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So you want a new hegemon to defeat an old hegemon? If so, what's the purpose anyway?

No that is quite contrary to my ideas. I am in strong favour of a balance of power, where no single entity/sphere can claim hegemoney over its counterparts. It would be akin to applying the principles behind the Congress of Vienna, but in a more global context beyond Europe (the United States being the modern counterpart to the First French Empire, etc.). The final effect of the 1815 Congress was to create effective checks for all the concerned world powers to ensure that none would become the next hegemon.

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The United States of America is a great example of how well capitalism works! Just kill off those who don't agree with you while oppressing the very people you supposedly liberated!

Or maybe Somalia? They seem to be doing quite well, what with having one of the most corrupt governments in the world, child slavery, laughably low average incomes and piracy.

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You mean like Denmark? The country currently seeing a strange rise in right-wing parties due to the flood of completely peaceful immigrants? Or how about them having the highest tax rate in the world, as well as the highest cancer rate and the average working hours being 26 a week.

Or how about Sweden? The country that opened its arms to equality at the expense of it's national security and general safety.

(Let's remind each other that these are small nations, with populations a fraction the size of the United States)

Oh oh oh! I know! The Soviet Socialist Republic is a great example of how well socialism works! Just kill off those who don't agree with you while oppressing the very people you supposedly liberated!

Or maybe Vietnam? They seem to be doing quite well, what with having one of the most corrupt governments in the world, child slavery, and laughably low average incomes.

Please. The European countries aren't even fully socialist, to be so would be idiotic. You can't pretend that Humans aren't greedy, that they won't want power.

That's why we're here today, because of the thirst for power and information. If you get the same about of stuff that a working person does by not working, why would you work?

Oh how wrong you are.

 

China are revisionist pigs who have succumb to free market reforms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform. Which! has resulted in low wages for workers who work for the factories, employed by companies in-sourced out of America. Who feeds modern day slavery and corruption? Oh! That's right! Capitalism and Corporatism.  http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/video/2013/sep/19/china-child-slaves-video

 

And Vietnam? You're kidding aren't you, right? http://www.ngocentre.org.vn/webfm_send/20. Ironically, some of the most corrupt countries in the world were ones "liberated" by the west i.e Iraq, Afghanistan and Chile. Chile is a even more funny case, seeing how the CIA overthrew a democratically elected left-winged government. https://web.archive.org/web/20070612225422/https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/chile/index.html

 

Who has the highest income equality in the world? Capitalistic states such as China and America. I don't pretend Humans aren't greedy, I do agree that Humans are greedy, otherwise Communism would be working. We shouldn't just say "you know what humans are greedy cant help them" that type of attitude is what makes us devolve and not progress into the future. 

 

And ONCE again, you're attempting to use ad hominem and put words into my mouth, I NEVER stated the USSR was a pure "socialist state". The USSR adopted state capitalism to further its goals.https://www.marxists.org/archive/brinton/1970/workers-control/02.htm

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You mean like Denmark? The country currently seeing a strange rise in right-wing parties due to the flood of completely peaceful immigrants? Or how about them having the highest tax rate in the world, as well as the highest cancer rate and the average working hours being 26 a week.

Or how about Sweden? The country that opened its arms to equality at the expense of it's national security and general safety.

(Let's remind each other that these are small nations, with populations a fraction the size of the United States)

Oh oh oh! I know! The Soviet Socialist Republic is a great example of how well socialism works! Just kill off those who don't agree with you while oppressing the very people you supposedly liberated!

Or maybe Vietnam? They seem to be doing quite well, what with having one of the most corrupt governments in the world, child slavery, and laughably low average incomes.

Please. The European countries aren't even fully socialist, to be so would be idiotic. You can't pretend that Humans aren't greedy, that they won't want power.

That's why we're here today, because of the thirst for power and information. If you get the same about of stuff that a working person does by not working, why would you work?

 

Damn son, way to be completely and utterly biased. As someone who actually lives in Scandinavia, someone who has personal real life experience from the Nordic countries you mentioned and as someone who has undergone extensive education regarding the Nordic countries, I can tell you your view of these countries and where they stand on the political spectrum is skewed to the point where it's close to ridiculous, which you'd be aware of if you'd open some books every now and then. I'll give you a tip to get you started: the thing about "right-wing" parties in Nordic countries is that they're not actually all that right-wing when put in comparison to right-wing movements elsewhere.

 

So why don't you go read some, come back, and when making a post about a serious topic in the future, try to elevate yourself from your usual mediocre shitposting. Or don't, I guess you would be more amusing if you stuck to your regular niche.

