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Europe has being left for a ridiculous amount of time, you draw my ire for making this about the right. 

 

That you think capitalist governments such as that of France who participated in the destruction of Thomas Sankara's socialist regime in their former colony of Burkina Faso says a lot about how far divorced from reality you are. This is absolutely about the right, and it is the far-right wing of Islam who continually perpetrates these attacks against civilians in the West. The scramble for Africa is less than a century old. McCarthyism in the USA happened within the lifetimes of many people who are alive today. As did the rises of Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco. How any group of nations that 30 years ago opposed the USSR on the basis of anti-communism could be considered "left wing" for "a ridiculous amount of time" is beyond rational thought. How any country, such as Germany, who kept homosexuals imprisoned for decades after the Nazis left power, could be considered left-wing, is absolutely absurd.

 

You people do not live in reality. You do not know your history. You do not know the first thing about the world in which you live if this is what you actually believe. So go ahead and point your fingers at the far-right wing of Islam, because ironically, it's causing you to miss the giant 2x4 in your own eye. If you grew up in those countries, that's the bullshit that you peddlers of state-capitalist ideological dogma would be peddling. If only we could just let the far-right around the world kill each other off like they want to so much, and leave the rest of the sensible, intelligent people left to live in peace and harmony.

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We're talking about the far left and the left not the far far far far left, there is literally none of those apart from maybe you and other commies. 

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Here we go again with the "you're with us or against us" dogma. You wish to blindside the true threat at hand and allow it to roam rampant. Do I agree with Islam radicalism and its culture? No. You don't know how I think nor operate to even make a presumptuous opinion on what I support or condemn. I'm not distracting a single thing, but pointing out the true causes, if you wish to ignore it, then do so. But don't expect us to succumb to your way of thinking. 

 

Actually, I want to know if these muslims (who are supposedly mainly poor and uneducated) refugees or not? 

 

If you ask me, it sounds as if you were pushed around? By Muslims in your community (Which is 50%?)? It's probably what is molding your intolerance and hate.

 

No, I told you before I've already put the solution forward.

 

Nope, many will have been born in the country. So go on, answer.

 

We all have experiences that mold us, all valid.  I may be intolerant but that ain't a bad thing per say like "bigot", but hate doesn't factor in to it.

 

Not just in elemetary school, the complete neighbourhood. I have friends who are muslims and i simply dont get why you hate them that much. They pray to Allah etc. pp. but they are like me and you.

Say that you hate extreme muslims and i am ok with that. What I just dont get is why you hate all muslims on this planet that much.

 

I already said I'd not even mind the extremist if they want to fight over the middle east, it's irrelevant to me. It's the matter of those coming and already here, those are the concern. Those "peaceful" Muslims have the same crazy believes as you might put it as the extreme ones and that is unacceptable. Don't cut that out and you'll never get rid of the problem, any of them can be triggered just like that. 

 

There is nobody on the far left who supports terrorist attacks by Islamic extremists. There are no liberals, who, despite frequently drawing my ire, support those things, either. In your attacks on the left, you all miss that it is your far-right wing policies that brought about all of this nonsense in the first place.

 

Wahhabist Islam is, not as it claims, real Islam. It is less than 150 years old. It is supported by the Saudi government who uses it to repress and control their population. Just as Hamas in Palestine was supported by the Israeli government as a right wing foil to the PLO. Just as America knew that ISIS was going to form back in 2012 and did nothing about it. Just as Turkey is currently purchasing oil from ISIS while bombing the far-left PKK who are fighting against ISIS. Just as left-wing governments such as that of Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, and Mohammad Mosaddegh all found themselves destroyed by intervention from the West. And to be clear, while I do think that Mosaddegh was a pretty good and democratic president, I wasn't nearly as much a fan of Hussein or Gaddafi. But the fact remains that they were aligned against the West and thus were destroyed.

