attacks in belgium

[Thalmor]

Why is it "nonsense," I think ISIS thinks there liberating the people from hell, as long as there not acting on their beliefs it is freedom of speech, you could make the same argument wit Christians

1 Samuel 15:3 ESV / 26 helpful votes

Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’â€

 

1 Samuel 15:3 isn't Christian doctrine. That verse is part of a larger story about how God commanded Kind Solomon to go destroy Amalek. King Solomon did not do exactly as he was told- instead, King Solomon took the king of Amalek, Agag, captive, and took the livestock as well (to sacrifice as offerings).

 

It'd be best that you actually do research the context of Biblical verses before you go trying to make a point with it.

 

Furthermore, Christians don't base their faith on the Old Testament that much. Besides some things regarding morality in the Old Testament (murder, stealing, adultery, etc) Christian doctrine comes from the New Testament or from a centralized church that is made up of people who spend their lives meditating on Scripture. For example, although the ancient Israelites were commanded to kill infidels, that does not apply today to Christians. Same thing with a lot of other weird laws from the Old Testament that the Jews were obligated to obey.

 

Sources: Am a Christian that has spent his entire life around religion one way or another, including attending private religious schools since 2nd grade.

Edited March 23, 2016 by Thalmor

[Rozalia]

You want the government to force them to change their ideology because it can be "harmful," phrase it how you want that is what you want

 

Why is it "nonsense," I think ISIS thinks there liberating the people from hell, as long as there not acting on their beliefs it is freedom of speech, you could make the same argument wit Christians

1 Samuel 15:3 ESV / 26 helpful votes

Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’â€

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mexicans have to do with it because THERE THE ONES ON THE !@#$ BOARDER!! WHY DOES IT ALLWAYS HAVE TO BE ALL OR NOTHING!!!! WHY CAN'T WE A INBETWEEN!!!! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Mexico)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a solution for what, your made up problem?

 

Yes you got it in one. Islam is not just a religion, it's political but also you could say a culture. It competes with Nationalism and when allowed to win (because defeating it could be done with ease) it creates a disloyal and hateful person, one who may see fellow Muslims as brothers and sisters (though scum deserving death if they leave Islam) but not his countrymen. I'm of the mind that multiculturalism is insanity, so you destroy people's culture so they adapt your own and then integrate. Islam as it stands competing in that space means it has to be taken down too. Reforming it so they can still follow it is a nice middle ground, I'm not a monster. The alternative is banning it wholesale if you'd prefer that.

 

ISIS think they're liberating people? Source on that? Not anything I've heard before. As for Christians they've largely outgrown such things and I'm not a Christian so it means even less to me. Also people should stop quoting the old testament seriously. For all the talk of ignorance and "educating yourself" such people have little knowledge of Christianity it seems... explains their complete ignorance of Islam I suppose. They can't even understand Christianity so what hope is there for understanding Islam.

 

??? Again what do Mexicans have to do with this? Borders even for America don't just mean the Mexican border, and we're talking mostly about Europe anyway.

 

People just died in Belgium, before that in Turkey and France, before that... so on... so forth... but it's a made up problem. So basically you see no problem... ummm, tell the women being raped in Sweden if there is no problem. Tell the dead (you can't naturally) there is no problem. Tell the poor who have to live in communities with the worst of such people there is no problem. There is no "it'll get better on it's own" in the future, it can only get worse if we do as the Liberals have been doing. 

[K W Jackson]

1 Samuel 15:3 isn't Christian doctrine. That verse is part of a larger story about how God commanded Kind Solomon to go destroy Amalek. King Solomon did not do exactly as he was told- instead, King Solomon took the king of Amalek, Agag, captive, and took the livestock as well (to sacrifice as offerings).

 

It'd be best that you actually do research the context of Biblical verses before you go trying to make a point with it.

 

Furthermore, Christians don't base their faith on the Old Testament that much. Besides some things regarding morality in the Old Testament (murder, stealing, adultery, etc) Christian doctrine comes from the New Testament or from a centralized church that is made up of people who spend their lives meditating on Scripture. For example, although the ancient Israelites were commanded to kill infidels, that does not apply today to Christians. Same thing with a lot of other weird laws from the Old Testament that the Jews were obligated to obey.