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I don't blame them, the American imperialists have basically had the Democratic People's Republic of Korea under blockade for years now, they are just retaliating in the only ways they can. DRPK ships are now being seized and confiscated in foreign ports, which is blatantly against international law but it's happening because America says so. The only thing the DPRK has ever wanted was a peace treaty with the US/South Korea to formally end the war so the DPRK can begin demobilizing large parts of it's military to fill the labor shortages in industry. The US has REJECTED the offer of a peace treaty time and time again, why? Well whatever they say the real reason is that the US don't want a treaty binding them because they hope for a situation in the future where they can invade and occupy the DPRK and force it to join the American-occupied capitalist puppet state of South Korea.

 

The DPRK's ballistic missile and nuclear program was all designed to force the US to agree to a binding peace treaty, in diplomatic circles it's well know that the DPRK doesn't want to permanently have nuclear arms, it's just a way to give themselves some diplomatic leverage for the peace treaty, the US can say "Get rid of your nukes" and the DPRK can say "If you agree to a peace treaty", the answer the US gave is "No, we'll just keep sanctioning to try and force you to collapse and be annexed by South Korea".

 

The real enemy is as always the Capitalist-Imperialist States of America.

No, I beg to differ (even though the argument was flawless).

i like how capitalists see their countries slowly fall apart while strong asian countiries like north korea rise

 

america:

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economy of north korea increase:

 

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Trade is different from debt.

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I know a guy personally who escaped a prison camp in the DPRK. He escaped to Canada and did a lot of talks, and stayed in Nova Scotia. He was a part of a team at Dalhousie University (my school), to bring awareness to these camps.

 

Shit is !@#$ed in there, US pressured sanctions, or not. But to be fair, the only real coverage we get is straight out of mass media, not much real info comes out.

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I'll not get into the fight here regarding North Korea itself. I can respect wanting to stand up against foreign power however I feel the Kim family rules with no real benevolence and a lot of their acts of cruelty are not simply cruel but completely unnecessary.

 

What I will say is that 15 years for that level of crime is unjust. The man is an idiot for trying to steal what would be a "trophy" for 10,000 dollars that much is true. A single year alone would be in essence a life time of punishment for the young man. 

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North Korea is pretty shit but it isn't actually as bad as people make it out to be.

 

Really interesting video about Best Korea, highly recommended you watch it. Or don't, that's fine too. Some people think lizard people rule the world, you don't watch really interesting videos about NK because you like bathing in your own ignorance, not gonna criticize anyone's life choices here.

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And Vietnam? You're kidding aren't you, right?

Vietnamese here, he's right. Minus the slavery part anyway, more of a "child abuse".

 

Don't know about the rest of the world but here corruption is so rampant and obvious you can even broadcast it on television or upload on the internet and no one would bat an eye since it happens like every week of the year.

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Vietnamese here, he's right. Minus the slavery part anyway, more of a "child abuse".

 

Don't know about the rest of the world but here corruption is so rampant and obvious you can even broadcast it on television or upload on the internet and no one would bat an eye since it happens like every week of the year.

 

Same in the philippines according to my friend. You can give a policeman as little as ~50$ depending on their mood, and you can get away with murder. Source: 2 filipino friends. :P

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Vietnam is definitely a very corrupt place, but they're not actually particularly Socialist either, regardless of what they masquerade as. If I had to put them in a box I'd call them corrupt state capitalists.

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The real question is why doesn't the US want a permanent peace in Korea. The answer is that they want to dominate the entire peninsula, not just the southern half. The US has been hostile to the DRPK since the second it was formed.

We want things just the way they are, because it highlights the failure of anti-capitalism. A shitty Nk is good for propaganda.

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I don't blame them, the American imperialists have basically had the Democratic People's Republic of Korea under blockade for years now, they are just retaliating in the only ways they can. DRPK ships are now being seized and confiscated in foreign ports, which is blatantly against international law but it's happening because America says so. The only thing the DPRK has ever wanted was a peace treaty with the US/South Korea to formally end the war so the DPRK can begin demobilizing large parts of it's military to fill the labor shortages in industry. The US has REJECTED the offer of a peace treaty time and time again, why? Well whatever they say the real reason is that the US don't want a treaty binding them because they hope for a situation in the future where they can invade and occupy the DPRK and force it to join the American-occupied capitalist puppet state of South Korea.