 

Far-right wing Islam has continually found itself supported by the West. Just like far-right wing groups across the world. In Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden originally received a ton of funding from the US government and CIA to fight against the Soviet Union. We saw how well that turned out for us. In Latin America, you had Ronald Reagan funding the contras against the Sandinista democratic socialist government in Nicaragua. The military dictatorship in Brazil was supported by the US government. Salvador Allende, a Chilean socialist who was democratically elected, also found himself murdered with the far-right wing dictator Augusto Pinochet installed in his place, who proceeded to destroy the Chilean economy. In south-east Asia, Pol Pot, ostensibly a communist whose bands of roving teenagers with AK-47s massacred millions of people, received not only funding from the US government but also from the United Nations thanks to US pressure. The Vietnamese "communists" who we had invaded earlier were the ones who invaded and put an end to that murderous, hateful regime. In Indonesia, their far-right wing government also received support, as the CIA assisted in a massacre of around 500,000 communists just a few decades ago.

 

All of this done in the name of "freedom" and "democracy", while the US continues to prop up the Saudi dictatorship which doesn't allow women to drive. But it is the fault of the left? No, it is the fault of you nationalists, fascists, right-wingers, capitalists, and the rest, who see "bomb everybody else into the ground and take everything they have" as being sensible foreign policy. You see us perceived as weak when we have overthrown dozens of governments and have military bases around the world staffed with thousands and thousands of American soldiers, even in countries like Germany and Japan where they have no business. It is a wonder, to me, that things aren't even worse than they are now, and things are - right now - to the point where multiple middle eastern countries are governed by a self-proclaimed Caliphate in 2016 that beheads people and rapes women in the street without consequence. You people do not live in reality, and neither do these "Islamist" idiots, and the vast majority of Muslims - about 1/4 of the world's population - are intelligent enough to see that.

 

Oh please, spare us. Nationalism has been torn apart for ages, you globalists have gotten everything you've wanted and yet it's still the fault of Nationalists somehow. Fascism has been even more irrelevant. Now who is in an alliance with your types to bring about globalisation, multiculturalism, open borders, mass immigration, weakening of the nation state, and more? The right wing and capitalists.

 

The left wing is in an alliance with those on the right like I said in the matters I brought up above. Support for such things is what caused all this. Not nationalism, not fascism, but your views in an alliance with those you supposedly oppose. It is also in an alliance with Islam you could say too, a suicidal pact but such people do seem to despise themselves.

 

When you stop being a pawn/ally of the globalist elites maybe you can lecture us then. 

 

That you think capitalist governments such as that of France who participated in the destruction of Thomas Sankara's socialist regime in their former colony of Burkina Faso says a lot about how far divorced from reality you are. This is absolutely about the right, and it is the far-right wing of Islam who continually perpetrates these attacks against civilians in the West. The scramble for Africa is less than a century old. McCarthyism in the USA happened within the lifetimes of many people who are alive today. As did the rises of Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco. How any group of nations that 30 years ago opposed the USSR on the basis of anti-communism could be considered "left wing" for "a ridiculous amount of time" is beyond rational thought. How any country, such as Germany, who kept homosexuals imprisoned for decades after the Nazis left power, could be considered left-wing, is absolutely absurd.

 

You people do not live in reality. You do not know your history. You do not know the first thing about the world in which you live if this is what you actually believe. So go ahead and point your fingers at the far-right wing of Islam, because ironically, it's causing you to miss the giant 2x4 in your own eye. If you grew up in those countries, that's the bullshit that you peddlers of state-capitalist ideological dogma would be peddling. If only we could just let the far-right around the world kill each other off like they want to so much, and leave the rest of the sensible, intelligent people left to live in peace and harmony.

 

I oppose the same governments you do. "Left wing" governments in the west are indeed a joke. The difference is you're a pawn of the elite, you support everything that helps them destroy our culture, country, and people (though yes I know you don't care). I don't. 

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I want to know the town/city. I assumed it was England but either way I still want the location.

Hannover, Lower Saxony.

 

Regarding those crazy believes muslims have: The catholic church has some too. I have catholic friends. Does every catholic person believe that being gay is wrong? No.

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Hannover, Lower Saxony.

