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So your argument against communism is that it would result in economic decline because the capitalists are so unpatriotic and so uncaring of their fellow countrymen that they would rather flee their own Fatherland to a foreign state rather than having their property nationalized and used to build the nation and benefit the masses?

 

Firstly you're admitting that the capitalists are evil, and secondly you're ignoring the fact that mechanisms can be put in place that prevent capital flight, how exactly are the capitalists going to bring their moveable property (land, factories, buildings and private houses) out of the country? Even when it comes to electronic transfers of money, the banks once nationalized can prevent all money transfers out of the country. Private airports can be occupied by soldiers to prevent any money (in the form of banknotes and gold) leaving the country.

 

OP is probably talking about left-wing (but non-socialist) governments where taxes are high but private property still exists, like Chavez's Venezuela, so there's still means for the bourgeois to move their capital around in the economy.

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OP is probably talking about left-wing (but non-socialist) governments where taxes are high but private property still exists, like Chavez's Venezuela, so there's still means for the bourgeois to move their capital around in the economy.

 

Do you even read? He said Commissar Jamal force him to give away his property to the redneck and ghettos. There is no such thing is private property in his homeland.

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Are you saying that most of the American working class are ghetto-dwellers or rednecks? That's pretty offensive, especially when the "redneck" stereotype is non-urban rural people not working class.

 

Also Commissar Jamal, lol, nice subtle racism. Anti-white racism and anti-black racism in one go.

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"they aren't working class because they work outside in rural areas rather than in factories" - brilliant class analysis, professor stalinoid

 

gangsters and whatnot are actually considered lumpenproletariat according to marxists, because they do not participate in the formal economy and do not earn a wage

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I didn't even say that, I said that the stereotype of the redneck is rural not industrial workers, but it's a stereotype not a reality. Working class is anyone who works on property they don't own and sells their labor for a wage.

 

"Stalinoid" is nothing but sectarian BS, considering that Stalin built the most powerful socialist state in the world and the most well-organized working class of all time, he's a million times more a socialist than any of his opponents, including Trotsky who spent his time in the Imperialist States of America pumping anti-State propaganda into the USSR and sending terrorists to sabotage it's Siberian mines, even as the Nazi hordes were preparing to invade.

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Are you saying that most of the American working class are ghetto-dwellers or rednecks? That's pretty offensive, especially when the "redneck" stereotype is non-urban rural people not working class.

 

Also Commissar Jamal, lol, nice subtle racism. Anti-white racism and anti-black racism in one go.

 

>Implying the red neck and ghetto are not poor-like working class

Redneck and ghettto-dwellers are part of the working class and they are dirt poor more than you bourgeoisie hipster cuck, what do you even think they are? 

 

Also I don't visit halfchan and the post in the picture is not made by me.

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"Russian here...."

 

Yup, that whole post is a lie. 

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I didn't even say that, I said that the stereotype of the redneck is rural not industrial workers, but it's a stereotype not a reality. Working class is anyone who works on property they don't own and sells their labor for a wage.

 

"Stalinoid" is nothing but sectarian BS, considering that Stalin built the most powerful socialist state in the world and the most well-organized working class of all time, he's a million times more a socialist than any of his opponents, including Trotsky who spent his time in the Imperialist States of America pumping anti-State propaganda into the USSR and sending terrorists to sabotage it's Siberian mines, even as the Nazi hordes were preparing to invade.

 

Are you saying that most of the American working class are ghetto-dwellers or rednecks? That's pretty offensive, especially when the "redneck" stereotype is non-urban rural people not working class.

 

Also Commissar Jamal, lol, nice subtle racism. Anti-white racism and anti-black racism in one go.

 

1. I live in a rural area. I'm working class. You don't know what you're talking about mkay?....

2. Stalin wasn't even a communist. He was a psychopathic, racist, discriminating, egotistical tyrant on par with Hitler. His policies are what forever screwed the USSR from actually following a communist path. If anything, he was just a brutal dictator that killed millions of his own people in a paranoid rage while enforcing racist and discriminatory policies that were anything but communist. Overall, he is quite possibly the least communist communist leader ever. 

 

A+ for stupid posts in this thread tho. 

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"Russian here...."

 

Yup, that whole post is a lie. 

Wait,... How do you know he's lying? You don't even know his name, his address and his face. In fact there is no reason to lie in anonymous board

 

 

1. I live in a rural area. I'm working class. You don't know what you're talking about mkay?....

2. Stalin wasn't even a communist. He was a psychopathic, racist, discriminating, egotistical tyrant on par with Hitler. His policies are what forever screwed the USSR from actually following a communist path. If anything, he was just a brutal dictator that killed millions of his own people in a paranoid rage while enforcing racist and discriminatory policies that were anything but communist. Overall, he is quite possibly the least communist communist leader ever. 

 

A+ for stupid posts in this thread tho. 

 

Ah yes, I've seen that before.

At least those hipster !@#$ will get punished. Those "Starbucks communists", as I call them, are nothing but cancer imo.