 

The DPRK's ballistic missile and nuclear program was all designed to force the US to agree to a binding peace treaty, in diplomatic circles it's well know that the DPRK doesn't want to permanently have nuclear arms, it's just a way to give themselves some diplomatic leverage for the peace treaty, the US can say "Get rid of your nukes" and the DPRK can say "If you agree to a peace treaty", the answer the US gave is "No, we'll just keep sanctioning to try and force you to collapse and be annexed by South Korea".

 

The real enemy is as always the Capitalist-Imperialist States of America.

What a load of bullshit. 

DPRK doesn't want a peace treaty. They want the Korean peninsula, just like the South. According to the lead negotiator in the DPRK nuclear negotiations, North Korea intends to have permanent nukes. Also, no nation anywhere is interested in seeing North Korea collapse. There would be no benefit to anyone if that happened. 

 

It's a hellhole of exploitation where only the rich have a good life, while the average woman is forced to prostitute themselves to US Marines.

 

 

North Korea is a hellhole of exploitation where only those who choose not to think live good lives and the average person spends their days farming dirt and playing KGB hide and seek for a chance to watch a DVD movie. But yeah man, South Korea, one of the most advanced nations on earth, is so much more terrible. I mean, why would anyone want modern living standards?

A person living on the street in S Korea is probably better off than a person living in a house in N Korea.

But I see your argument here. Nothing screams a great nation quite like 15 years hard labor for touching a cheap ass banner. 

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Same in the philippines according to my friend. You can give a policeman as little as ~50$ depending on their mood, and you can get away with murder. Source: 2 filipino friends. :P

As a Filipino, I can (sadly) confirm.

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Vietnam is definitely a very corrupt place, but they're not actually particularly Socialist either, regardless of what they masquerade as. If I had to put them in a box I'd call them corrupt state capitalists.

To be honest I don't blame them much, they needed the money, it was easier for the USSR to "go it alone" because they had huge territory and every resource imaginable. After the Vietnam War the country was basically completely destroyed, they had little to no industry and none of the educated technical strata required to run a modern state (everything from running power plants to sewerage treatment), they had a large well-equipped and very experienced army, but that wasn't any help to them anymore.

 

What was worse was that shortly after the War the Cambodians started cross-border raids into Vietnam, slaughtering thousands of Vietnamese villagers. Vietnam responded to this by sending their forces into Cambodia and easily knocking off Pol Pot's regime (you won't hear often that it was the Vietnamese communists who actually ended the genocidal Khmer Rouge, and it was the West and Americans who supported Pol Pot and his supporters against the Vietnamese).

 

China, Pol Pot's ally responded by invading Vietnam and massacring a whole lot of Vietnamese before withdrawing.

 

The Vietnamese anti-imperialist struggle (which comprises wars against the Japanese/French/Americans/Southern Traitors/Khmer Rouge/China) has to go down into history as one of the most heroic and valorous struggles of human history. I don't mention socialism because frankly the Vietnam War wasn't about that, it was about securing national independence.

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To be honest I don't blame them much, they needed the money, it was easier for the USSR to "go it alone" because they had huge territory and every resource imaginable. After the Vietnam War the country was basically completely destroyed, they had little to no industry and none of the educated technical strata required to run a modern state (everything from running power plants to sewerage treatment), they had a large well-equipped and very experienced army, but that wasn't any help to them anymore.

 

What was worse was that shortly after the War the Cambodians started cross-border raids into Vietnam, slaughtering thousands of Vietnamese villagers. Vietnam responded to this by sending their forces into Cambodia and easily knocking off Pol Pot's regime (you won't hear often that it was the Vietnamese communists who actually ended the genocidal Khmer Rouge, and it was the West and Americans who supported Pol Pot and his supporters against the Vietnamese).

 

China, Pol Pot's ally responded by invading Vietnam and massacring a whole lot of Vietnamese before withdrawing.

 

The Vietnamese anti-imperialist struggle (which comprises wars against the Japanese/French/Americans/Southern Traitors/Khmer Rouge/China) has to go down into history as one of the most heroic and valorous struggles of human history. I don't mention socialism because frankly the Vietnam War wasn't about that, it was about securing national independence.

 

While I appreciate the history lesson I was referring to modern day Vietnam in its current state. Regardless of what their history consists of it doesn't absolve them of their current crimes against their own people.

 

Every country in the world needs money, Vietnam is no different. While I'm a firm believer in the usefulness of state capitalism, there's no excuse for corruption. Corruption aids the corrupt few, it doesn't contribute to the wealth of the country, it concentrates wealth on the few who are able to manipulate the country's governing system to their advantage. By all means, don't blame them for needing money, but do blame them for being corrupt.

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