 

Sources: Am a Christian that has spent his entire life around religion one way or another, including attending private religious schools since 2nd grade.

It's Irrelevant what he did, it was what your god said

 

so they don't base their faith in more than half your bible? That's where Genesis is, the book that says how the universe was created (according to your religion).

 

 

Yes you got it in one. Islam is not just a religion, it's political but also you could say a culture. It competes with Nationalism and when allowed to win (because defeating it could be done with ease) it creates a disloyal and hateful person, one who may see fellow Muslims as brothers and sisters (though scum deserving death if they leave Islam) but not his countrymen. I'm of the mind that multiculturalism is insanity, so you destroy people's culture so they adapt your own and then integrate. Islam as it stands competing in that space means it has to be taken down too. Reforming it so they can still follow it is a nice middle ground, I'm not a monster. The alternative is banning it wholesale if you'd prefer that.

 

ISIS think they're liberating people? Source on that? Not anything I've heard before. As for Christians they've largely outgrown such things and I'm not a Christian so it means even less to me. Also people should stop quoting the old testament seriously. For all the talk of ignorance and "educating yourself" such people have little knowledge of Christianity it seems... explains their complete ignorance of Islam I suppose. They can't even understand Christianity so what hope is there for understanding Islam.

 

??? Again what do Mexicans have to do with this? Borders even for America don't just mean the Mexican border, and we're talking mostly about Europe anyway.

 

People just died in Belgium, before that in Turkey and France, before that... so on... so forth... but it's a made up problem. So basically you see no problem... ummm, tell the women being raped in Sweden if there is no problem. Tell the dead (you can't naturally) there is no problem. Tell the poor who have to live in communities with the worst of such people there is no problem. There is no "it'll get better on it's own" in the future, it can only get worse if we do as the Liberals have been doing. 

You're still is forcing them to change their beliefs, that is going against their freedom of speech

 

It basic logic they think by converting people they are saving them from hell, just like people who are trying to convert people to any religion, violently or not. Also, people should just stop quoting more than half of the bible?

 

I'm just using this quote "Now obviously we can't do that overseas but we can do it at home. With things at home sorted you merely need strong borders and you can avoid most of the nasties."  quote i inferred you meant the US boarders if you mean the European border i agree we need stronger borders

 

I again thought you meant ISIS coming in from the Mexican-US borders, that was the problem i was the fake problem talking about

Edited March 23, 2016 by K W Jackson

[Rozalia]

You're still is forcing them to change their beliefs, that is going against their freedom of speech

 

It basic logic they think by converting people they are saving them from hell, just like people who are trying to convert people to any religion, violently or not. Also, people should just stop quoting more than half of the bible?

 

I'm just using this quote "Now obviously we can't do that overseas but we can do it at home. With things at home sorted you merely need strong borders and you can avoid most of the nasties."  quote i inferred you meant the US boarders if you mean the European border i agree we need stronger borders

 

I again thought you meant ISIS coming in from the Mexican-US borders, that was the problem i was the fake problem talking about

 

What does it matter really? They want to keep the belief that apostates should be killed. among other such views? Screw 'em. They have no love of freedom so it's no defense for them believe me. 

 

ISIS is not seeking to save anybody, they want to carve out a Caliphate and rule over all Muslims. And yes they should, there is a reason there is a distinction between old and new. You could search it yourself but here is one link on the matter: http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-law.html

Now considering you don't have a basic understanding of Christianity... what understanding can you have of Islam. None I'd say which is very common among those who defend Islam.

 

I was talking about Europe yes, I mean the attacks happened in Europe so it'd be odd to be talking about elsewhere, though strong borders in general is something needed world wide. 

 

I wasn't talking about that no. 

Edited March 23, 2016 by Rozalia

[Odin]

What does it matter really? They want to keep the belief that apostates should be killed. among other such views? Screw 'em. They have no love of freedom so it's no defense for them believe me. 

 

ISIS is not seeking to save anybody, they want to carve out a Caliphate and rule over all Muslims. And yes they should, there is a reason there is a distinction between old and new. You could search it yourself but here is one link on the matter: http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-law.html

Now considering you don't have a basic understanding of Christianity... what understanding can you have of Islam. None I'd say which is very common among those who defend Islam.

