Popular Post Prefonteen Posted April 21, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) http://pastebin.com/8EtMutDn The first link displayed above shows a set of logs which was leaked from the private chambers of a close ally of The $yndicate. These logs detail Roy_Mustang, The Syndicate's Head of IA discussing the possibility of a potential offensive on Alpha, whom he identified as a threat to the Syndicate due to continued manouvering and badmouthing against us. This post will provide a detailed explanation on the events that led up to the creation of the logs, as well as a breakdown of Steve's communications surrounding The $yndicate. Upon being handed the logs, Steve and James responded by immediately pushing them to as many parties they could find in an attempt to convince them to join Alpha in a pre-emptive strike against us. 6 Hours later, Alpha government contacted Roy briefly with veiled threats of going public: <Roy_Mustang> [23:54] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I'm sure you know why I'm here. <Roy_Mustang> [23:54] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Care to explain? <Roy_Mustang> [00:03] * You are now known as Roy_Mustang|Away <Roy_Mustang> [00:04] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Alright, we'll just talk it to the forums. <Roy_Mustang> [00:04] <Roy_Mustang|Away> I am away at the moment, your message has been logged ( away for 29 secs ) <Roy_Mustang> [00:04] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> <Roy_Mustang> [00:04] <Roy_Mustang|Away> I am away at the moment, your message has been logged ( away for 30 secs ) <Roy_Mustang> [00:04] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> That is your style anyway. <Roy_Mustang> [00:04] <Roy_Mustang|Away> I am away at the moment, your message has been logged ( away for 39 secs ) <Roy_Mustang> [00:27] * You are now known as Roy_Mustang <Roy_Mustang> [00:28] <Roy_Mustang> ah, I see you've become acquainted with my new auto-away script. I don't think I like it though, it amsgs my status and I hate amsg <Roy_Mustang> [00:29] <Roy_Mustang> cute veiled threat while I was away though, I'll give you that <Roy_Mustang> [00:31] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Not a threat. <Roy_Mustang> [00:31] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Just an acknowledgement of what is happening. <Roy_Mustang> [00:31] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> So care to explain? <Roy_Mustang> [00:31] <Roy_Mustang> I meant the "take it to the forums" bit <Roy_Mustang> [00:31] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> That's a threat? <Roy_Mustang> [00:32] <Roy_Mustang> maybe more a promise, i dunno, don't really care either <Roy_Mustang> [00:33] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> http://pastebin.com/8EtMutDn <Roy_Mustang> [00:33] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Please explain, thanks. <Roy_Mustang> [00:33] <Roy_Mustang> it's not as if the entirety of Orbis hasn't already seen the logdump you're referring to <Roy_Mustang> [00:33] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Then I'm sure you have a good answer. <Roy_Mustang> [00:34] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And who haven't you offered a treaty to? Did GPA even turn you down? <Roy_Mustang> [00:35] <Roy_Mustang> is that how we're going to start this off? really? lol <Roy_Mustang> [00:35] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Okay sure, I'll start. <Roy_Mustang> [00:36] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> We haven't been bad mouthing you. <Roy_Mustang> [00:36] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Nor have we been mobilizing support. <Roy_Mustang> [00:36] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I don't give a shit about tS. <Roy_Mustang> [00:36] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I've told you this for a long time. <Roy_Mustang> [00:36] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> But now I hear you guys are just going to attack us for shit that never even happened. <Roy_Mustang> [00:36] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> So is that true or not? <Roy_Mustang> [00:37] <Roy_Mustang> I'm gonna be blunt with you Steve <Roy_Mustang> [00:37] <Roy_Mustang> Either Alpha is the victim of an Orbis-wide conspiracy to make y'all look bad, or you just recited a complete load of horseshit to me. <Roy_Mustang> [00:38] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> So are you denying the logs are legit? <Roy_Mustang> [00:39] <Roy_Mustang> I'm saying you just tried to feed me a pile of horseshit. <Roy_Mustang> [00:39] <Roy_Mustang> And you know you just tried to feed me a pile of horseshit. <Roy_Mustang> [00:40] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I really hope you don't believe that. <Roy_Mustang> [00:40] <Roy_Mustang> So if the only point of this conversation is to have a diplomatic pissing match, I'm going to bed. <Roy_Mustang> [00:40] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> B/c remember we didn't even cancel our treaty. <Roy_Mustang> [00:40] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> That was on y'all. <Roy_Mustang> [00:40] <Roy_Mustang> And we can piss on each other in the morning. <Roy_Mustang> [00:40] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And I know you have been trying to run a PR train anywhere you can. <Roy_Mustang> [00:40] <Roy_Mustang> Goodnight, Steve. <Roy_Mustang> [00:40] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Okay, so maybe lets just talk about the logs. <Roy_Mustang> [00:41] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> So they are real, huH? <Roy_Mustang> [00:41] * You are now known as Roy_Mustang|Away <Roy_Mustang> [00:41] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Yea, I thought so. <Roy_Mustang> [00:41] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> See you on the forums. <Roy_Mustang> [00:41] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Following the log above, Steve moved to post the following thread: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/12320-hello-to-the-syndicate/ I'm sorry to clutter up the forums, but tS isn't really in the mood to talk to Alpha privately right now, so it seems. If you read the logs you can understand why.While I'm not surprised to read this log, it still saddens me. Based on how the Syndicate behaved towards us, I knew their gov. was most likely plotting. But in order to create a threat, they had to act like they were being threatened.....to spread misinformation that Alpha was a threat to them. When that didn't materialize they just still plotted ahead. So.....Care to explain, my old friends? Steve's beginning statement implies that The $yndicate was unwilling to enter into diplomacy, whereas Roy clearly stated it had to wait until the next morning, and while Steve's approach was less than diplomatic. It is worthwhile to make note of this occurrence as it falls in line with his style of operation over the past months: Playing a two-faced role towards ally and enemy alike. His second statement indicates that The $yndicate has behaved aggressively against Alpha, that we have been plotting and that Alpha has sat made no moves to warrant this. It accuses the $yndicate of trying to manufacture a threat by spreading misinformation regarding Alpha, and that our current moves are the result of the failure of materialization of our plans. We are asked to explain in public, and so we will. First off: The background of our cancellation. We move all the way back to the last war, when Alpha was still a close and valued ally of The Syndicate. When Rose brought about its CB (I will not delve into the details of that CB too much as it is not the primary focus of this post.) multiple weeks after the vanguard-Mensa recognition of hostilities, the $yndicate spent countless of hours in query with Rose and Alpha officials. We will spare you the details having to spit through countless logs. To summarize: After various attempts by the $yndicate to broker a diplomatic solution to the pending Rose-Mensa attack, Rose determined that it had to push forward and attack Mensa HQ in defense of Vanguard. As Vanguard was paperless and as The $yndicate held a Mutual Defense Pact with Mensa HQ, it went without saying that The $yndicate would be obligated to defend Mensa HQ against Rose. The lack of a treaty trigger or protection notice between Rose and Vanguard, in combination with Rose's unwillingness at the time to settle the matter diplomatically led The $yndicate along with its allies to enter on Mensa HQ. Both Guardian and SK maintained a similar treaty. Alpha initially was frustrated at our defense of Mensa, as they harbored resentment towards Mensa HQ and had made that abundantly clear to us. We delve into this history because it was brought to our attention that Alpha has been spreading select logs to support their statement that they were clear about their intentions from scratch. The full log (as the log spread by Alpha was but a snippet) can be found below: 01[21:38] <Partisan> I heard a whisper that Alpha might get involved 01[21:38] <Partisan> but it 'would not affect the war outcome or Rose/tS'? 