Pfeiffer Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 TEst chat: Hereno = !@#$ guzzling !@#$got Quote ☾☆ Chairman Emeritus of Mensa HQ ☾☆ "It's not about the actual fish, themselves. Fish are not important in this context. It's about fish-ing, the act of fishing itself." -Jack O'Neill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabcat Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 As a former vicitm of the Aaargh raids with my fat arsed infra/econ build I'm really pissed off about the changes to the mechanics. I want revenge, actual revenge, not the kind handed down by some wooly benefactor. I want to brood in an alliance for a few months, speak to other pissed off former victims and at some point in the future, smash the pirates to shit. That's game play to me. The mechanics only matter in so far as everyone is subject to the same mechanics, however "broken" they may or may not be. Making this another "let's all get really big, as big as we can" type game is going to make it stale, and boring really fast. In short, I pretty much agree with Hereno about the game (and the tits) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Glad to see our strong history with Hereno being revived here. Another convincing post you've made here mate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroshima Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Hereno: Find Jacky Cold and rule this world, pls. Quote “I'm cheap and enjoy butchering” - Manthrax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crust Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) I'm glad each discussion can turn in to a dick measuring contest with an "no you", "nooooo you!" ending. I seriously thought there was some good points of Hereno's OP but this is just silly. There's nothing wrong with arrgh, just like there's nothing wrong with people playing Garen because he's OP cause of riot games shitty changes. If someone's game play is skewed or not is not is not their fault, it's the admin(s) and it's ultimately their responsibility to fix it if they want people to say. I have personal problems with arrgh but that doesn't make them either inherently bad or inherently good, that's just how the game is. Having an alliance that just goes against the hegemonic politics is fun for me, but if it's just gonna end up with this puddle of shit it's probably best to leave it alone. Edited March 29, 2016 by Satisfriend Quote It's my birthday today, and I'm 33! That means only one thing...BRING IT IN, GUYS! *every character from every game, comic, cartoon, TV show, movie, and book reality come in with everything for a HUGE party* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Fynn Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 you went from ~68 to like 35 or so also where the !@#$ did you go? who is phoenix? are you really telling me that i just created the strongest leftist alliance in the game by !@#$ accident? this planet :facepalm: lmao, don't give yourself too much credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durmij Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 --snip-- Here's the thing. Their political ambitions are admirable, but it doesn't make the game more interesting to have a broken scoring/matching system. If just once, in the run up to this and probably future changes, someone from Arrgh had said "yeah combat is a little wonky but we still gotta do our thing", I would still have warm place in my heart for the pirates. Instead we got wall after wall of text about how everyone else is just bad and it's actually super easy to fight someone with 40% more potential and 100% more standing military if you just build right, ignoring the fact that you can't build cities with 30+ improvements and 1.6k infra and your allies can't declare on them. Jumping on that Garen example, I've played Garen a lot since the Juggernaut patch fiasco. And every time someone has accused me of playing an OP champ, my response has been "Yep, should have banned him." And he has been nerfed and tweaked, and that's exactly what this. The game before the update was dramatically hostile to mid tier nations. After the update... well it's better. There are still serious problems, but the game is better today than it was yesterday. Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Here's the thing. Their political ambitions are admirable, but it doesn't make the game more interesting to have a broken scoring/matching system. If just once, in the run up to this and probably future changes, someone from Arrgh had said "yeah combat is a little wonky but we still gotta do our thing", I would still have warm place in my heart for the pirates. Instead we got wall after wall of text about how everyone else is just bad and it's actually super easy to fight someone with 40% more potential and 100% more standing military if you just build right, ignoring the fact that you can't build cities with 30+ improvements and 1.6k infra and your allies can't declare on them. Jumping on that Garen example, I've played Garen a lot since the Juggernaut patch fiasco. And every time someone has accused me of playing an OP champ, my response has been "Yep, should have banned him." And he has been nerfed and tweaked, and that's exactly what this. The game before the update was dramatically hostile to mid tier nations. After the update... well it's better. There are still serious problems, but the game is better today than it was yesterday. It wasn't really broken before. Now it favors the Pre/farmer build. That is not broken per se, just reduces the probable frequency of war and the fun and activity that brings to the game. 1 Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) I'm glad each discussion can turn in to a dick measuring contest with an "no you", "nooooo you!" ending. I seriously thought there was some good points of Hereno's OP but this is just silly. There's nothing wrong with arrgh, just like there's nothing wrong with people playing Garen because he's OP cause of riot games shitty changes. If someone's game play is skewed or not is not is not their fault, it's the admin(s) and it's ultimately their responsibility to fix it if they want people to say. I have personal problems with arrgh but that doesn't make them either inherently bad or inherently good, that's just how the game is. Having an alliance that just goes against the hegemonic politics is fun for me, but if it's just gonna end up with this puddle of shit it's probably best to leave it alone. everybody