GOOD! Commies Threaten To Leave America IF Trump Elected!

[Mutsuo Toi]

Communism is the only true form of nationalism and patriotism, because only under Communism does the hard work of the people go directly to the Nation/State itself, rather than to the bank accounts of the bourgeoisie. If you oppose Communism you are against your own country and it's people.

 

>2015

>Think communist is not corporate in government power.

>Still afraid of "le ebil bourgeoisie boogeyman".

 

China trying to destroy culture heritage and you still think it was nationalist

[Mutsuo Toi]

First of all, what my signature is has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Second of all, that quote is from Nineteen Eighty-Four written by George Orwell to serve as a warning about the dangers of totalitarianism. Totalitarianism largely consists of suppressing people's freedoms. So, if your point was to point out that I am opposed to limiting people's freedoms (which is what the quote understood in its proper context expresses) you're spot on. Otherwise, try again.

>tfw you can't read 1984

 

!@#$ 'ing nanny states...

Edited April 5, 2016 by lizard noob

[Thalmor]

It's un-American to leave the country should you want to do so? Hahaha, that's such typical "murrika !@#$ yeah" bullshit 

 

I think it's "un-American" to criticize people for using the freedoms their ancestors fought for and to criticize them for wanting to live their lives however they want, even if that does mean leaving the country. Oh and there are places in the world where people can live much better lives than they can in the United States. Not all people who leave regret leaving, that's just wishful patriotic thinking.

 

It's un-American to leave because we're in a democracy. To want to leave the country because ''your guy'' didn't win is utterly ridiculous and undermines core American values. 

 

What's an example of a country in which people can move to from the United States and live ''much'' better?

[Andrezj Kolarov]

It's un-American to leave because we're in a democracy. To want to leave the country because ''your guy'' didn't win is utterly ridiculous and undermines core American values. 

 

What's an example of a country in which people can move to from the United States and live ''much'' better?

Democracy is the rule of the majority, the majority of America are working class, yet the economy and wealth is owned by a tiny minority of capitalists. Politics is not just some magical thing which floats outside economics and is uninfluenced by material factors, politics is the outgrowth of economics. True Democracy exists only in a socialist system where the economy is owned by the Nation (representing the people as a whole), not by private individuals (who represent only themselves).

 

America is not even a NATION in the true meaning, as it's entirely owned by private individuals, it is less of a country and more of an "open territory" for investment.

[fistofdoom]

Democracy is the rule of the majority, the majority of America are working class, yet the economy and wealth is owned by a tiny minority of capitalists. Politics is not just some magical thing which floats outside economics and is uninfluenced by material factors, politics is the outgrowth of economics. True Democracy exists only in a socialist system where the economy is owned by the Nation (representing the people as a whole), not by private individuals (who represent only themselves).

 

America is not even a NATION in the true meaning, as it's entirely owned by private individuals, it is less of a country and more of an "open territory" for investment.

Then I guess you shouldnt be calling yourself a person, and instead call yourself a repository for bad ideas.

[Sailor Jerry]

 

What's an example of a country in which people can move to from the United States and live ''much'' better?

Any place #23 to #1:  http://lifestyle9.org/worlds-best-country-to-live-in-2013/

Edited April 5, 2016 by Sailor Jerry

[Thalmor]

Any place #23 to #1:  http://lifestyle9.org/worlds-best-country-to-live-in-2013/

 

#23 is the United Arab Emirates. The UAE has plenty of human rights issues involving women. The two biggest religious dispositions in the United States are Christians and atheists, and both would have a bad time in the UAE. Same thing with #8, Qatar.

 

#22 is Costa Rica. Costa Rica is a nice nation, but it also lacks the healthcare and education of the United States.

 

Most of the rest of those are European countries. A lot of those same European counties are having issues thanks to all the Muslim migrants, and this will cause long-term problems down the roads decades from now if something isn't done soon about it, so you can expect those countries to get worse.

 

Now, ranking economics and corruption and everything is great, but think about it personally: The language barrier, the cultural differences and norms you'd have to adapt to, differences is cuisine, and so forth. If you moved to a different country, you would have to deal with those problems, and to have to go through all that just because your candidate lost the election is foolish- taking me back to my original quote.

[Clarke]

#23 is the United Arab Emirates. The UAE has plenty of human rights issues involving women. The two biggest religious dispositions in the United States are Christians and atheists, and both would have a bad time in the UAE. Same thing with #8, Qatar.

 

#22 is Costa Rica. Costa Rica is a nice nation, but it also lacks the healthcare and education of the United States.

 

Most of the rest of those are European countries. A lot of those same European counties are having issues thanks to all the Muslim migrants, and this will cause long-term problems down the roads decades from now if something isn't done soon about it, so you can expect those countries to get worse.