01[21:38] <Partisan> What's going on [21:43] <James[NG-Alpha]> You didn't hear a whisper. [21:43] <James[NG-Alpha]> You heard it from Tim [21:43] <James[NG-Alpha]> 01[21:43] <Partisan> She whispered it to me in a soothing, sexy voice 01[21:43] <Partisan> 01[21:43] <Partisan> but yeah, what's it about? [21:46] <James[NG-Alpha]> It's about nothing. we don't know how the war is going to pan out. 01[21:48] <Partisan> I'm going off the Rose v Mensa assumption [21:48] <James[NG-Alpha]> Anything unecessary. [21:48] <James[NG-Alpha]> Lets say arrgh dow on tS for example [21:48] <James[NG-Alpha]> though we wouldn't have any targets [21:48] <James[NG-Alpha]> That's the sort of thing i'm talking about though. 01[21:48] <Partisan> Right 01[21:49] <Partisan> tS is going to need flexibility in movement if it wants to stand even a fighting chance against this Rose-VE-UPN coalition though [22:00] <James[NG-Alpha]> I'm not very flexible 01[22:02] <Partisan> You're going to have to be concrete with what you want or don't want us to do 01[22:03] <Partisan> We're fighting from an underdog position. Unless we hear a concrete request, i'm going to assume everything is free game man [22:09] <James[NG-Alpha]> We don't want Rose hit. [22:10] <James[NG-Alpha]> and the same goes for tS. [22:10] <James[NG-Alpha]> We won't accept chain ins. [22:10] <James[NG-Alpha]> I don't think hitting Rose is your best route. 01[22:13] <Partisan> Wait 01[22:13] <Partisan> you won't accept chain ins at all? 01[22:13] <Partisan> You realize that you are going to write our !@#$ death warrant with that, correct? 01[22:13] <Partisan> Won't accept chain ins on Rose --> We need to turn to VE. 01[22:13] <Partisan> UPN won't accept chain ins on VE 01[22:13] <Partisan> --> Our entire sphere forced to the sidelines while t$ burns? 01[22:13] <Partisan> Really bro? [22:16] <James[NG-Alpha]> I misspoke. I don't know what we'll do. Steve is the one who makes the final decisions. 01[22:16] <Partisan> I'll message Steve. This needs to be hashed out. Now keep in mind that a) Alpha claimed not to be picking sides and We were looking at a scenario where Rose was going to hit Mensa HQ, who had 3 MDP's: Guardian, t$ and SK. It had already become clear that both UPN and VE would honor their treaties, even if it was chaining (meaning: VE would defend Rose from counters and UPN would defend VE from counters). The implication of Alpha's decision to limit our possible counters to just t$, Guardian and SK was that these parties would be easily picked off and countered by VE and other Rose allies. The t$ allies who countered VE would in turn be picked up by UPN. A defacto death trap. Rose entered the war and The $yndicate, with the above in mind, opted to defend its ally. oA's were brought in to avoid the trap. As communications between Alpha and t$ continued, we eventually came to an understanding. Steve would limit its involvement to just Roz Wei. Alpha initially pitched the option in query: [05:58] Session Ident: Steve_Buscemi[NG] (Coldfront, Partisan) ([email protected]<script data-cfhash='f9e31' type="text/javascript">/* */</script>) [05:58] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Hey man! [05:58] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I bet you don't have any querries going on right now. [05:58] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> You got a sec, now that we are both calmer. 01[05:58] <Partisan> Hey 01[05:59] <Partisan> I do 01[05:59] <Partisan> Also heads up: I'm in a chan with abbas and have pulled in James to make sure Alpha has an idea of whats going on [05:59] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> So, I'm a bit calmer. [05:59] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Can you invite me too? 01[05:59] <Partisan> I've made a tentative peace offer that can un!@#$ this entire situation 01[05:59] <Partisan> sure 01[05:59] <Partisan> #Partisan 01[05:59] <Partisan> let me drop you logs [05:59] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Sure, thanks. [05:59] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> So, I was going to talk to you about Roz. [06:00] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Kind of in the same situation as Rose/Vanguard. 06[06:00] * Partisan nods [06:00] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And you know my thoughts, but I'm trying to avoid your allies. [06:00] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And Roz presents that opportunity. [06:00] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Also, while I disagree, I understand Gu, you, SK's involvement. [06:00] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And by that I mean....I know you had to do what you had to do. [06:00] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> But, Roz should get !@#$ed up a bit. 01[06:01] <Partisan> It means a lot hearing that man. I appreciate that [06:01] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And if James is telling me is true, if Mensa doesn't pull shit. [06:01] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Then I'll leave it up to Abbas/Rose and you. 01[06:01] <Partisan> By the way, I did tell James the same: While I do disagree and did feel betrayed, I do apologize for blowing up on you. Frustration with you reached peak level and I should have been more diplomatic [06:02] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And you'll have my support whatever you decide. [06:02] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Yea, we were both blunt, tired, and venting. No big deal. [06:02] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I appreciate the bluntness. [06:02] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> It's when we are fake nice that it's a problem. 01[06:02] <Partisan> That is true. [06:02] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Bah, we both like this game. 01[06:02] <Partisan> It's bad to leave things in the air, ha [06:02] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> It was good to chat with Manthrax a bit, just a different face. 01[06:03] <Partisan> So on your Roz question [06:03] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Well, I realized late that war is fun too. 01[06:03] <Partisan> Honestly, I think that is a type of involvement I can agree to in private. It safeguards my allies. [06:03] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Roz, is kind of in the same boat as Rose, so if you don't support Rose, you can't really support Roz either.....or that was my thinking. [06:04] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And Guardian will always be a sorta no-go, I won't even lie and say it's b/c they are your allies...it's b/c of my history and Alpha's plus they were our protectors. [06:04] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> But Roz....hell naw man. 01[06:04] <Partisan> It sucks for Roz Wei but it's the pragmatic solution that allows you to defend your ally without !@#$ us too hard 01[06:04] <Partisan> Am I reading that the right way? [06:04] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Yea. 01[06:04] <Partisan> Let me get a second opinion from Roy 01[06:05] <Partisan> but i'm not opposed to it. As a sign of goodwill I can probably throw a little cash at roz post-war to smooth that over [06:05] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> But I'm curious to here what comes from talks. 01[06:05] <Partisan> and everyone wins. 01[06:05] <Partisan> Yeah the talks I hope can fix this mess [06:05] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> With that said, I don't have any issues with Roz's entrace, I respect paperless, we defended paperless, but it's only b/c Rose is using paperless and people are going after it, that I think Roz is fair game. [06:05] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Although I wish you'd leave Fark alone. [06:06] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I think Mensa took care of them just fine. And Fark will learn a very valuable lesson. Trust me when I say, I was not doing milcom for Rose/Fark. [06:06] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> If I had been, this is not what it would've looked like. [06:06] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> As Memph can attest to. So know that our involvement wasn't central - Memph can be like, "yea if Buscemi was running shit every target would be covered" [06:06] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> That's what we did with UPN. 06[06:07] * Partisan nods 01[06:07] <Partisan> I don't think your involvement is central man. Didn't think that at any point. 01[06:08] <Partisan> I think that's a matter of heated situation, me wording my thoughts wrongly and you interpreting it wrongly as a result 01[06:09] <Partisan> I thought you were (unwittingly) complicit in harming t$' position. The approach im getting from you guys now tells me a more tame story though 01[06:10] <Partisan> On the fark thing 01[06:11] <Partisan> mind thinking along with me before I answer abbas? 01[06:11] <Partisan> My initial take on fark compensation is: 'well, they went oA on Mensa. This is the risk they take. Guardian isn't going to get compensated either. Shouldn't compensation fall on Rose's coalition?' 01[06:12] <Partisan> That's also a point I will receive if I push it [06:12] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Yea, I think James talked to you and said you guys now Rose wasn't planning the PP thing. 