here being rude to me are IRL conservatives in terminus est who have a long track record of internet-tough-guy-ism and absolutely terrible political opinions completely divorced from reality except holton who is mad at me for exposing him as himself and also for other ooc disagreements we have and dylan pascua who i don't really understand why he hates me but i've always thought he was stupid so i don't really care oh and the guy who made his very first post on these forums a snarky remark @ me (i'm honored, really) oh and the guy from gpa who literally had to retract his rude post because it wasn't neutral (LMAO) point being, please don't let prefontaine and his band of merry idiots ruin an otherwise great thread Edited March 30, 2016 by Hereno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegoz Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I'm glad each discussion can turn in to a dick measuring contest with an "no you", "nooooo you!" ending. I seriously thought there was some good points of Hereno's OP but this is just silly. There's nothing wrong with arrgh, just like there's nothing wrong with people playing Garen because he's OP cause of riot games shitty changes. If someone's game play is skewed or not is not is not their fault, it's the admin(s) and it's ultimately their responsibility to fix it if they want people to say. I have personal problems with arrgh but that doesn't make them either inherently bad or inherently good, that's just how the game is. Having an alliance that just goes against the hegemonic politics is fun for me, but if it's just gonna end up with this puddle of shit it's probably best to leave it alone. To take your LoL analogy, the war system before was more like a team of Plat 5's being matched against a team of Bronze 5's I do like that you brought league into this though. 1 Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durmij Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 To take your LoL analogy, the war system before was more like a team of Plat 5's being matched against a team of Bronze 5's I do like that you brought league into this though. No, because rankings are based on skill. This was like level ones facing level 30's; seriously lacking in the resources to even compete. 1 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crust Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 To me these discussions have been like if you played support and some !@#$boi started greaving you for not being able to 1v1, not having more kills etc. If I wanted to adc I wouldn't have !@#$ing picked Morgana, now would I? Anyway Hereno, I already know 90% of TEst are !@#$. Usually the case when you got a neo-nazi and a libertarian in your crew. More disappointed in the way you're behaving. Just ignore them instead, ain't too hard. Quote It's my birthday today, and I'm 33! That means only one thing...BRING IT IN, GUYS! *every character from every game, comic, cartoon, TV show, movie, and book reality come in with everything for a HUGE party* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatkitteh Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 -> Sets everyone on DNR, complains about immunity to Arrrgh piracy. -> Doesn't bother with big alliances before update, complains about not being able to after update. -> Wants to take on the world by himself, gets content with young and inexperienced. What a bunch of nice meme's i could made from these. For you i won't even bother with text. Its almost as bad as my shitpost when I started Quote :sheepy: :sheepy: Greatkitteh was here.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Clooney Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 everybody here being rude to me are IRL conservatives in terminus est who have a long track record of internet-tough-guy-ism and absolutely terrible political opinions completely divorced from reality except holton who is mad at me for exposing him as himself and also for other ooc disagreements we have and dylan pascua who i don't really understand why he hates me but i've always thought he was stupid so i don't really care oh and the guy who made his very first post on these forums a snarky remark @ me (i'm honored, really) oh and the guy from gpa who literally had to retract his rude post because it wasn't neutral (LMAO) point being, please don't let prefontaine and his band of merry idiots ruin an otherwise great thread Your OP is factually incorrect on a number of points, you whine for a bit, insult the admin of the game, and then finally get to the point, which is you are starting a new alliance. A few of your friends clicked the 'like' button. Of course your critics came out to make an appearance. Yeah, great thread. Here is how it really is. After the rule change people will continue to raid, some will make nice incomes from it, and a year or two from now you'll look back on this time and tell tales like people in (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) used to talk about \m/ or Athens or Mushroom Kingdom about how you were gods walking the earth and the rest of us had the privilege of knowing you. But if Arrgh is no longer a thing by then, it will be 100% on Arrgh, not Sheepy, and not your critics. In the meantime, get some ointment for that butthurt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EliteCanada Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) It wasn't really broken before. Unless you're part of a big grand AA how are you going to even compete with Arrrrgh! as a new/low/mid tier nation/AA? It's broken when you have no chance to fight back w/o being part of a large AA. I fail to see arguments of "AAs could fight us if they really wanted to" as being valid. Is Rose/VE/Alpha/NPO/or tS (or whichever AA you want to name) going to sell down to that level and fight Arrrgh! until they're beaten down to then spend hundreds of millions (or w/e the amount is) to rebuild to repeat the process every other month (or however long it'll take Arrrgh! to rebuild) just to leave themselves open to old grudges or other AAs to be taken advantage of (I wonder which AAs out there want to be number one and might take an advantage of this )? Or are you saying the proper way to counter Arrrrgh! is a global coalition against them with AAs taking turns to blitz them when they(Arrrghh!) rebuild? Are you, and others, saying the system is balanced when you need all major AAs working in a concentrated effort to beat the raiders (an AA of what 50 members?)