 

True that, reminds me of:

[Franz Von Dietrich]

Why can't you all see that the main problem is religion? They all oppress and blind the people, no matter the shape or form. Most religions (popular ones) are founded upon violence and preached violence at one point.

 

Sure, Islam has its problems, but so does everyother religion. Catholicism isn't innocent either, MAINLY when it comes to the reformation (seeing how many of you in this thread are religious wackjobs and ingnorant fools ). We should stop trying to single out one religion, and instead accept that all religions are faulty and have radicialism. 

 

Even Buddhist have bloody terrorist (mainly in tibet).

 

And let's not even bring up the amount of bloody "christian liberation movements" in Africa and Eastern India. 

 

Also no, I'm not a nihilist, but I do not believe in religious morals, only humanist ones. 

 

Stop comparing Christianity to Islam. Especially when you cherry-pick the Old Testament.

I believe I already touched on this.

And why the hell not? Does that prevent the "Army of God" from burning down abortion clinics? Or the "Lord's Army" in Africa from killing many and taking child soldiers? Or even the KKK (White protestants that oppose Catholics) from insulting and attempting to harm many that don't share their dogma?

Edited March 23, 2016 by Comrade Enver Hoxha

[Spite]

And like any thread that has the word islam or muslim in it, this thread has devolved into:

 

1. The anti-islam crew arriving and denouncing islam and muslims, stepping carefully around the boundaries of outright racism

2. The islamo-fascist brigade arrives, stepping carefully around praising murderous scum whilst still hinting overall sympathy

[Clarke]

Doesn't matter they will call you an Islamophobe for even talking about Islam. 

Islam isn't a race either, I will say that level of ignorance is something we should avoid. When someone says Islamophobe its really just telling how stupid they're and they probably have a low IQ. 

Edited March 23, 2016 by Clarke

[Rozalia]

And like any thread that has the word islam or muslim in it, this thread has devolved into:

 

1. The anti-islam crew arriving and denouncing islam and muslims, stepping carefully around the boundaries of outright racism

2. The islamo-fascist brigade arrives, stepping carefully around praising murderous scum whilst still hinting overall sympathy

 

Racism? Islam is not a race, many things but it ain't a race. I've laid out what my solution to the matter is, I don't need to hide anything. 

 

 

Why can't you all see that the main problem is religion? They all oppress and blind the people, no matter the shape or form. Most religions (popular ones) are founded upon violence and preached violence at one point.

 

Sure, Islam has its problems, but so does everyother religion. Catholicism isn't innocent either, MAINLY when it comes to the reformation (seeing how many of you in this thread are religious wackjobs and ingnorant fools ). We should stop trying to single out one religion, and instead accept that all religions are faulty and have radicialism. 

 

Even Buddhist have bloody terrorist (mainly in tibet).

 

And let's not even bring up the amount of bloody "christian liberation movements" in Africa and Eastern India.  

 

If it's hard enough to convince people to want to take action against a vile religion like Islam... what hope is there against religion entirely? Other religions wouldn't need much changes to be brought in line anyway so they're nowhere near what Islam is.  

[Franz Von Dietrich]

 

If it's hard enough to convince people to want to take action against a vile religion like Islam... what hope is there against religion entirely? Other religions wouldn't need much changes to be brought in line anyway so they're nowhere near what Islam is.  

Religion doesn't endorse progressive thinking. I'm not saying nor defending Islam, as its just as bad as the others. The matter I'm trying to inform is how we shouldn't turn a blind eye to other forms of religious terrorism, mainly when it happens very often in Africa, hence why I stated "Lord's Army" in Uganda, or the "Army of God". Even go as far to eastern India. 

 

We should be tackling these hate groups aswell, not blindsighting them because we saw some terrorist attacks by (most likely isis) islamist radicals. 

 

If we're going to take a hard step on Islam, why can't we do the same for all?

[Clarke]

I think Japan is the model country for how to deal with Islam. 