01[06:12] <Partisan> the 2nd issue i'm seeing is that it will be perceived as a surrender on our side- any compensation will be perceived as reps. We are prepared to peace out and leave this whole episode behind. I don't think I have the traction and momentum to broker a surrender [06:12] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Or at least that's what I heard. 01[06:12] <Partisan> Also, if you dont mind im copying that bit to james too [06:13] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I mean, Arrgh/PP etc. And if they were, they haven't told me. 01[06:13] <Partisan> since we're having two of the same conversations haha [06:13] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Ahh, I told him we were querrying [06:13] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> dude, should just make a joint tS-Alpha high gov. [06:13] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Since James and I really are the two to talk to. 01[06:13] <Partisan> lets kick it up real quick [06:13] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Just like me and James and your top 3-4 [06:13] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> full opsec clearance 01[06:14] <Partisan> #wallstreet [06:14] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> banned [06:14] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> err booted 01[06:16] <Partisan> rejoin Session Close: Fri Feb 05 07:37:05 2016 The above log shows Steve pitching the idea of limited entry in order to 'avoid t$ allies'. He also shows understanding of SK/Guardian/t$' reason for entry and confirms that he will 'leave it up to Rose and us'. And so it occurred: Alpha limited itself to Roz Wei and the coalition warfare continued. Days later, VE opened a front on The King's Parliament and SK opened a front on NAC (who was allied to VE and UPN), thus triggering the UPN treaty. It was after this trigger was made, on the night when UPN entered the fray against TKR, that Alpha launched a surprise assault upon our ally in Seven Kingdom's. The attack was unannounced and in direct contradiction to the scenario discussed above. Please view: Log with James which occured as I discovered the hit: Session Start: Tue Feb 09 04:41:08 2016 Session Ident: James[NG-Alpha] 01[06:27] <Partisan[E-SchlongWhippedOut]> hey 01[06:27] <Partisan[E-SchlongWhippedOut]> you or steve around? [06:28] <James[NG-Alpha]> I'm kind of around. Watching a movie 01[07:34] <Partisan> James[NG-Alpha] [07:34] <James[NG-Alpha]> Sup 01[07:34] <Partisan> So 01[07:34] <Partisan> UPN just engaged TKR 01[07:34] <Partisan> Seems like covenant is moving to take us out, ha 01[07:36] <Partisan> Why the !@#$ 01[07:36] <Partisan> did Steve hit SK? [07:41] <James[NG-Alpha]> SK declared on the entire coalition [07:42] <James[NG-Alpha]> Hit NAC outside of a treaty chain. Didn't want to get premepted. Weren't going to do anything else but SK said/did what they dif [07:42] <James[NG-Alpha]> Did* 01[07:42] <Partisan> Is that going to be your spin? 01[07:42] <Partisan> Then tell my why UPN is on TKR 01[07:43] <Partisan> as for SK's declaration: 01[07:43] <Partisan> From the Seven Kingdoms 01[07:43] <Partisan> I, Valdoroth Kai, King of the Seven Kingdoms, first of his name and Duke of House Drox do formally declare war on the North American Confederacy to liberate their people from their government and in defense of our coalition partners. 01[07:43] <Partisan> Any acts of aggression against our allies in this war, or those that support our allies are seen as the enemy and must be appropriately dealt with. 01[07:43] <Partisan> Valdoroth Kai 01[07:43] <Partisan> He formally declares war on NAC 01[07:43] <Partisan> the latter is a general statement. *not* a declaration of war 01[07:43] <Partisan> which is supported by no wars being launched 01[07:43] <Partisan> Furthermore, you have just broken the intelligence clause of our treaty. Session Start: Tue Feb 09 07:47:18 2016 Session Ident: James[NG-Alpha] 01[07:47] <Partisan> Sk and TKR are both allies of t$. I presume that you were aware of UPN's hit 01[07:47] <Partisan> you have no informed us of a hit on either ally, both of which would be classified as 'a direct threat to t$ security' [07:48] <James[NG-Alpha]> Lol talk to Steve dude. I'm not going to listen to you spin some BS. 01[07:48] <Partisan> I will talk to Steve 01[07:48] <Partisan> and don't worry, we still will not attack you 01[07:49] <Partisan> but i'm sure you understand we're pissed. [07:49] <James[NG-Alpha]> Because that's such a !@#$ burden. Keep threatening us and Rose this entire time and say we are violating the treaty? Are you kidding me? 01[07:50] <Partisan> Good luck James. [07:50] <James[NG-Alpha]> "If you don't take peace will make this war pyrrhic" "we are negotiating with a gun pointed at our heads" those quotes came from the same person. [07:50] <James[NG-Alpha]> Have fun making this about tS [07:51] <James[NG-Alpha]> It never has been 01[07:51] <Partisan> Correct. We've reached our limit after being dicked around for over a week. 01[07:52] <Partisan> You know full well that I have bent over backwards to accommodate both you and Rose. [07:52] <James[NG-Alpha]> Saying you won't attack your treaty partner sure is bending over backwards 01[07:52] <Partisan> 1<Partisan> <Partisan> I'm going to be frank with you man. We've consistently tried to be more than cooperative before the war started- and were met with hostility and escalation. We've tried to be more than cooperative since the war started- and are being met with ambiguity and stalling. 01[07:52] <Partisan> 01<Partisan> <Partisan> We understand Rose believes that it holds leverage. But the $yndicate is not the type of alliance to grovel for peace. We've offered peace as we believe it beneficial to both. But do not mistake this for weakness. We can still make the war pyrrhic to all parties involved. 01[07:52] <Partisan> 01<Partisan> <Partisan> My board is getting restless. 01[07:52] <Partisan> This was my quote. 01[07:52] <Partisan> If you wish to bring it up 01[07:52] <Partisan> and I stand the !@#$ by it. 01[07:53] <Partisan> Because it is the truth. We have been cooperative. We have let you all hit Roz Wei and done nothing. We have let VE rampage to appease UPN. We have offered Rose white peace including concessions. We have offered Rose a 1v1 with Mensa. We have spent hours trying to reason with UPN. 01[07:54] <Partisan> But hey, go ahead and pin it on us. [07:54] <James[NG-Alpha]> It's been mensa [07:54] <James[NG-Alpha]> You support Mensa behaviour. Mensa won't change they didn't after NAC [07:54] <James[NG-Alpha]> 6all wanted to keep declaring wars [07:54] <James[NG-Alpha]> The SK said we were their enemies [07:54] <James[NG-Alpha]> Then* [07:55] <James[NG-Alpha]> Didn't leave us much choice 01[07:55] <Partisan> Did you talk to SK? 01[07:55] <Partisan> or to tS about this? 01[07:55] <Partisan> you know, kind of like we continuously talked to you about our thoughts and process, even if you didn't like it? [07:55] <James[NG-Alpha]> Ehy so SK can prempt us? 01[07:55] <Partisan> Like the quote above 01[07:55] <Partisan> SK did not launch a single hit on you 01[07:55] <Partisan> and your logic is bullshit. You know that [07:55] <James[NG-Alpha]> Ya'll are all about premepts and hitting non involved parties 01[07:56] <Partisan> LOL [07:56] <James[NG-Alpha]> Well your allie s are 01[07:56] <Partisan> YOU just hit SK. t$ has not hit jackshit except follow its treaties. [07:56] <James[NG-Alpha]> Didn't I say except tS? 01[07:57] <Partisan> So you decide to break your word to tS without warning 01[07:57] <Partisan> and pre-empt its ally 01[07:57] <Partisan> Great going man. Great going [07:58] <James[NG-Alpha]> We didn't preempt [07:58] <James[NG-Alpha]> They declared on us [07:59] <James[NG-Alpha]> Also they hit fark [07:59] <James[NG-Alpha]> Not a premepted far within bounds [08:00] <James[NG-Alpha]> Attacking our ally and declaring on alpha [08:01] <James[NG-Alpha]> Did you know SK was hitting Fark? Our ally? Did 6ou tell us they were hitting our ally? [08:01] <James[NG-Alpha]> Doesn't matter because it doesn't violate the intelligence clause 01[08:02] <Partisan> Difference! Fark directly hit SK's ally, therefore: It was only logical and expected. 01[08:02] <Partisan> since they did so on an oA 01[08:02] <Partisan> you know, something you apparently despise The above confrontation seems James giving SK's wording of the DoW as its primary reason for its war. Upon being confronted with the actual text of the treaty, he makes a series of accusations, calls a private chat with an ally who is outraged over a taken action 'spin' and follows up by using SK's defense of Mensa against a Fark oA as his excuse for declaring. Worthy to note: Steve condemned the oA's on Rose while supporting Fark's oA on Mensa (as well as Rose's oA on Mensa, though he believed that to be a mandatory defense). Similar logs with Steve: 01[06:18] <Partisan[E-SchlongWhippedOut]> so 01[06:18] <Partisan[E-SchlongWhippedOut]> Steve_Buscemi[NG] 01[07:34] <Partisan> Steve_Buscemi[NG] [08:02] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Sup mate [08:02] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Sorry we had to return fire. [08:02] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> But SK declared war on our entire side. 01[08:02] <Partisan> You didn't have to. SK did not launch a single war [08:02] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And that means us. [08:03] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> They still declared war on our side. 01[08:03] <Partisan> I sure understand why you are running with this rhetoric 01[08:03] <Partisan> they didn't. Let's grab the DoW shall we 01[08:03] <Partisan> From the Seven Kingdoms 01[08:03] <Partisan> I, Valdoroth Kai, King of the Seven Kingdoms, first of his name and Duke of House Drox do formally declare war on the North American Confederacy to liberate their people from their government and in defense of our coalition partners. 