 

Regarding those crazy believes muslims have: The catholic church has some too. I have catholic friends. Does every catholic person believe that being gay is wrong? No.

 

You talk as if I find that acceptable. 

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Even if they are good or bad the truth is just one Europe cannot sustain everyone, in every country of Europe there are poor and homeless people, "money don't grow on trees".

If the boat is sinking don't put more weight on it.

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Even if they are good or bad the truth is just one Europe cannot sustain everyone, in every country of Europe there are poor and homeless people, "money don't grow on trees".

If the boat is sinking don't put more weight on it.

 

Then we should end western imperialism in the middle east, maybe?

 

If we didn't !@#$ up their country and install "democracy", maybe we would never have massive-immigration problems?

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Oh please, spare us. Nationalism has been torn apart for ages, you globalists have gotten everything you've wanted and yet it's still the fault of Nationalists somehow. Fascism has been even more irrelevant. Now who is in an alliance with your types to bring about globalisation, multiculturalism, open borders, mass immigration, weakening of the nation state, and more? The right wing and capitalists.

 

The left wing is in an alliance with those on the right like I said in the matters I brought up above. Support for such things is what caused all this. Not nationalism, not fascism, but your views in an alliance with those you supposedly oppose. It is also in an alliance with Islam you could say too, a suicidal pact but such people do seem to despise themselves.

 

When you stop being a pawn/ally of the globalist elites maybe you can lecture us then. 

 

I oppose the same governments you do. "Left wing" governments in the west are indeed a joke. The difference is you're a pawn of the elite, you support everything that helps them destroy our culture, country, and people (though yes I know you don't care). I don't.

Globalization is inevitable as a result of technological progress. The world is a smaller place and there's nothing you or I can do about it.

 

Multiculturalism is hardly a global norm, but it's also a good thing. You know, understanding and tolerating other people. We've been doing it for thousands of years and cultural diffusion has brought the West such wonderful things as gunpowder, soap, and Christianity.

 

Open borders exist pretty much nowhere except in the Schengen area for Europeans, and the USA has some of the most liberal immigration policies on the planet.

 

The nation-state is stronger than ever. Just because you say it doesn't make it true. 200 years ago, most of the "countries" we know of today weren't homogenous "nations" at all - France still isn't, although Marine Le Pen seems to be getting a lot of support recently. I can point to plenty of examples of strong IRL nationalist movements which have been successful in the past few decades. The Zionist movement in Israel, Arab nationalism throughout the Middle East, the various Slavic nationalisms in the states which make up former Yugoslavia. Indian nationalism against the British Raj, and dozens of other independence movements throughout the third world in reaction to colonialism. I could go on and on and on... and that's not even mentioning that, again, Franco, Mussolini, and Hitler all took power in the 1900s. Not to mention Putin who is in power right now and has been, either overtly or covertly, for over a decade in Russia. Your persecution complex is just that, as is the conspiracy theory of some weird allegiance between me and, well, you, against "our culture" (lol). I guess all of the stuff I said about the US government undermining the governments of dozens of countries throughout the world is bunk because of your assertion that in actuality none of it ever happened.

 

Point being, if you don't intend to actually address my posts, don't quote them. Thanks.

 

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Hannover, Lower Saxony.

 

Regarding those crazy believes muslims have: The catholic church has some too. I have catholic friends. Does every catholic person believe that being gay is wrong? No.

Have you seen many gay Muslims at school? In the neighborhood? 

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Then we should end western imperialism in the middle east, maybe?

 

If we didn't !@#$ up their country and install "democracy", maybe we would never have massive-immigration problems?

 

No. High levels of immigration existed before such wars (at least the ones you're talking about) and would exist even if they hadn't happened with who is currently in charge of Europe and has been for a long time. I was against Iraq, Syria, Libya, I'm against supporting Saudi Arabia, and more... however doing that alone won't magically stop immigration. 

 

Heck this war based "refugee crisis" only exists because the likes of the vile Merkel called for them.

 

Globalization is inevitable as a result of technological progress. The world is a smaller place and there's nothing you or I can do about it.