Edited March 23, 2016 by Clarke

[Spite]

Islam isn't a race no but when you talk about "Muslims" you don't mean people who practice islam. It's not like when someone flees a war zone they fill out a form detailing their religious beliefs.

 

I know so many people who are atheists, or even Christians and Hindus that are referred to as muslims because of their skin colour, heritage or name.

 

Anyway I'm not going to get into this - I agree that islam is a religion and there's nothing wrong with criticising it. Just be wary that when you start applying criticism to a huge demographic of people (not just theology) you are one step away from bigotry, however you decide to call it.

 

I see very little difference between the crazy muslim imams and the kind of people who say that Japan is the perfect society because it's ethnically homogeneous.

[Captain_Vietnam]

Islam isn't a race no but when you talk about "Muslims" you don't mean people who practice islam. It's not like when someone flees a war zone they fill out a form detailing their religious beliefs.

 

I know so many people who are atheists, or even Christians and Hindus that are referred to as muslims because of their skin colour, heritage or name.

 

Anyway I'm not going to get into this - I agree that islam is a religion and there's nothing wrong with criticising it. Just be wary that when you start applying criticism to a huge demographic of people (not just theology) you are one step away from bigotry, however you decide to call it.

 

I see very little difference between the crazy muslim imams and the kind of people who say that Japan is the perfect society because it's ethnically homogeneous.

islam is at war with west due to athiests

 

the christian people of europe and america need to get rid of them

 

then islam and Christianity can live in peace 

[Rozalia]

Religion doesn't endorse progressive thinking. I'm not saying nor defending Islam, as its just as bad as the others. The matter I'm trying to inform is how we shouldn't turn a blind eye to other forms of religious terrorism, mainly when it happens very often in Africa, hence why I stated "Lord's Army" in Uganda, or the "Army of God". Even go as far to eastern India. 

 

We should be tackling these hate groups aswell, not blindsighting them because we saw some terrorist attacks by (most likely isis) islamist radicals. 

 

If we're going to take a hard step on Islam, why can't we do the same for all?

 

Lets be clear here on the difference. Such groups to be hit would require intervention, military intervention at that on groups that we've had nothing to do with (and no some nebulous link through colonialism or missionaries giving them the religion doesn't count). ISIS was created by the governments in the west so putting such mad dogs done would be a start on an apology on the matter. 

 

Additionally we're talking about people at home, either trying to enter or already here. Africans in Africa fighting in Africa to carve out a African state aren't relevant to us. 

 

Islam isn't a race no but when you talk about "Muslims" you don't mean people who practice islam. It's not like when someone flees a war zone they fill out a form detailing their religious beliefs.

 

I know so many people who are atheists, or even Christians and Hindus that are referred to as muslims because of their skin colour, heritage or name.

 

Anyway I'm not going to get into this - I agree that islam is a religion and there's nothing wrong with criticising it. Just be wary that when you start applying criticism to a huge demographic of people (not just theology) you are one step away from bigotry, however you decide to call it.

 

I see very little difference between the crazy muslim imams and the kind of people who say that Japan is the perfect society because it's ethnically homogeneous.

 

Well yes I knew (hoped) you were a bit smarter than that and meant the whole "you think all Muslims are Arabs so when you attack Muslims you're actually attacking Arabs because you're a cowardly racist and are too afraid to say Arab". To that I say first you know I am against open borders in a big way, them being Arab or whatever else is completely irrelevant. Secondly many of these Muslims are actually black so the whole "you reject them because they're Arab" falls apart there. 

 

Homogeneity culturally is the correct path. That isn't to say you can't have other ethnic groups, of course you can. However the number must be lower (not in the millions and counting), their culture has to be thrown away, and ghettos should not be allowed to develop. Such people should of course be treated well of course, however correct culture and nationalism must be enforced. Such homogeneity brings about peace, multiculturalism however brings about conflict. 

Edited March 23, 2016 by Rozalia

[Chapsie]

islam is at war with west due to athiests

 

the christian people of europe and america need to get rid of them

 

then islam and Christianity can live in peace 

 

Or humans can live in peace. >.<

[Captain_Vietnam]

Or humans can live in peace. >.<

atheists and homosexuals worship Satan. they need removing 

[Spite]

Lets be clear here on the difference. Such groups to be hit would require intervention, military intervention at that on groups that we've had nothing to do with (and no some nebulous link through colonialism or missionaries giving them the religion doesn't count). ISIS was created by the governments in the west so putting such mad dogs done would be a start on an apology on the matter.