01[08:03] <Partisan> Any acts of aggression against our allies in this war, or those that support our allies are seen as the enemy and must be appropriately dealt with. 01[08:03] <Partisan> Valdoroth Kai [08:03] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Plus, yea, I figured you would understand. [08:03] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> He also posted in the topic. 01[08:03] <Partisan> Declares war on NAC. [08:03] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> That is not how I view it. [08:03] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Sorry mate. [08:03] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> You declared war my ally. [08:03] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Then you had SK declare war on my other ally. [08:03] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I let that go. [08:03] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> B/c I knew there was more to it. [08:04] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> But when someone threats Alpha we will return fire, with full force. [08:04] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I'm sorry they are your allies. 01[08:04] <Partisan> So you're saying that you are breaking your word to tS and firing on tS' ally 01[08:04] <Partisan> because of words said in a topic? [08:04] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> No, I didn't break my word. 01[08:04] <Partisan> That's an interesting perspective. [08:04] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Not one single time to you. [08:04] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I told you why Roz. [08:04] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I told you why SK. 01[08:04] <Partisan> You stated directly that you would limit yourself to Roz. [08:04] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> It's not my fault SK declared war on Alpha. 01[08:04] <Partisan> SK did not declare war on Alpha [08:04] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Limit? 01[08:04] <Partisan> And you know it [08:05] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> If SK declares war on us, how am I to limit it to Roz? 01[08:06] <Partisan> SK did not declare war on you. [08:08] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> They declared war on our side. [08:08] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> You and I know this. [08:09] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> They are even trying to get out of it by offering a silly stupid amount of only $50m. 01[08:09] <Partisan> No, you and I do not know this. 01[08:09] <Partisan> As for the 50M: That was to rectify a screw-up 01[08:09] <Partisan> as NAC was not supposed to have been hit by SK 01[08:10] <Partisan> Something i've tried to rectify diplomatically. But you were too busy being hungup over the wording of a DoW and frothing at the mouth at the idea of being able to help Rose further. [08:24] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> That was not to "rectify" anything. [08:24] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> That was a slap in the face. [08:25] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> You knew SK had screwed up. [08:25] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And attacked our entire coalition. [08:25] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> If they were seriously it would be 100,000 steel and $200m at least. 01[08:25] <Partisan> No, I did not. SK never attacked your entire coalition. They launched wars on NAC and formally declared war on NAC 01[08:25] <Partisan> If you want to talk about Valdoroth's post, talk to valdoroth 01[08:25] <Partisan> I do not control his thoughts or words. [08:25] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> No, they called us by "our side" [08:25] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> they saw us as one unit. [08:25] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> That is their mistake. [08:26] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> We will not take threats lightly. [08:26] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Sorry, they are your allies. [08:26] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> But I understood you attacking my allies over their defense of Rose. 01[08:26] <Partisan> This is utterly ludicrous steve. Where do you find the !@#$ guts to call me out for 'slapping you in the face' while I am working over hours to try and solve a situation gone wrong in a way that sees all parties somewhat appeased? [08:26] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I will not allow you to tell me I don't have the right to defend my members against outside attack, even from your allies. Sorry man. [08:27] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I don't think Mensa wanted to solve anything diplomatically with Vanguard and I only think SK did when they realized what they had done. 01[08:27] <Partisan> Ultimately this is just going to be another one of these matters were we completely disagree on the interpretation of events. [08:27] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> That's not diplomacy, sorry. [08:27] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I guess so. [08:27] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> 01[08:27] <Partisan> You want to know what really happened 01[08:27] <Partisan> Surrounding the SK hit? 01[08:27] <Partisan> You could have !@#$ asked- since I have the logs to back it up 01[08:28] <Partisan> I told TKP to talk to Guardian and Mensa about coordinating on VE (after VE hit them)- since it was their front. 01[08:28] <Partisan> TKP then messaged SK (mistaking them for Guardian) and sent a bunch of NAC targets their way, stating I told them to coordinate with them. 01[08:28] <Partisan> Apparently they thought the front included NAC (globally) 01[08:28] <Partisan> SK acted on that. 01[08:29] <Partisan> And when it occurred, received backlash from us- That is also when I began working on a solution 01[08:29] <Partisan> Your whole rhetoric about 'declaring on the whole coalition'- frankly, I was not even aware that was an issue until you just attacked them. 01[08:29] <Partisan> So yeah, I'm god !@#$ pissed. [08:33] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I would imagine so, and I'm sorry for that. [08:33] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> But you should understand they declared war on us, in my view. [08:33] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And, I've remained calm why you piled on my ally Fark [08:33] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And even Rose. [08:33] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Due to the situation [08:33] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> so now, due to the situation, I need you to understand why we are defending ourselves. [08:33] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Something I would think you would understand. 01[08:34] <Partisan> piled on your ally fark? 01[08:34] <Partisan> Fark ran into Mensa with an oA - something you have given me shit for doing with Rose 01[08:34] <Partisan> Fark was then countered by 1 Mensa ally- SK 01[08:34] <Partisan> you call that a pile? 01[08:34] <Partisan> That's spin and bs, and you know it steve. [08:34] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> No, I gave you shit for defending Rose with MDPs when Rose the was aggressor. [08:34] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> *Mensa was [08:34] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Mensa was the aggressor. [08:34] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> lol 01[08:34] <Partisan> <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> No, I gave you shit for defending Rose with MDPs when Rose the was aggressor. 01[08:35] <Partisan> I told you before that this is exactly our view 01[08:35] <Partisan> and why we defend Rose. Factually, our treaty triggered [08:35] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> That was a typo. [08:35] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And you know it. 01[08:35] <Partisan> simple as that 01[08:35] <Partisan> now you can make an argument that Rose had the right to declare on Mensa [08:35] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> No, I gave you shit for defending Rose with MDPs when Mensa the was aggressor. 01[08:35] <Partisan> because of paperless friendships 01[08:35] <Partisan> But that does *not* take away my obligation to my ally 01[08:35] <Partisan> if I were to not defend Mensa, anyone would be able to declare on them and claim 'lol paperless' 01[08:35] <Partisan> It's an idiotic notion. 