 

Multiculturalism is hardly a global norm, but it's also a good thing. You know, understanding and tolerating other people. We've been doing it for thousands of years and cultural diffusion has brought the West such wonderful things as gunpowder, soap, and Christianity.

 

Open borders exist pretty much nowhere except in the Schengen area for Europeans, and the USA has some of the most liberal immigration policies on the planet.

 

The nation-state is stronger than ever. Just because you say it doesn't make it true. 200 years ago, most of the "countries" we know of today weren't homogenous "nations" at all - France still isn't, although Marine Le Pen seems to be getting a lot of support recently. I can point to plenty of examples of strong IRL nationalist movements which have been successful in the past few decades. The Zionist movement in Israel, Arab nationalism throughout the Middle East, the various Slavic nationalisms in the states which make up former Yugoslavia. Indian nationalism against the British Raj, and dozens of other independence movements throughout the third world in reaction to colonialism. I could go on and on and on... and that's not even mentioning that, again, Franco, Mussolini, and Hitler all took power in the 1900s. Your persecution complex is just that, as is the conspiracy theory of some weird allegiance between me and, well, you, against "our culture" (lol). I guess all of the stuff I said about the US government undermining the governments of dozens of countries throughout the world is bunk because of your assertion that in actuality none of it ever happened.

 

Point being, if you don't intend to actually address my posts, don't quote them. Thanks.

 

So it's a "conspiracy" but you admit to it? Most of your post is you're either misunderstanding or doing so on purpose to try and get some better hits in.

 

Well lets see. First you know full well I was referring to the west, not the world with Nationalism (also Zionism is an exception and seen as acceptable, Arab Nationalism isn't among others). Secondly World War 2 is as close you can get on a date fascism was relevant, nice. Yeah Franco was a bit after but he wasn't anywhere near as relevant.

 

Same to you. Apparently I think "all of the stuff I said about the US government undermining the governments of dozens of countries throughout the world is bunk because of your assertion that in actuality none of it ever happened". Yes, I who am anti war, isolationist, and criticise and oppose all involvement they try no matter how they mask it... I'm pretending it doesn't exist. I oppose those mentioned right wing governments too, heavily in fact, pretending like I'm some standard right winger won't earn you any points. 

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No. High levels of immigration existed before such wars (at least the ones you're talking about) and would exist even if they hadn't happened with who is currently in charge of Europe and has been for a long time. I was against Iraq, Syria, Libya, I'm against supporting Saudi Arabia, and more... however doing that alone won't magically stop immigration. 

 

Heck this war based "refugee crisis" only exists because the likes of the vile Merkel called for them.

Did I give a implication that it'll solve this problem? No, but would it help? Yes. Of course, I know there's more than one practical solution that needs to be applied.

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Did I give a implication that it'll solve this problem? No, but would it help? Yes. Of course, I know there's more than one practical solution that needs to be applied.

 

It does like I told you solve nothing. I agree with it of course, always have, however many like to pretend it's a magic cure all. That Islam and the people we have here and coming in would all like magically become "better". They won't and with millions present in some countries, you got to do drastic measures to nip it in the budd. The alternative is that scenario I put to you that you didn't answer. What do you think the solution will be then it's at that point? I'll tell you, it'll be death. Whats drastic now will be seen as a soft touch in the future, I'd say to mark my words but I am confident Nationalism will overtake the current insanity and set things right before that point. 

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So it's a "conspiracy" but you admit to it? Most of your post is you're either misunderstanding or doing so on purpose to try and get some better hits in.

 

Well lets see. First you know full well I was referring to the west, not the world with Nationalism (also Zionism is an exception and seen as acceptable, Arab Nationalism isn't among others). Secondly World War 2 is as close you can get on a date fascism was relevant, nice. Yeah Franco was a bit after but he wasn't anywhere near as relevant.

 

Same to you. Apparently I think "all of the stuff I said about the US government undermining the governments of dozens of countries throughout the world is bunk because of your assertion that in actuality none of it ever happened". Yes, I who am anti war, isolationist, and criticise and oppose all involvement they try no matter how they mask it... I'm pretending it doesn't exist. I oppose those mentioned right wing governments too, heavily in fact, pretending like I'm some standard right winger won't earn you any points. 