 

This is a first time I agreed with a communist...

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How do you know it was a lie? You don't even know his name, his address and his face. 

Well no shit... That's mostly it right there.....

Also because it's 4chan of all garbage, where everyone is a retarded nobody troll and I actually live with a Russian from Russia.

 

It's like me saying I'm from Ethiopia and I'm the second coming of Christ. Prove me wrong. You don't have to, because it sounds that stupid. 

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Fox Fire all you're doing is regurgitating the same old bourgeois line on Stalin, when in reality the USSR was engaged in a brutal class war and sabotage was rife (see the accounts of John D. Littlepage, who was an American expert employed by the Soviet government, who documented many, many cases in the Siberian mines of sabotage, in some cases entire mines were collapsed and people killed). The USSR wouldn't have even survived the Nazi invasion if it wasn't for Stalin's industrialization and his ruthlessness with enemies, especially considering that the Red Army was mostly staffed with Tsarist officers from before the Revolution, you think those guys would have fought for socialism against Hitler? And you'd probably say that purging the Red Army was unnecessary, I mean it's not like any Red Army generals revolted and joined the Nazi's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Vlasov)....

 

Prominent enemies of Stalin like Bukharin admitted to wanting state-capitalism in the USSR, Bukharin's line to the peasants was "enrich yourself", very socialist, wow. Trotsky became a terrorist and worked from inside America to overthrow the Soviet government at the same time as the fascist were preparing to invade.

 

 

â€Our clandestine radio transmitter from eastern Prussia to Russia is creating an enormous sensation. It operates in Trotsky’s name, and is causing Stalin plenty of troubleâ€

 

â€Now we work with three clandestine radio stations in Russia: first Trotskyist, the second separatist, third Russian-nationalists, all criticise Stalinism. They are an example of cunning and subtlety.â€

 

- Joseph Goebbels's personal diaries

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Also because it's 4chan of all garbage, where everyone is a retarded nobody troll and I actually live with a Russian from Russia.

 

I do also believe 4chan is full of edgy teenager who trying to be "kool", but you just implying at /b/, 4chan random board. 

 

That post I took from /pol/ I'll guess but I'm still wondering how do you know he was lying. I mean it clearly have no evidence that he live in Russia or not,

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Fox Fire all you're doing is regurgitating the same old bourgeois line on Stalin, when in reality the USSR was engaged in a brutal class war and sabotage was rife (see the accounts of John D. Littlepage, who was an American expert employed by the Soviet government, who documented many, many cases in the Siberian mines of sabotage, in some cases entire mines were collapsed and people killed). The USSR wouldn't have even survived the Nazi invasion if it wasn't for Stalin's industrialization and his ruthlessness with enemies, especially considering that the Red Army was mostly staffed with Tsarist officers from before the Revolution, you think those guys would have fought for socialism against Hitler? And you'd probably say that purging the Red Army was unnecessary, I mean it's not like any Red Army generals revolted and joined the Nazi's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Vlasov)....

 

Prominent enemies of Stalin like Bukharin admitted to wanting state-capitalism in the USSR, Bukharin's line to the peasants was "enrich yourself", very socialist, wow. Trotsky became a terrorist and worked from inside America to overthrow the Soviet government at the same time as the fascist were preparing to invade.

 

- Joseph Goebbels's personal diaries

Stalin came to power after a power struggle. Then he forcibly crushed all political opposition, any chance at democracy, imprisoned and slaughtered farmers and land owners for nothing. It's HIS authoritarianism that lead to social upheaval and his response was the great purge, where he killed indiscriminately, including communists. I mean actual communists. The ones that followed Lenin in the revolution. His policies built a strong industry but also caused famine and the deaths of countless people for next to nothing. He also wasn't so opposed to the Nazis. He signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler and intended to work with him to take over Europe. Stalin was surprised when he was backstabbed.

Lenin and Trotsky were internationalists and had completely different plans for the USSR. They were also good examples of left and right within the USSR. Stalin however rejected both the left and the right within the USSR and took on a 3rd position that got millions of people killed because he was afraid of some capitalist conspiracy. Guess who else did that? Hitler. So can we say that Hitler murdering millions was acceptable just because he had internal political opposition? 

Think about what you're saying...

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I do also believe 4chan is full of edgy teenager who trying to be "kool", but you just implying at /b/, 4chan random board. 

 

That post I took from /pol/ I'll guess but I'm still wondering how do you know he was lying. I mean it clearly have no evidence that he live in Russia or not,

He just doesn't strike me as someone who was raised in USSR. He sounds very western raised and I would expect an anti-communist Russian who actually did live in the USSR, to come up with a far better argument than the same regurgitated western perception of communism. Because they usually do.

That's just my impression. 

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The only thing I question is the age of people who can remember the former Soviet Union. You at least have to be over thirty years old to even remotely remembering the very last year or two of the Soviet Life in the Soviet Union, and even then you only remember it as a recently post-toddler/child.

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