01[08:36] <Partisan> It's the exact same reason why you declared on Roz and not on t$ 01[08:36] <Partisan> or Guardian 01[08:36] <Partisan> As for SK: Did they launch a single war against you 01[08:36] <Partisan> tell me that [08:43] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I understand your obligation to your ally and that's why I didn't just outright declare on those hitting Fark/Rose. [08:43] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Even if I disagree. [08:43] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> But, we will always defend threats to Alpha. [08:43] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And if we are all "their side" to SK. [08:43] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Then they see no difference. [08:43] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> And we will respond accordingly. 01[08:44] <Partisan> SK was not a threat to alpha. We !@#$ shielded you from hits steve 01[08:44] <Partisan> Despite our differences, we !@#$ shielded you from counters. 01[08:44] <Partisan> And you took advantage of it by striking SK. [08:45] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I have no way to know that, I'm sorry. [08:45] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> But, the truth is you didn't. [08:45] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> Because they still declared war on our side. [08:46] <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> If you are going to view this as a coalition vs. coalition, then we have to respond accordingly. 01[08:46] <Partisan> The truth is, we did 01[08:46] <Partisan> because you are making a point out of SK's wording when you damn well know that it's utter crap 01[08:46] <Partisan> If Sk declared on you, you would have !@#$ known it. 01[08:46] <Partisan> Via your dec screen. 01[08:47] <Partisan> But sure, I understand that t$ shielding you from counters does not fit in your rationale of us being inherently in the wrong. 01[08:47] <Partisan> Good luck with your war steve. We'll talk again when i'm cooled down. The above log is the first confrontation between Steve and myself over his hit on SK, and explains the same rationales being brought to light. Ill-founded diplomacy on our forums and some choice logs between other syndicate government officials and Steve/James ultimately soured the relation even further. Though we knew the treaty would be cancelled and though we felt hugely betrayed, we decided to honor our treaty and refrain from cancelling until our post-war review. Instead, we went on a solo endeavor against UPN. The importance of knowing this background lies in the progression of events: Following our cancellation, Steve immediately went to work on consolidating his new sphere. Right after the war we received the following log. The log concerns a conversation with Abbas (ex-Rose FA, notable head. Involved in every Rose campaign against t$ to date) about Rose's future, and t$' future demise: abbasmehdi [11:02 PM] Our top tier and upper mid tier intact [11:02] Next war we aren't joining abbasmehdi [11:02 PM] But don't tell anyone that abbasmehdi [11:03 PM] Cause the moment you do [11:03] People end up rolling you abbasmehdi [11:03 PM] NPO is taking the charge abbasmehdi [11:03 PM] Also last war if rose didn't go first wave we wouldn't have made or moralistic point [11:04] Our* abbasmehdi [11:04 PM] And convinced all our allies that we are loyal mofos abbasmehdi [11:04 PM] We pulled in alpha abbasmehdi [11:04 PM] We are about to pull in pantheon abbasmehdi [11:04 PM] And Sparta treatied alpha to be close to rose abbasmehdi [11:04 PM] It's pretty solid abbasmehdi [11:05 PM] OO is moving away from ts cause of mensa abbasmehdi [11:05 PM] No abbasmehdi [11:05 PM] Boc might join oo abbasmehdi [11:05 PM] Then we treaty upn abbasmehdi [11:05 PM] But only after boc joins oo [11:05] Nuklear Knights is going paperless abbasmehdi [11:06 PM] 2 months later we treaty them abbasmehdi [11:06 PM] So far so good for the cost of 800k steel abbasmehdi [11:07 PM] Nah [11:08] NPO is legit alongside our sphere [11:08] We are tied to our hips abbasmehdi [11:08 PM] I am not so sure [11:08] But I think pre is gonna hijack ts sphere abbasmehdi [11:08 PM] After ts gets rolled abbasmehdi [11:08 PM] He is consolidating test and guardian right now [11:08] So it could be him abbasmehdi [11:09 PM] They aren't as far as I know right now abbasmehdi [11:13 PM] I don't think they will yet [11:13] Maybe after boc joins [11:13] Ts might go paperless before that happens though [11:13] and if they go paperless they're !@#$ed abbasmehdi [11:13 PM] Yeah abbasmehdi [11:15 PM] Doesn't change anything in respect to npo wanting to roll mensa abbasmehdi [11:15 PM] Tkr is tied to npo abbasmehdi [11:15 PM] Yeah and tkr stays out abbasmehdi [11:15 PM] Syndicate can't drop sk and guardian too abbasmehdi [11:16 PM] Who are you talking with? abbasmehdi [11:18 PM] Ts may pull a paperless before they think of dropping mensa [11:18] Cause they got 2 other allies abbasmehdi [11:18 PM] That are tied abbasmehdi [11:21 PM] Thank God Carter is there for that abbasmehdi [11:21 PM] I know what you mean, I am keeping a close eye on it abbasmehdi [11:21 PM] We got alpha abbasmehdi [11:22 PM] We pack our bags abbasmehdi [11:22 PM] If they throw Carter and start treaty rose like shit [11:22] We pack our bags [11:22] Treating* abbasmehdi [11:23 PM] Not really [11:24] They got a grudge against alpha abbasmehdi [11:24 PM] And they are using Sparta to plan to !@#$ them over [11:24] Yeah a little talking abbasmehdi [11:25 PM] Even after proxy war I was looking at keeping ts safe [11:25] I have lost absolute faith in them [11:25] And I assume every move they do is to !@#$ someone over now abbasmehdi [11:25 PM] Npo will charge on someone abbasmehdi [11:26 PM] That's the only way we will find out how well they will treat us abbasmehdi [11:26 PM] Npo needs our allies abbasmehdi [11:26 PM] Well they might take ve abbasmehdi [11:26 PM] But not alpha abbasmehdi [11:27 PM] Alpha is so close I share more opsec with them then I share with pub [11:27] No there's no plan for that abbasmehdi [11:27 PM] Alpha knows our situation [11:27] They are keeping an eye on it abbasmehdi [11:27 PM] We are !@#$ ed if that happens abbasmehdi [11:28 PM] I am not making self fulfilling prophecies [11:28] We will see how npo is doing [11:28] If things get hit abbasmehdi [11:28 PM] Hot [11:28] We tell people [11:28] Otherwise we keep our mouth shut and observe abbasmehdi [11:29 PM] But as of right now I can confirm for the next 2 wars [11:29] Npo isn't gonna make a move on rose abbasmehdi [11:30 PM] Yeah we need to be massive abbasmehdi [11:30 PM] Dominate top tiers and got a seriously bad ass mid tier [11:31] With warchest in every nation abbasmehdi [11:32 PM] That kool-aid is too strong [11:33] We just need to show them they need to work hard [11:33] And they then need to taste victory a bit abbasmehdi [11:33 PM] That's the tough part [11:34] How do you mobilize an entire alliance without drama abbasmehdi [11:35 PM] The fa updates are for pw [11:35] And it will be done after the things are done [11:35] Discussing rose fa is a huge can of worms man abbasmehdi [11:36 PM] Also our aa is not filled with (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) veterans abbasmehdi [11:36 PM] Most of them don't care about politics abbasmehdi [11:36 PM] Yeah that sounds good [11:36] Direction thread [11:36] and just have the core abbasmehdi [11:36 PM] We had it before abbasmehdi [11:36 PM] We need to revive it abbasmehdi [11:37 PM] We used to have better forums when phrogg was still around abbasmehdi [11:38 PM] Wait when? The name and comments of the person abbas speaks to have been edited out for obvious purposes. Edited April 21, 2016 by Partisan 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prefonteen Posted April 21, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) With the abbas log imprinted in the back of our minds, we moved onwards more wary of our surroundings. As time passed, a variety of information, intel, rumors and logs trickled in. We have made a small selection to provide an illustration of Alpha's movements. 1. Alpha consistently pushed allegations of The Syndicate having paid Arrgh to strike alliances like NPO, Rose and VE in the post-war period. This claim is blatantly false. 12:17:19 AM <James[NG-Alpha]> Narrowing down the origin of the rumors. 