 

Now, ranking economics and corruption and everything is great, but think about it personally: The language barrier, the cultural differences and norms you'd have to adapt to, differences is cuisine, and so forth. If you moved to a different country, you would have to deal with those problems, and to have to go through all that just because your candidate lost the election is foolish- taking me back to my original quote.

 

#2: Sweden

#3: Qatar

#10: Netherlands

#13: Canada

#15: Germany

#16: United Kingdom

#19: Belgium

#21: France

#23: United Arab Emirates

 

Those are all the countries to avoid in the top 30. Costa Rica seems like a place to retire. 

If one hates Trump then those are also the countries you should go to get the type of culturally diversity one wants in America that they think Trump is going to take away. Be quick for some as they might not last, get them while they're hot. 

#3 and #23 are worse than enduring Trump as president but not to worry, one who hates Trump shouldn't be judging Muslims who live there, only a tiny minority of Muslims are bad. 

Edited April 5, 2016 by Clarke

[Moreau]

Costa Rica seems like a place to retire. 

 

Who say's they want your hill-billy ass? 

 

If one hates Trump then those are also the countries you should go to get the type of culturally diversity one wants in America that they think Trump is going to take away. 

>Complains about Multiculturalism in the West

>Wants to retire in Costa Rica 

 

Lmao.

Edited April 5, 2016 by Moreau III

[Clarke]

Who say's they want your white hill-billy ass? 

 

>Complains about Multiculturalism in the West

>Wants to retire in Costa Rica 

Costa Rica is mostly white but no I wouldn't retire there. 

Edited April 5, 2016 by Clarke

[Moreau]

Costa Rica is mostly white but no I wouldn't retire there. 

 

You a racist.

 

May I drink your tears?  

 

[Sailor Jerry]

 

Now, ranking economics and corruption and everything is great, but think about it personally: The language barrier, the cultural differences and norms you'd have to adapt to, differences is cuisine, and so forth. If you moved to a different country, you would have to deal with those problems, and to have to go through all that just because your candidate lost the election is foolish- taking me back to my original quote.

So I present you a list of places that could be better off to live than the U.S. and you throw this card!  Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the U.K. and Ireland.  All speak English, all are first world countries and as far as the cuisine goes, I don't really think there is that much difference between those places and the U.S.  I mean have you ever heard of anyone saying......."Hey, lets go out for  New Zealand tonight, or maybe we should try that Canadian restaurant that just opened."  As to the part I bolded, I'm sure the Germans in the 30s-40s probably thought the same thing....."Why bother leaving.....this guy wouldn't be that bad".

[Thalmor]

You a racist.

 

That's not really an argument, you know.

 

Unless you're joking or being ironic; in which case, disregard this post.

 

 

Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the U.K. and Ireland.  All speak English, all are first world countries and as far as the cuisine goes, I don't really think there is that much difference between those places and the U.S.  I mean have you ever heard of anyone saying......."Hey, lets go out for  New Zealand tonight, or maybe we should try that Canadian restaurant that just opened."

 

That's actually a perfectly valid point. There would still be a culture shock with learning local customs and the slight differences in pronunciation, grammar, and expressions, but moving from the United States to any of the other anglo-settled countries would be fair.

 

 

As to the part I bolded, I'm sure the Germans in the 30s-40s probably thought the same thing....."Why bother leaving.....this guy wouldn't be that bad".

 

Edited April 5, 2016 by Thalmor

[Big Brother]

It's un-American to leave because we're in a democracy. To want to leave the country because ''your guy'' didn't win is utterly ridiculous and undermines core American values. 

 

What's an example of a country in which people can move to from the United States and live ''much'' better?

 

It's un-American to leave the country because the United States is a democracy? What kind of arbitrary reasoning is that? Please read that statement again and tell me it's not ridiculous nonsense. The only valid reason anyone needs to leave the country is simply "wanting to leave the country". That is enough. That is what freedom is about, that is what our democracies seek to preserve; freedom of choice. Not just the choice of who runs the country, but the choice of how and where to live your life.

 

As for your question, let's use the Human Development Index as an indicator of where it's best to live. In case you're not aware:

 

The Human Development Index (HDI) is a composite statistic of life expectancy, education, and income per capita indicators, which are used to rank countries into four tiers of human development. A country scores higher HDI when the life expectancy at birth is longer, the education period is longer, and the income per capita is higher. The HDI was developed by the Pakistani economist Mahbub ul Haq working alongside Indian economist Amartya Sen, often framed in terms of whether people are able to "be" and "do" desirable things in their life,^[1] and was published by the United Nations Development Programme.^[2]

 

Now let's see, where do we find the United States?