 

Additionally we're talking about people at home, either trying to enter or already here. Africans in Africa fighting in Africa to carve out a African state aren't relevant to us.

 

 

Well yes I knew (hoped) you were a bit smarter than that and meant the whole "you think all Muslims are Arabs so when you attack Muslims you're actually attacking Arabs because you're a cowardly racist and are too afraid to say Arab". To that I say first you know I am against open borders in a big way, them being Arab or whatever else is completely irrelevant. Secondly many of these Muslims are actually black so the whole "you reject them because they're Arab" falls apart there.

 

Homogeneity culturally is the correct path. That isn't to say you can't have other ethnic groups, of course you can. However the number must be lower (not in the millions and counting), their culture has to be thrown away, and ghettos should not be allowed to develop. Such people should of course be treated well of course, however correct culture and nationalism must be enforced. Such homogeneity brings about peace, multiculturalism however brings about conflict.

This isn't how the world works though. All societies through history have been a mix of cultures and ideals and values. From the Sumerians, Assyrians, Persians, ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Franks, Ottomans and up to the present day, societies that have been open to new ideas and cultures have done better than those who have attempted to suppress them.

 

In most cases the arrival of a new culture creates a hybrid which is better than the original. Take the supposedly perfect example of Japan. Whilst still having a strong Japanese identity, their culture has changed enormously over the past three hundred years. So to has China, India, and even large tracts of the middle east.

 

If anything, the world is becoming increasingly Western every day. The very muslims you hate are angry because they feel that their culture is under attack on a global scale. Do you not see the irony that you are yourself an arch traditionalist who believes in cultural homogeneous societies and rooting out all difference - exactly the same as the likes of isis or Saudi Arabia, just the ideology or culture you're fighting for is a different one?

[Franz Von Dietrich]

Lets be clear here on the difference. Such groups to be hit would require intervention, military intervention at that on groups that we've had nothing to do with (and no some nebulous link through colonialism or missionaries giving them the religion doesn't count). ISIS was created by the governments in the west so putting such mad dogs done would be a start on an apology on the matter. 

 

Additionally we're talking about people at home, either trying to enter or already here. Africans in Africa fighting in Africa to carve out a African state aren't relevant to us. 

 

I agree with you on ISIS, mainly because we removed Saddam Hussein who actually kept ordered in the region (Iraq).

 

But to move on, if we're going to talk about people being terrorized on the homefront (mainly western world). You literally have no idea how many Christian Milita's we have in America, and no, I'm not just referencing to the "KKK". http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/christian-terrorism_b_8685138.html http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/12/04/3599271/austin-shooter-christian-extremism/.

 

And seeing how you're Brittish, let's step aside to over the ol'good UK. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/10/uk-terrorism-stats-97-are-muslim-majority-of-domestic-extremists-are-christian/Of course, there's going to be a good amount of Muslim radicals, but; according to this report christian radicals also make up a LARGE majority.

[Franz Von Dietrich]

Because the entire New Testament is focused on forgiveness, tolerance, and the removal of sin?

You're not understanding my point, regardless of new rules being written down, it doesn't counter the fact that christian terrorism exist. Majority of these organizations that exist in the name of "Jesus" or "God" do what they see as holy and will continue for their "salvation". Furthermore, you don't seem to understand that not all christian religious sects follow the "New Testament", as they don't find it in accordance to "God". 

Edited March 23, 2016 by Comrade Enver Hoxha

[Captain_Vietnam]

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[Franz Von Dietrich]

Those are called "cults"

And if you don't follow the New Testament then you aren't a Christian. I hope you realize.

My friend all religions are cults.

 

"cult

a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object."

 

[Franz Von Dietrich]

"Religion is a cultural system of behaviors and practices, mythologies, world views, sacred texts, holy places, ethics, and societal organisation that relate humanity to what an anthropologist has called 'an order of existence'."

Is God not a figure of faith? It really doesn't matter how you answer this one, as this one is based upon ones perspective and thought on the subject.