12:17:25 AM <James[NG-Alpha]> Found logs 12:17:41 AM <James[NG-Alpha]> with partisan, manthrax, and tim. 12:17:44 AM <James[NG-Alpha]> before the war 12:18:06 AM <James[NG-Alpha]> and then narrowed it down to Mensa or tS for the people paid to raid our sphere 12:18:11 AM <James[NG-Alpha]> Thanks to Ogaden 12:19:08 AM <James[NG-Alpha]> Just logs. 12:19:28 AM <James[NG-Alpha]> I'm gonna push my other contacts 12:19:39 AM <James[NG-Alpha]> because they initially denied it. 12:19:47 AM <James[NG-Alpha]> but with Ogaden and Jacob both saying it 12:20:18 AM <James[NG-Alpha]> It'll be enough to piss off SK and TKR 12:20:23 AM <James[NG-Alpha]> But we're going to let Frawley handle it. 12:20:31 AM <James[NG-Alpha]> So let it be him who breaks it to people :x Logs with Ogaden confirming non-involvement: 01[23:45] <Partisan> Ogaden 11[23:49] <Ogaden> sup partisan 01[23:56] <Partisan> soo 01[23:57] <Partisan> ive been told you told Alpha we paid you to hit people [23:59] <Ogaden> eh what [23:59] <Ogaden> I told them I wouldn't say who paid us Session Time: Wed Apr 06 00:00:00 2016 [00:00] <Ogaden> or even how much we were paid 01[00:01] <Partisan> hmm 01[00:01] <Partisan> then they're bluffing 01[00:01] <Partisan> they're saying you did 01[00:02] <Partisan> or rather 01[00:02] <Partisan> telling their allies and all that 01[00:02] <Partisan> to rally against us [00:02] <Ogaden> yeah I figured they were working some kind of angle [00:02] <Ogaden> dangled all sorts of shit in front of me [00:03] <Ogaden> they were particularly interested in NPO 01[00:04] <Partisan> yeah [00:05] <Ogaden> I did confirm that NPO was a paid hit, but I never disclosed from whom [00:05] <Ogaden> tbh I can't quite remember who paid us that time anyways 01[00:07] <Partisan> we never paid for it tbh [00:08] <Ogaden> you didn't Session Close: Wed Apr 06 00:47:46 2016 The logs depict James pushing The Syndicate/Mensa as the drivers behind the hit. A desire is also shown for pissing off TKR and SK by having NPO break the 'news' to them. We perceive this as a clear intent to isolate The Syndicate by causing friction with its allies. 2. Simultaneously, Alpha communications with Syndicate allies focused on portraying the Syndicate as a deceptive and manipulative ally. Outrageous claims were made concerning The Syndicate's conduct towards its allies without any proof or insight in matters. The main lines of the pushed narrative are highlighted in the following logs: Session Start: Thu Apr 07 20:23:56 2016 Session Ident: Memph 01[20:23] <Partisan> Moving to more private 01[20:24] <Partisan> I'd be very interested in seeing what Steve said, to get an idea of what narrative he pushes to our allies 01[20:24] <Partisan> Unless you'd rather not- that's fine too [20:24] <Memph> nah it's fine 01[20:24] <Partisan> <3 01[20:24] <Partisan> Appreciate it alot man [20:25] <Memph> but preferably don't tell him [20:26] <Memph> Yea, I guess this is old news, but we told tS many times that we supported Rose in defending Vanguard against Mensa aggression. We were a small alliance once, and got raided by Mensa, etc - so I know how it feels. Not fun. [20:26] <Memph> tS was well aware of all of this and well aware that if they dogpiled Rose we'd not take too kindly of that. So that's what ended up happening and I think they were basically just trying to make us look bad. That seems to be the trend going forward, even when we were allied. Not exactly very trustworthy. 11[20:26] <Memph> The one thing I always told Partisan, many many times, is that I consider log-dumping our private convos to be a 100% violation of trust. And that's exactly what he's doing now. Cherry picked snips that aren't truthful. Prefontaine is doing the same, but I'm not surprised by Prefontaine. I had a feeling when Partisan would querry me he was trying to get a log [20:26] <Memph> on me. But I didn't want to believe an ally would be so utterly awful that way. [20:26] <Memph> Oh well, lesson learned. I don't think anyone is surprised that we wouldn't just give the ALL OK, ROLL OUR ALLY, TS! And I feel like if anyone was betrayed, it's been Alpha. 01[20:26] <Partisan> Uhhh... I haven't log dumped yet [20:26] <Memph> I want to add too, so I thought Guardian-Alpha would've allied after the TC-tS war. I was told you were going paperless. So was a Mensa block the reason we never signed anything? [20:27] <Memph> I'm just curious, as now I'm sure it's dead. But you guys know our ties to you and this war we even said we aren't going to attack you b/c of those deep roots. Not that I think there was any reason to do so this war, but I still have very fond memories of doing targeting with you Memph. [20:27] <Memph> end of one post 06[20:27] * Partisan nods [20:28] <Memph> after that, I tell Steve that I have strong doubts that Rose hit Mensa because they cared so much about Vanguard, they just saw an opportunity to go after Mensa [20:29] <Memph> and that Mensa had nothing to do with us not signing with Alpha, we just don't like having too many treaties and saw each other as indirectly allied through t$ anyways [20:30] <Memph> and then some stuff about how Rose defends Vanguard from Mensa but fails to defend a bunch of alliances they actually have treaties to from Arrgh before and after 01[20:30] <Partisan> mhmm [20:31] <Memph> and we talk some about how Rose only started to militarize several days after Vanguard was hit [20:31] <Memph> then [20:31] <Memph> James II: According to SK, Rose was planning on entering with you guys to hit arrgh. Which would explain their militarization. It wasn't until Mensa hit Vanguard and did a piss poor diplo job (thanks to Pfeiffer) that Rose decided they would hit Mensa. That is an interesting picture you paint, but according to people on your own side, they were in on arrgh wi [20:31] <Memph> James II: th you guys. You don't know the going ons regarding arrgh, just like we don't know the entire store about tS letting TKP get bum raped by argh right after TKP burned two wars in a row for tS. Arrgh will be handled one way or the other, whether it is resolved peacefully or through war. We're on good terms with Jacob, so hopefully we can pursuade him [20:32] <Memph> James II: to stop his non-sense raiding without him demanding money. Steve, still considers Guardian friends. Even you would have a hard time convincing ex-guardian to hit Guardian. [20:32] <Memph> Steve: Can you respond to that Memph? What tS didn't do for TKP is downright shameful, lol. 01[20:32] <Partisan> uhh what 01[20:32] <Partisan> that's interesting [20:32] <Memph> Steve: But then again, we misjudged tS as well, considering them friends when all they considered us as......just their meatshields. As the war broke out and as I was in constant communication with tS, I realized this. Given how horribly they've treated Sparta, it's proven me right. I'm sure you can talk to Sparta about that though. [20:32] <Memph> Steve: Something they may or may not do with Guardian in the future. Seems you guys have taken quite a few hard wars on account of tS/Mensa shens. 01[20:32] <Partisan> We probably helped TKP more than any other protectorate [20:32] <Memph> James II: APerture is getting mass raided now as well. [20:34] <Memph> then I tell them that maybe Rose did militarize a bit, but then that paused when they were told to stay out and restarted again with full-steam militarization only several days later when they noticed t$ militarizing (over the TLF shit) 11[20:35] <Memph> James II: Rose could have done far worse to tS if that was their objective. The argument is baseless and quite bland. Even Partisan on a number of occasions acknowledged that it had nothing to do with tS. Literally, no one gives a shit about tS. Nobody cares. [20:35] <Memph> James II: They are a speck of dust in the depths of consciousness. They turned down a NAP with Rose. tS wanting to go after Rose has more sustenance than Rose going after tS. 01[20:36] <Partisan> spin spin spin [20:36] <Memph> Me: My argument was that Rose was militarizing in response to either the possibility of TLF getting hit for holding Arrgh's money or in response to t$ militarizing, rather than because they were planning to defend Vanguard from the beginning. I didn't mean to imply Rose initially meant to go offensive against t$. However, once Rose did militarize, I suspect t [20:36] <Memph> Me: hey ran the numbers and like the odds and decided it was a good opportunity to start a war. [20:36] <Memph> James II: Rose went in with the intention of sending a message to Mensa, not to go after Syndisphere like you, and others have accused them of. Their militarization was within reason. If they wanted to do damage to the sphere they knowingly could have gone about it better. They didn't because it was not their intention. 01[20:37] <Partisan> so they deliberately lost xfd? [20:37] <Memph> and that was the end of it because he can't read what I'm saying Our last snippet concerns a group channel which involves a variety of alliances and which was utilized by Alpha to push anti-Syndicate sentiment: 8:59:50 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> https://politicsandw...bands/?p=228175 8:59:53 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Does this guy hear himself? 9:02:16 PM <TheNG> Well, I guess you can ham it up a little when you get free members 9:03:15 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> I want to put Congratulations to UPN and DEIC for finally brin justice to this tragedy that others failed to prevent. 9:03:41 PM <•Victor> What happened? 9:03:42 PM <•Emmad> What's that 9:04:10 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> tS getting free members from TKP 9:04:20 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> ironically Partisan says that TKP was the most promising protectrate. 9:04:33 PM <TheNG> Well, they couldn't find worth a damn 9:04:37 PM <TheNG> *fight 9:04:38 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> But mayhaps tS actually defended TKP it wouldn't have happened. 9:05:02 PM <•Victor> Not being able to defend a protectorate during a full scale world war happens. 