 

 

Not at the top, is it?

 

So to answer your question, Norway, Australia, Switzerland, Denmark, the Netherlands, Germany and Ireland have all been judged to be better places to live than the United States.

 

Even if someone moved from the United States to a country that has been judged to have worse living quality this doesn't mean that they will always in every case end up wishing they hadn't left the United States, contrary to what your previous statement sought to ascertain. It's hardly impossible for people to live perfectly happy lives in Bangladesh or Sudan or any other country that scores terrible on the indexes used to measure living quality. People are different, they seek different things and different ways to live. It's not inconceivable that some people would live happier, even better lives living as simple fishermen in wooden huts or whatever else they want to do. If you really believe that everyone looks at the United States and sees the ultimate pinnacle of civilization and everything good it has to offer, you're blinded by your own fondness for your country. Not everyone fits into the societies they were born into, nor should they be expected to.

Edited April 5, 2016 by Big Brother

[Rozalia]

 

 

Yeah I saw that. "Cucks know best" apparently as several them think they can lecture a holocaust survivor on how Trump is literally Hitler. Some even had the gall to say he was "privileged", that old chestnut. Nasty guys. Dishonest people. Sad!

[Mutsuo Toi]

You a racist.

 

May I drink your tears?  

It's this how you start an argument?...

 

Damn, no wonder why KKK and Neo-Nazi exist

[Sailor Jerry]

Yeah I saw that. "Cucks know best" apparently as several them think they can lecture a holocaust survivor on how Trump is literally Hitler. Some even had the gall to say he was "privileged", that old chestnut. Nasty guys. Dishonest people. Sad!

History is always ready to repeat itself.  Nobody is !@#$ing lecturing any holocaust survivor/s, not here at least.  Tell me this though, how many people did Hitler imprison or have put to death before he took sole power?  I'm just sayin' 

[Abu Haddad]

you become american when you forget which country you are originally from

[Rozalia]

History is always ready to repeat itself.  Nobody is !@#$ lecturing any holocaust survivor/s, not here at least.  Tell me this though, how many people did Hitler imprison or have put to death before he took sole power?  I'm just sayin' 

 

What kind of rebuttal is that? Where did I say people were here doing that? I didn't, however that lecturing and talk of privilege did happen elsewhere, saw it myself and it's just what you'd expect from that crowd of people. 

 

Now for the rest you're "sayin'", no. Wanting to kick out people who have broken the law does not equal putting innocents in concentration camps to be killed. Seriously making such a comparison and putting them on a comparable level to the point one is "literally Hitler" demeans and insults all those who died in the concentration camps. They didn't die so Liberals could use their deaths as a cheap silencing tactic against anybody they disagreed with, for today anyone who is a Nazi is really just someone a Liberal disagrees with. 

 

To make things more laughable America before Trump already imprisons large amount of people, most are even one race. Is Trump guilty for that too? Lets not forget he is the only candidate who wants to take on the drug cartels.

All such things remind me of is the Muslims in prison statics when they get mentioned, you know the ones, "Muslims make up X.XX% of the population but make up 70% of the prison population". For a normal person the obvious thought would be there clearly is something wrong with integration and Islam has been allowed to run too rampant. For a Liberal however the first thought is, "Wow the police must be totally racist, how sick are those prisons". 

If a new Hitler does ride up it'll ultimately be on hands such as yours, not those like mine. Your kind would have been the ones who cultivated an environment that allow such an individual to rise, that pushed people to believe more extreme measures are needed.

[Andrezj Kolarov]

How do conservatives feel about Commies with guns? I mean the Second Amendment is absolute yeah? Well regulated militias yeah? So can a commie/socialist group form their own army with assault rifles, grenades and whatever else they can buy? What about concealed carry? Does that mean workers can be armed at work?

[Thalmor]

How do conservatives feel about Commies with guns? I mean the Second Amendment is absolute yeah? Well regulated militias yeah? So can a commie/socialist group form their own army with assault rifles, grenades and whatever else they can buy? What about concealed carry? Does that mean workers can be armed at work?

 

It's apolitical- you can be a communist or neo-Nazi and the Second Amendment is still your God-given right.

 

How do I, a very patriotic conservative with strong anti-left sentiment feel about communists or socialist owning guns? I don't care. It's still your right.

 

The funny thing, though, is that most people in the country who are anti-gun and socialists are, at the same time, completely ignorant of guns and how to operate/maintain one properly- on top on being ridiculously scared of them (it's okay to have a healthy respect for the dangerousness of a firearm, but I'm talking ​really terrified). So I doubt a lot of American socialists do own guns and could form, in theory, a halfway-decent militia for any purpose. That's not to say that there aren't socialists in America who own and can proficiently use firearms, but they're a small group.

