Nationalist Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Would you say so? A pig can think and feel up to a high level, quite like a child, but yet if somebody kills a pig. It is seen as ok, when a child is killed, it's pure evil. Should animal rights be expanded and meat eating and animal testing banned? If the left want to claim that it's wrong to bomb people, why don't they feel the same on animals being murdered? Edited April 20, 2016 by Nationalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrezj Kolarov Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 No, they aren't sentient, so they aren't equal to humans. But they can still feel pain so conditions should be improved, and when killed done so in a painless way. 4 Quote People's Republic of Velika: National Information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Animals are not sentient? 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabcat Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Animals are not sentient? He means they aren't class conscious 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrezj Kolarov Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Animals are not sentient? Perhaps not the right word, self-awareness? As in, aware of our own existence instead of simply acting on instinct. He means they aren't class conscious Why are you so butthurt over a spelling error I made weeks ago? Edited April 20, 2016 by Andrezj Kolarov Quote People's Republic of Velika: National Information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covenant Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I believe there should be ethical living and killing conditions for an animal based on health and unnecessary cruelty reasons, but given rights is kind of a silly and slippery slope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 abortion is murder of children and that's what a lot of people want to be able to freely do, no questions asked 1 Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrezj Kolarov Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 abortion is murder of children I agree. 3 Quote People's Republic of Velika: National Information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 I agree. What is difference between babies and animals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covenant Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Babies are human, and have the potential to become a person who contributes to society. While animals are animals and have the potential to eat, poop, and make more animals We also don't eat babies.. Edited April 20, 2016 by Covenant 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormrideron Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 No... The animals shouldn't be given the equal rights as human beings. Pigs aren't human beings nor do they have the capability to rule. They are food and we need food to feed the population. The only exception for the animals in regard to the equal rights is that if some of us consider to adopt them and treat them as pet. Wild and domestic animals should have absolutely no rights, but pets should have equal rights since the are living with us. 1 Quote Commander-in-Chief of Svalbard Island Badassery Rating: 100% / Popularity Rating: 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Babies are human, and have the potential to become a person who contributes to society. While animals are animals and have the potential to eat, poop, and make more animals We also don't eat babies.. Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 Babies are human, and have the potential to become a person who contributes to society. While animals are animals and have the potential to eat, poop, and make more animals We also don't eat babies.. What would be the issue with eating babies that have died from natural courses? Assume that a woman either aborts or miscarriages, the remains of the baby could be taken to specialists who can cook up what is left of the baby and serve it to people. A human baby has a lot of meat on it that can be eaten after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 What would be the issue with eating babies that have died from natural courses? Assuming you value your humanity, everything. Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 This seems like my Bestiality thread but in the other direction. Both have the same basic principle which is why the half measures? Why the illogical nonsense? In fact I'm interested in which people would prefer. A world where "animal rights" are rendered worthless, or one where there rights are equal and you'll get jailed for killing an animal... I wonder. What would be the issue with eating babies that have died from natural courses? Assume that a woman either aborts or miscarriages, the remains of the baby could be taken to specialists who can cook up what is left of the baby and serve it to people. A human baby has a lot of meat on it that can be eaten after all. You can always start a cannibalism thread mate. Give a month or two and maybe I will, or perhaps not. The level of discussion really wouldn't go beyond it's "sick". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 This seems like my Bestiality thread but in the other direction. Both have the same basic principle which is why the half measures? Why the illogical nonsense? In fact I'm interested in which people would prefer. A world where "animal rights" are rendered worthless, or one where there rights are equal and you'll get jailed for killing an animal... I wonder. You can always start a cannibalism thread mate. Give a month or two and maybe I will, or perhaps not. The level of discussion really wouldn't go beyond it's "sick". neither, and i dare you Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 neither, and i dare you Don't test me. I'll pass every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabcat Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Why are you so butthurt over a spelling error I made weeks ago? I didn't even know you'd made a spelling error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Aminu Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 He means they aren't class consciousThat made me chuckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 This seems like my Bestiality thread but in the other direction. Both have the same basic principle which is why the half measures? Why the illogical nonsense? In fact I'm interested in which people would prefer. A world where "animal rights" are rendered worthless, or one where there rights are equal and you'll get jailed for killing an animal... I wonder. You can always start a cannibalism thread mate. Give a month or two and maybe I will, or perhaps not. The level of