9:05:49 PM <TheNG> Well, they had the bad luck of being thrown at us before the rest of the game piled on, so they were all alone against DEIC. 9:06:31 PM <TheNG> Not that it mattered though, their "blitz" was like 5 wars, and most of the alliance was countered before they logged on and found out they were at war 9:06:43 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> I'm talking about arrgh 9:06:49 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> raiding the shit out of TKP 9:06:52 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> and tS doing nothing 9:07:03 PM <TheNG> lol that too I guess 9:07:19 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Point is Partisan is a suck up, and failed to protect TKP twice. 9:07:26 PM <TheNG> I guess they never learned their lesson 9:07:27 PM — •Victor shrugs 9:07:36 PM <•Victor> Shit happens, dude. Especially with Protectorates 9:07:39 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> If TKP had any merit, I'd say tS doesn't deserve them. 9:07:47 PM <•Victor> Micros are dicey 9:07:54 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Our micros have been succesful 9:07:56 PM <•Victor> It is hard to find a decent candidate. 9:08:04 PM <TheNG> ^ 9:08:06 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> NPO, and NAC I'd say are very succesful 9:08:11 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Polaris is promising as fudge 9:08:15 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> ToG 9:08:16 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Promising 9:08:21 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> They have actual merit 9:08:21 PM <TheNG> I wouldn't classify NPO as your classic protectorate 9:08:24 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> They've done things in the past. 9:08:25 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Ha 9:08:28 PM <•Victor> NPO is inherently successful because of previous experience elsewhere. 9:08:33 PM <•Victor> Polaris is just the same 9:08:39 PM <TheNG> Indeed, not like your standard micro 9:08:42 PM <•Victor> ^ 9:08:49 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> GeorgeClooney 9:08:53 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> they are saying you're a typical micro :x 9:08:56 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> jk jk jk 9:09:23 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Just proves my point. We know when to fold, match, and raise. 9:10:32 PM <GeorgeClooney> yep 9:11:00 PM <GeorgeClooney> I also prefer "typical micro with really long fangs" XD 9:11:01 PM <•Victor> I guess, but it is certainly harder to build on an alliance that starts with 10 or less people. 9:11:14 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Well 9:11:16 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> GeorgeClooney 9:11:18 PM <•Victor> Who have little to no experience 9:11:23 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> is the guy who says "I'm all in" every hand. 9:11:23 PM <TheNG> Indeed 9:11:23 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> 9:11:39 PM <•Victor> Indeed 9:11:45 PM <Seeker> i'm assuming the transition has already happened, they are just now making it official now? 9:11:56 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Yeah 9:11:58 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> happened a while ago. 9:12:07 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Prat of the reason tS jumped in strength 9:12:08 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> part* 9:12:12 PM <Seeker> i thought so, tS had quite a jump. 9:12:12 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> The yare also mass recruiting 9:12:25 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> and they've militarized a bit per capita 9:12:28 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> by about 20% 9:12:41 PM <Seeker> that seems to go against how they run from what i've heard at least. 9:12:50 PM <Seeker> wonder what changed. 9:12:56 PM <•Victor> Well, VE instituted a military minimum, yes? 9:13:03 PM <•Victor> Just part of the game mechanics now 9:13:05 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> They wanted to build up a lower tier to counter NPO 9:13:10 PM <Seeker> referring to mass recruiting. 9:13:17 PM <•Victor> Mass recruiting? 9:13:18 PM <•Victor> Ah 9:13:28 PM <Seeker> that's what james just said lol. 9:13:42 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> The irony of building up a lower tier, while trying desperately (and too a pathetic degree) to ally the very person you're building the lower tier to fight. 9:13:48 PM <•Victor> I'd say it would be reasonable. You are their political opposite right now. 9:14:01 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> That's their fault not ours. 9:14:09 PM <•Victor> Apparently 9:14:09 PM <TheNG> James, what do you mean by that last statement? 9:14:16 PM <TheNG> Er, second to last not 9:14:18 PM <TheNG> *now 9:14:20 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> They're the ones placing us here. They needed a scape goat. Partisan said he would take advantage of PR to advance their Post war standing. 9:14:52 PM <Seeker> PR? 9:15:04 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Partisan told people first, Alpha was planning to hit tS immentently, then it changed to NPO hitting Mensa, then it changed to Alpha hitting Mensa. 9:15:16 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Public relations. 9:15:45 PM <Seeker> and why is this occurring? 9:15:48 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Neither of those claims makes sense. But they know if they go after Alpha they'll have to deal with NPO since they aren't getting the treaty. 9:15:56 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Partisan needed a scapegoat. 9:16:15 PM <TheNG> tS wanted to treaty NPO? 9:16:20 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Oh yeah. 9:16:22 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> They tried really hard 9:16:29 PM <Seeker> for the failed treaty with NPO? 9:16:40 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> No for the last war. 9:16:56 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> They lost politically. They need a political scapegoat. Alpha was convenient. 9:17:09 PM <Seeker> well yeah lol. 9:17:30 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Alpha is that scapegoat. Rose proved tS wrong so they can't use Rose as the scapegoat. 9:17:36 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Pub played things very well politically. 9:17:36 PM <Seeker> so he's starting rumors? 9:17:52 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> It would seem so. All the origins seems to start with him. 9:17:59 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> When you ask down the telephone line it always ends up at Partisan. 9:18:02 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> "Partisan told me" 9:18:06 PM <Seeker> interesting. 9:18:36 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> So, the best thing to do is ignore it and let people see how full of shit he is. 9:18:44 PM <Seeker> that's what i was thinking. 9:18:55 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> I thin kthe Mensa rumor didi t. 9:18:59 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> We hae no reason to hit Mensa 9:19:09 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> and what are we going to do? Blitz all five of their nations in range? 9:19:15 PM <Seeker> LOL 9:19:18 PM <Seeker> seriously. 9:19:29 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> So that's when other people started rolling their eyes. 9:19:40 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> and the queries about us starting something has basically stopped. 9:20:47 PM <Seeker> what were NPOs reasons behind not wanting to treaty tS? 9:21:20 PM <TheNG> Practically everyone hit them up for a treaty. Had to say no sometime 9:22:59 PM <Seeker> i was just wondering if it didn't align with their goals. 9:24:00 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> Mostly because Mensa told them if they didn't ally Mensa or one of their allies Mensa would roll NPO. 9:24:28 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> That's the kind of behaviour tS promotes. They didn't do anything about it when Mensa told us that. 9:24:53 PM <Seeker> eh, seems like a bluff. 9:24:55 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> So NPO is a matter of conveninience to tS, not an actual friend. 9:24:58 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> At least that's my opinion. 9:25:08 PM <Seeker> i would agree. 9:25:20 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> NPO is smart. THey know when someone is using them. 9:25:26 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> and they don't get used. 9:26:21 PM <Seeker> is that why they seem to have a bigger mil now because of mensa threat? 9:27:26 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> No. I think they are adopting our philosophy. 9:27:43 PM <•Victor> brb 9:27:44 PM <Seeker> what would that be? 9:28:13 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> We used to be 3-4 days out of full mobilization. But now we want to be 1-2 days out or 1 day out if you consider pre and post update one day 9:28:20 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> It's the best way to defend our allies. 