[Big Brother]

It's apolitical- you can be a communist or neo-Nazi and the Second Amendment is still your God-given right.

 

How do I, a very patriotic conservative with strong anti-left sentiment feel about communists or socialist owning guns? I don't care. It's still your right.

 

The funny thing, though, is that most people in the country who are anti-gun and socialists are, at the same time, completely ignorant of guns and how to operate/maintain one properly- on top on being ridiculously scared of them (it's okay to have a healthy respect for the dangerousness of a firearm, but I'm talking ​really terrified). So I doubt a lot of American socialists do own guns and could form, in theory, a halfway-decent militia for any purpose. That's not to say that there aren't socialists in America who own and can proficiently use firearms, but they're a small group.

 

Dude, it's not that difficult to teach people how to operate and maintain firearms. People have been learning it with relative ease since firearms became a thing. Child soldiers can learn that stuff. If American socialists wanted to own guns and wanted to form "halfway-decent militia for any purpose", they would simply do so. American socialists aren't any less capable of learning and organizing themselves than any other segment of the population. You should never underestimate anyone.

 

Also, I feel like you as a "patriotic conservative with strong anti-left sentiment" isn't the most qualified and certainly not the most unbiased judge of how American socialists feel about firearms or of how many American socialists possess and are able to maintain/properly use firearms.

[fistofdoom]

Dude, it's not that difficult to teach people how to operate and maintain firearms. 

[Thalmor]

Dude, it's not that difficult to teach people how to operate and maintain firearms. People have been learning it with relative ease since firearms became a thing. Child soldiers can learn that stuff. If American socialists wanted to own guns and wanted to form "halfway-decent militia for any purpose", they would simply do so. American socialists aren't any less capable of learning and organizing themselves than any other segment of the population. You should never underestimate anyone.

 

Also, I feel like you as a "patriotic conservative with strong anti-left sentiment" isn't the most qualified and certainly not the most unbiased judge of how American socialists feel about firearms or of how many American socialists possess and are able to maintain/properly use firearms.

 

Do you personally own and maintain firearms? It's not exactly as easy as some may think. You have to ensure they're oiled properly, cleaned; you have to learn how to properly put the cartridges in the magazine, how to adjust sights- it's not just like a camera where you can point and ''shoot'' with it.

 

I like to think of myself as being able to see both sides and give credit where it's due. I did say in that post: ''That's not to say that there aren't socialists in America who own and can proficiently use firearms, but they're a small group.''

 

What I said wasn't a universal. But in America, I see a lot of kids become socialists when they get into college, and they also adopt anti-gun stances and develop a fear of guns. Are there 30, 40 year old socialists in America who own guns and can use them? I wouldn't deny it, but there's those two different groups and the former is much larger than the latter.

[Big Brother]

Do you personally own and maintain firearms? It's not exactly as easy as some may think. You have to ensure they're oiled properly, cleaned; you have to learn how to properly put the cartridges in the magazine, how to adjust sights- it's not just like a camera where you can point and ''shoot'' with it.

 

I like to think of myself as being able to see both sides and give credit where it's due. I did say in that post: ''That's not to say that there aren't socialists in America who own and can proficiently use firearms, but they're a small group.''

 

What I said wasn't a universal. But in America, I see a lot of kids become socialists when they get into college, and they also adopt anti-gun stances and develop a fear of guns. Are there 30, 40 year old socialists in America who own guns and can use them? I wouldn't deny it, but there's those two different groups and the former is much larger than the latter.

 

It might not be as easy as some may think but any human being with a functioning mind and body is capable of learning how to do it. It's something almost every single human being is capable of, including children. It's not some kind of mystical esoteric knowledge hidden to all but a few people, it's just a matter of information, training and equipment which is accessible to a lot of people all over the world.

 

It's fine that you're able to give credit where it's due, but my point was that however small such a group is today, vastly increasing the numbers of that group is simply a matter of deciding to make it happen. It doesn't really matter how small the group is today, what matters is the group's potential size and strength should they seek those ends, which they're currently not doing.

 

"A lot of kids become socialists when they get into college", "they also adapt anti-gun stances and develop a fear of guns". Those are some pretty tenuous statements, who are you that knows these people so well? Do you actually have any facts backing that up besides what you "see"? And do you understand the distinction between being afraid of getting shot and being afraid of the results of widespread possession and use of firearms? Because there's a difference. Regardless, there's nothing wrong with fearing weapons that are designed to kill people, I wouldn't blame anyone for it.