Edited March 23, 2016 by Comrade Enver Hoxha

[Captain_Vietnam]

"Religion is a cultural system of behaviors and practices, mythologies, world views, sacred texts, holy places, ethics, and societal organisation that relate humanity to what an anthropologist has called 'an order of existence'."

the only cult is atheism. atheists are a massive cult who believe world came from nothing. they are spawns on satan 

[Franz Von Dietrich]

I love how this thread turned into a massive derailment  .

[Rozalia]

This isn't how the world works though. All societies through history have been a mix of cultures and ideals and values. From the Sumerians, Assyrians, Persians, ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Franks, Ottomans and up to the present day, societies that have been open to new ideas and cultures have done better than those who have attempted to suppress them.

 

In most cases the arrival of a new culture creates a hybrid which is better than the original. Take the supposedly perfect example of Japan. Whilst still having a strong Japanese identity, their culture has changed enormously over the past three hundred years. So to has China, India, and even large tracts of the middle east.

 

If anything, the world is becoming increasingly Western every day. The very muslims you hate are angry because they feel that their culture is under attack on a global scale. Do you not see the irony that you are yourself an arch traditionalist who believes in cultural homogeneous societies and rooting out all difference - exactly the same as the likes of isis or Saudi Arabia, just the ideology or culture you're fighting for is a different one?

 

Such an argument means nothing. I am also told that today everything is global and we must accept open borders, we must accept political correctness, we must accept this and all... but we don't have to. The world wasn't like that before and it changed... it can change again.

 

Really now? Yes there have been some changes due to the increased technology allowing them to create some niches not possible in the past. The big one is of course the pacifism enforced on them since WW2.

Before that Japan used to be totally closed off and militaristic. When they became "open" they were still very closed off and were still militararistic, the difference being of course they were now far more technologically advanced. 

 

I get your point however I do not seek to attack them. If they want to defend Islam in the middle east from western influences... thats fine, I'm not an interventionist nor do I seek to force culture on people in foreign lands so I'd say they are free to be as inward looking as they want. However at the same time I oppose their attacks on ourselves, on our culture, on our identity... most can't help it of course, they're ignorant that they're played like pawns by the elite who seek the weakening of national identities, cheaper wages, and such. With cultural homogeneity we can live in peace with each other, with the current state of things only conflict will arise. 

 

 

I agree with you on ISIS, mainly because we removed Saddam Hussein who actually kept ordered in the region (Iraq).

 

But to move on, if we're going to talk about people being terrorized on the homefront (mainly western world). You literally have no idea how many Christian Milita's we have in America, and no, I'm not just referencing to the "KKK". http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/christian-terrorism_b_8685138.html http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/12/04/3599271/austin-shooter-christian-extremism/.

 

And seeing how you're Brittish, let's step aside to over the ol'good UK. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/10/uk-terrorism-stats-97-are-muslim-majority-of-domestic-extremists-are-christian/Of course, there's going to be a good amount of Muslim radicals, but; according to this report christian radicals also make up a LARGE majority.

 

The new statistics may raise concerns that white, Christians are being targeted for their activism in opposing radical Islam, or indeed for criticising same-sex marriage legislation.

 

You've read the article completely wrong. It says 97% of terrorists are Muslim. The Christians arrested were done so due to "counter terrorism" laws due to their opposing of radical Islam and such things as criticising same-sex marriage. I think you should check things a bit more to avoid shooting your foot. 

 

You're not understanding my point, regardless of new rules being written down, it doesn't counter the fact that christian terrorism exist. Majority of these organizations that exist in the name of "Jesus" or "God" do what they see as holy and will continue for their "salvation". Furthermore, you don't seem to understand that not all christian religious sects follow the "New Testament", as they don't find it in accordance to "God". 

 

Stop with the distraction please. The scale of difference of such things is vast but even more importantly Islam is a culture, a hostile culture at that, that instills very bad things in people. They do not support their country, they have no loyalty for their country and people with God and Islam standing above everything. They kill their brothers and sisters but to them they were never related for they do not belong to their country, they belong instead to Islam. 

Edited March 23, 2016 by Rozalia