discussion really wouldn't go beyond it's "sick". What is your opinion on erotic cannibalism? A fair share of people enjoy the act of eating a body for their own pleasure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Would you say so? A pig can think and feel up to a high level, quite like a child, but yet if somebody kills a pig. It is seen as ok, when a child is killed, it's pure evil. Should animal rights be expanded and meat eating and animal testing banned? If the left want to claim that it's wrong to bomb people, why don't they feel the same on animals being murdered? Would you say the same thing about plants being murdered? I imagine you wouldn't. Life consumes life. That's nature. Animals should be afforded rights to a reasonable extent. That doesn't mean we should ban meat or animal testing. But of course, the Nazis did like animals and preferred human testing.... No, they aren't sentient, so they aren't equal to humans. But they can still feel pain so conditions should be improved, and when killed done so in a painless way. Animals are sentient.... Perhaps not the right word, self-awareness? As in, aware of our own existence instead of simply acting on instinct. Why are you so butthurt over a spelling error I made weeks ago? Animals are self aware. lol. Keep trying.... Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 What is your opinion on erotic cannibalism? A fair share of people enjoy the act of eating a body for their own pleasure. Searching that doesn't turn up anything, though I am aware like with most things some people are attracted to visuals of such things (gore and such), I don't think that quite translates to "erotic cannibalism" the physical act. Cannibalism is something that certainly can be argued. A dead body is a dead body after all and if someone put down they wanted to be dead meat then there isn't any harm in that as long as proper procedures were to be followed in regards to safety, paperwork, and such. I'd say if legal to have your dead body made into meat it'd likely be a very low amount that gets put in the meat grinder. Where it gets iffy is in two respects, well there is more but two wants that jump out at me. The first is that some people will inevitably eat some of the small supply of meat and some will gain a craving. A demand with little legal (and expensive) supply creates a black market and then you'd get criminals butchering people. Though organ harvesting is already a thing... ummm... The other is if we're talking about legalised Cannibalism than Euthanasia will certainly be legalised also. There have been cases of a person agreeing to be eaten by another, basically suicide. Would that be classed as Euthanasia? Logically it fits, but if so what problems does that bring? That is perhaps that cannibalism you talked about. The eater relishes in being eaten, the eater in the eating. It's something that would need to be checked out fully pretty much and could be deadly. With zoosexuals it has I've seen been argued like with Homosexuals that the attraction is something you're born with. With Cannibalism I'm not fully familiar. I know it's an uncommon "disorder" in animals and in humans it may well manifest itself in similar numbers but with most people not getting any situation where they need to do the deed, not to mention the fear of the law, it being reviled in general, and so on they never act on their instincts. Or maybe it doesn't manifest, I'm not familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Searching that doesn't turn up anything, though I am aware like with most things some people are attracted to visuals of such things (gore and such), I don't think that quite translates to "erotic cannibalism" the physical act. Cannibalism is something that certainly can be argued. A dead body is a dead body after all and if someone put down they wanted to be dead meat then there isn't any harm in that as long as proper procedures were to be followed in regards to safety, paperwork, and such. I'd say if legal to have your dead body made into meat it'd likely be a very low amount that gets put in the meat grinder. Where it gets iffy is in two respects, well there is more but two wants that jump out at me. The first is that some people will inevitably eat some of the small supply of meat and some will gain a craving. A demand with little legal (and expensive) supply creates a black market and then you'd get criminals butchering people. Though organ harvesting is already a thing... ummm... The other is if we're talking about legalised Cannibalism than Euthanasia will certainly be legalised also. There have been cases of a person agreeing to be eaten by another, basically suicide. Would that be classed as Euthanasia? Logically it fits, but if so what problems does that bring? That is perhaps that cannibalism you talked about. The eater relishes in being eaten, the eater in the eating. It's something that would need to be checked out fully pretty much and could be deadly. With zoosexuals it has I've seen been argued like with Homosexuals that the attraction is something you're born with. With Cannibalism I'm not fully familiar. I know it's an uncommon "disorder" in animals and in humans it may well manifest itself in similar numbers but with most people not getting any situation where they need to do the deed, not to mention the fear of the law, it being reviled in general, and so on they never act on their instincts. Or maybe it doesn't manifest, I'm not familiar. Cannibalism has serious health concerns. It's a ridiculous idea to legalize it. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avruch Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Should people with an IQ below 100 be allowed to post their "thoughts" in public? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Cannibalism has serious health concerns. It's a ridiculous idea to legalize it. Never said I wanted it, was merely giving some thoughts on it. Like I said I'm not all that familiar with it, but even then a lot of issues stand out. I'd be interested in hearing what these health concerns are though, always like picking up on new things. Should people with an IQ below 100 be allowed to post their "thoughts" in public? What is your problem exactly? Several times now you've made this form of attack. I was asked a question and I gave some thoughts on the matter and that was all. A sign of intelligence to you apparently is not speaking about something... because not discussing something means you're smarter? In what world exactly? This is a discussion forum, if discussion repulses you so much then simply ignore the post/thread/subforum. Edited April 20, 2016 by Rozalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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