9:28:38 PM <Seeker> interesting. 9:28:42 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> We did away with it when it took is a few extra days to enter oktoberfest 9:28:50 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> so we did it this war and were ready to enter whenever we wanted 9:29:05 PM <TheNG> Well, I kind of liked those extra days of peace 9:29:16 PM <TheNG> Kept my nation standing longer XD 9:30:56 PM <Seeker> anyone know what alliances are in here? 9:31:25 PM <Seeker> upn, polaris, deic, ve, rose, nac, alpha and? 9:32:38 PM <James[NG-Alpha]> ToG The above log again pushes a variety of false narratives about The Syndicate in an attempt to discredit us. It furthermore attempts to spin the alpha-t$ conversation into t$ falsely persecuting and scapegoating Alpha. With all the above in mind, we received the following final snippet, roughly a month ago: 8:55:23 PM <Steve_Buscemi[NG]> I think we are still 30-days off from rolling Mensa. We have been watching Steve's movements from afar: His attempts at discrediting and slandering the Syndicate, his backroom movements and his deliberate isolation of our alliance. He has openly stated a willingness to hit our ally. He has betrayed us in the past, and has time and time again proven that he is an enemy of our organization. We have had no choice but to conclude that Alpha, due to its extensive campaign against us, is a threat to The Syndicate. When faced with a threat, one must either guard against it, or move to meet it. Diplomatic solutions were not on the table, as Steve had proven in the past to have no issue breaking is word even to trusted allies if it so suited him. His strong sense of morality bends to the weight of political expedience. It is with this in mind that confronted with present tensions in the world, in light of an Alpha rush for treaties (having offered treaties to any party that would listen in hopes of padding his portfolio of meatshields), faced by a continuous barrage of lies and slander, and pressured by the prospect of impending war the moment Alpha's plots gain enough traction on other allies, or the moment Alpha manufactures enough dirt upon us, that The Syndicate opted to begin inquiries with allies on the prospect of a pre-emptive strike. Unfortunately, one such conversation leaked from private chambers. Steve immediately attempted to take advantage, spreading the log all across Orbis while pushing for our destruction, bringing us to the situation where we are today. As Alpha dragged this matter out into the public, we have provided you with our reasoning. You are free to believe what you wish, and my inbox and query will be open for questions and concerns. As I am certain that what logs we have received are but the tip of the iceberg where Steve's infractions are concerned, I am more than content with letting the world be our judge. - Partisan, Chief Strategic Officer of The Syndicate Edited April 21, 2016 by Partisan 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blande Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 First! Holy $@#$! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroshima Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 tl;dr 4 Quote “I'm cheap and enjoy butchering” - Manthrax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eumirbago Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 tl;dr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beowulf the Second Posted April 21, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2016 k so i was starting to be like 'wtf partisan where is your effortpost we've been waiting' but now i don't want to read the whole thing 14 Quote 01:58:39 <BeowulftheSecond> Belisarius of The Byzantine Empire has sent your nation $0.00, 0.00 food, 0.00 coal, 0.00 oil, 0.00 uranium, 0.00 lead, 0.00 iron, 0.00 bauxite, 0.00 gasoline, 0.00 munitions, 1,000.00 steel, and 0.00 aluminum from the alliance bank of Rose.01:58:46 <BeowulftheSecond> someone please explain 01:59:12 <%Belisarius> sleep deprivatin is a !@#$ @_@01:59:14 — %Belisarius shrugs01:59:18 <BeowulftheSecond> we're at WAR. WE ARE BURNING EACH OTHER'S PIXELS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 I can retire peacefully now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosodog Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Well... !@#$. Quote [22:37:51] <&Yosodog> Problem is, everyone is too busy deciding which top gun character they are that no decision has been made BK in a nutshell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Quill Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 lol Quote <&Partisan> EAT THE SHIT <blacklabel> lol @ ever caring about how much you matter in some dumbass nation simulation browser game. what a !@#$in pathetic waste of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurdanak Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 tl;drI think it's that abbas is to blame for everything. I mean, I saw his name so that's normally a given. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinum Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) Hey Partisan. Want me to do an audio version? Edited April 21, 2016 by Divinum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 This is like an Aesop's Fable where the lesson learned at the end is "talk shit, get hit". Bravo, Partisan, for not taking shit from people who are trying to push you around. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroshima Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 #NukeAbbas2016 Quote “I'm cheap and enjoy butchering” - Manthrax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmad Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) WAY too long! Chugga chugga choo choo!! o/ Roy ** would find a video of a train wreck but that would just be too cliche Edited April 21, 2016 by Emmad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiri Arch Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Alpha time after time proves to be the shittiest alliance there is. 2 Quote Officer Nasty reporting for duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beatrix Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I read it all. Very interesting perspective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorniar Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Good read Partisan. Quality stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Hippo Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 tl;dr, can someone summarize pls. Quote ^oo^ (..) () () ()__() Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diocletian Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 A whole lot of Bill 'O Reilly type spinning. Good show, Partisan. Quote "The happiness of the people, and the peace of the empire, and the glory of the reign are linked with the fortune of the Army." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I get the idea that before a speech, you're supposed to break the ice with a joke. It was a bit of a shaggy dog story but I think I got it at the end. Where's the real stuff? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boony Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) Tldr Abbas talked about our eventual downfall, Steve lied to our allies saying arghh told them we paid them but then arghh confirmed they did not say that. Then more logs of Steve trying to discredit us through lies. Oh, and Steve !@#$ing about tS even though he claims he doesn't care about us. Cute. Oh, and Steve has a massive fear boner in regards to Mensa. Edited April 21, 2016 by Boony 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dalinar Posted April 21, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2016 I can retire peacefully now. Denied, sorry 9 Quote I will take responsibility for what I have done, if I must fall, I will rise each time a better man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNG Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I was about to *lol didn't read* the massive wall of text, then I realized I'm in it. Luckily whoever sent those logs to Partisan cut it off before I started discussing DEIC's secret plan to roll tS. Phew, crisis averted everybody! 5 Quote "They say the secret to success is being at the right place at the right time. But since you never know when the right time is going to be, I figure the trick is to find the right place and just hang around!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Kastor> He left and my !@#$ nation is !@#$ed up. And the Finance guy refuses to help. He just writes his !@#$ plays. <Kastor> And laughs and shit. <Kastor> And gives out !@#$ huge loans to Arthur James, that !@#$ bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn666 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 DoW on tS for making me read this 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 I was about to *lol didn't read* the massive wall of text, then I realized I'm in it. Luckily whoever sent those logs to Partisan cut it off before I started discussing DEIC's secret plan to roll tS. Phew, crisis averted everybody! Can this be in your next play? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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