 

Most of the examples I gave were from the West, actually. I could have added in the Kuomintang in Taiwan. Could also have mentioned Peron in Argentina, or Salazar's military dictatorship in Portugal. Or, of course, the one I mentioned in Brazil, which characteristically suppressed leftists.

 

Arab nationalism is seen as "bad" because it !@#$ with Western economic interests in the area. Nationalism itself is a sort of loaded term in that it sorta refers to a lot of different movements that can be both left or right wing. The majority of world governments recognize the existence of a Palestinian state and support Palestinian nationalism as well, to some degree.

 

What you really seem to be against is laissez-faire capitalism, which is ironically how most of the nationalist movements actually managed to gain their independence - because it's a lot easier to just control things economically from abroad and reap the profits, rather than having to actually administer and invest in the territory yourselves.

 

And I didn't "admit" to anything... I think the idea is ridiculous and don't even know where you got that from. Where communication is genuinely sought, misunderstanding is no crime.

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Most of the examples I gave were from the West, actually. I could have added in the Kuomintang in Taiwan. Could also have mentioned Peron in Argentina, or Salazar's military dictatorship in Portugal. Or, of course, the one I mentioned in Brazil, which characteristically suppressed leftists.

 

Arab nationalism is seen as "bad" because it !@#$ with Western economic interests in the area. Nationalism itself is a sort of loaded term in that it sorta refers to a lot of different movements that can be both left or right wing. The majority of world governments recognize the existence of a Palestinian state and support Palestinian nationalism as well, to some degree.

 

What you really seem to be against is laissez-faire capitalism, which is ironically how most of the nationalist movements actually managed to gain their independence - because it's a lot easier to just control things economically from abroad and reap the profits, rather than having to actually administer and invest in the territory yourselves.

 

And I didn't "admit" to anything... I think the idea is ridiculous and don't even know where you got that from. Where communication is genuinely sought, misunderstanding is no crime.

 

Taiwan is part of the west? I'm talking western Europe.

 

Of course, I agree fully. You say that there about how it can be left or right but you seem to have already condemned us all to being right wingers. Many nationalists are opposed to the same groups you are, not all of us are the caricature from the 1940s. 

 

Well I'm against a lot of things ultimately. Though laissez-faire capitalism obviously isn't anything I support. 

 

Then I will try to explain. I do not of course mean there is an actual on paper alliance, or some unspoken agreement, of course not. The left and the right support many of the same things, for different reasons perhaps, but they support the same elements all the same. I mentioned some of them already, and I am of course completely against them so to me it is having an enemy on the right and an enemy on the left. 

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It's not a derail. It's a conversation on how to stop such things happening. I've provided a solution, others added in some added information, others have called us mean people. A derailment implies that the subject matter being talked about is vastly off topic when it is still very much relevant. 

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Then we should end western imperialism in the middle east, maybe?

 

If we didn't !@#$ up their country and install "democracy", maybe we would never have massive-immigration problems?

Most of the countries in europe havent made a single attack on Syrian land.

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Most of the countries in europe havent made a single attack on Syrian land.

ok just bye just seriously have you heard of Nato, UK, France, Turkey, Russia. 

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ok just bye just seriously have you heard of Nato, UK, France, Turkey, Russia.

 

The target is the daesh's strategic points, the refugees don't live there.

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What drives young men to terror is when they have been oppressed for so long and are done with society that they have no where to turn to but the extremes

Says Muslims are oppressed in Islamic Countries.

Forgets that those countries are ruled by Muslims.

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ok just bye just seriously have you heard of Nato, UK, France, Turkey, Russia. 

Most are striking Isis, except Russia, who are also striking ISIS but helping Assad by dropping White Phosphorus.

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So.. you can't think of a good argument so you just throw pointless memes at me? Typical right-winger.

Well your post was kinda pointless and its not exactly like you make good arguments. 

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