (thereby appearing "nice") and bring about a society where the free market holy ghost will fix all ills and all the villains will magically be punished. Tell me what happens when you cut off the government while allowing millions of Mexicans (and others) in Ungrateful Gary's words (not mine) to "flood" over? All the while keeping the 10+ million illegals? What happens when those poor people suffering, riot against the weak government repeatedly seeking handouts? What happens when an authoritarian appears who calls the Libertarians weaklings who have ruined the country? Freedom is great, I'd say anybody who isn't a complete loony would tell you as much. However I don't understand how "pure" Libertarianism is supposed to work in reality, seems pure fantasy. Considering Ungrateful Gary is all for mass immigration and supports the illegals I cannot take him seriously. I am of course aware it's supposed to be a central tenant of Libertarianism (didn't stop him saying what he did about the burqa though...), but it seems self-destructive to me and not on a personal scale where I can agree on (drugs for example), but on a national scale which is a big deal. 

Conservative Republicans are not small government and Libertarians are pro-legalizing of drugs. How is Gary actually believing in what he says pandering to the crowds?

 

Punishment in an actual free market is cutting off the private sector, thus ending Corporate Welfare, which is one of Bernie Sanders' plans. This is one of the complaints Hillary Clinton has with Bernie Sanders because he would cut off her supply line for private revenue and would actually have to account for certain personal funds. The Libertarian Party itself seeks to limit the dependence of the citizens from being reliant on government handouts, but this does not happen instantly overnight. Look at their platform and read the articles and platforms on how.

 

"Big L" Libertarians are members of the LP. Many who identify as libertarians are not "Big L" and cannot palate the party, but identify with the contributors to the ideology behind libertarianism. I am personally not a member of the party and associate more with Geo-libertarians, Agorists and as much I disagree with Syndicalists on approach I respect the principle behind the purpose.

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