? Please. TLDR: it's not balanced just because there's a way to combat it (especially the way it seems people are saying). It especially isn't balanced if there is no chance to build w/o being part of a large AA or being affiliated with protection. Edit: Also it seems to me the old system encouraged pixel hugging of the worst nature. That is by allowing the fun and exciting war mongers and pirates to pillage weaker nations and AAs while leaving the high mid tier/high tier/super tiers free to pixel hug without any war. The way it is now (it seems, but I could easily be mistaken) is that raiders will now have to fight people capable of fighting back (namely higher tier nations *gasps*). Also love the LoL references. 10/10 Edited March 30, 2016 by EliteCanada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 Your OP is factually incorrect on a number of points, you whine for a bit, insult the admin of the game, and then finally get to the point, which is you are starting a new alliance. A few of your friends clicked the 'like' button. Of course your critics came out to make an appearance. Yeah, great thread. Here is how it really is. After the rule change people will continue to raid, some will make nice incomes from it, and a year or two from now you'll look back on this time and tell tales like people in (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) used to talk about \m/ or Athens or Mushroom Kingdom about how you were gods walking the earth and the rest of us had the privilege of knowing you. But if Arrgh is no longer a thing by then, it will be 100% on Arrgh, not Sheepy, and not your critics. In the meantime, get some ointment for that butthurt. i don't even know half of those people, guy who uses the term "butthurt" unironically and is in an alliance named after the side that lost the american civil war and owned slaves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurdanak Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Glad to see our strong history with Hereno being revived here. Another convincing post you've made here mate.It makes me want to dig up that google doc of douchey Hereno quotes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Unless you're part of a big grand AA how are you going to even compete with Arrrrgh! as a new/low/mid tier nation/AA? It's broken when you have no chance to fight back w/o being part of a large AA. I fail to see arguments of "AAs could fight us if they really wanted to" as being valid. Is Rose/VE/Alpha/NPO/or tS (or whichever AA you want to name) going to sell down to that level and fight Arrrgh! until they're beaten down to then spend hundreds of millions (or w/e the amount is) to rebuild to repeat the process every other month (or however long it'll take Arrrgh! to rebuild) just to leave themselves open to old grudges or other AAs to be taken advantage of (I wonder which AAs out there want to be number one and might take an advantage of this )? Or are you saying the proper way to counter Arrrrgh! is a global coalition against them with AAs taking turns to blitz them when they(Arrrghh!) rebuild? Are you, and others, saying the system is balanced when you need all major AAs working in a concentrated effort to beat the raiders (an AA of what 50 members?)? Please. TLDR: it's not balanced just because there's a way to combat it (especially the way it seems people are saying). It especially isn't balanced if there is no chance to build w/o being part of a large AA or being affiliated with protection. Edit: Also it seems to me the old system encouraged pixel hugging of the worst nature. That is by allowing the fun and exciting war mongers and pirates to pillage weaker nations and AAs while leaving the high mid tier/high tier/super tiers free to pixel hug without any war. The way it is now (it seems, but I could easily be mistaken) is that raiders will now have to fight people capable of fighting back (namely higher tier nations *gasps*). Also love the LoL references. 10/10 That would be a strong argument if one person could not have done it alone. But one person did. 2 Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EliteCanada Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 That would be a strong argument if one person could not have done it alone. But one person did. Really it takes one nation to beat 55? Mmm, was going off of the implications of some of the other posts. If that is the case why would people talk about Arrrrgh as though they were a problem too costly to handle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) Really it takes one nation to beat 55? Mmm, was going off of the implications of some of the other posts. If that is the case why would people talk about Arrrrgh as though they were a problem too costly to handle? Donno? It was hard? It wasn't really 55 it was like 6. There also seems to be some evidence that this was not about aargh at all but a sustained campaign of whine by members of some alliances who have had trouble winning wars to artificially weaken their opponents. Edited March 31, 2016 by LordRahl2 Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroshima Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Hereno are you still mad that we didn't support your dumb raids while you were in TBC? Quote “I'm cheap and enjoy butchering” - Manthrax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 Hereno are you still mad that we didn't support your dumb raids while you were in TBC? you mean that time i attacked someone who decided it would be a fun idea to troll me for being a rape victim and you all just sorta sat back while non-allied government nuked me in retaliation for hitting someone on a one-man aa? not really, no, i wasn't mad to begin with, i just thought it was kind of pathetic that you were being raided and not defending yourselves and didn't see a point in being in an alliance that couldn't protect me from being raided Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 It makes me want to dig up that google doc of douchey Hereno quotes. if this actually exists, the author should be embarrassed at caring that much about the opinions of some guy on the internet holy shit do you people have lives at all? lmfao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 This has hit 7 pages and I refuse to read any of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vellocet Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Good luck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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